Are players ever justified in being happy a manager is gone?

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If so, when?
Should they show this on social media?

Seeing Sancho and de Gea tweet cryptic messages alluding to ten Hag's departure seems sad as they are/were on 9 figure weekly salaries and didn't justify their employment at United.
 
Are you allowed to be smugly content if you have a shitty boss that gets fired?

I think so.
 
I can't see any reason why any French player wouldn't have been dancing a jig when Domenech got fired.
 
Case by case

On extreme case (Moyes) it's justified. But i still feel the old guards are treating him unfairly with all the leaks and the mockery. It creates an example for the youngster

Like it or not as long as the manager is in charge the default position should be respect his authority. LVG, Jose, Ole and now ETH for all their fault is clearly being hung to dry nearing the end. No fight, no guts, not bother trying
 
If so, when?
Should they show this on social media?

Seeing Sancho and de Gea tweet cryptic messages alluding to ten Hag's departure seems sad as they are/were on 9 figure weekly salaries and didn't justify their employment at United.
De Gea was player of the year on more than one occasion. He had a bad year and made some howlers. Onana had some howlers too in his first season he cost us points in the league and champions league.
 
Sancho has no right, he was a useless flop who just sulked and played FIFA. He thinks he's an actual superstar, didn't even attend the thing last night because he knew he wasn't winning the Balloon Door. Little drama queen.
 
The Sancho post on IG was fake.

The De gea tweet shows what a toxic entity he was and shows that we need to get rid of those type of players, i.e. Rashford, Shaw, possibly Fernandes, Antony, Amad & Garnacho have been prone in past 12 months to social media nonsense.

You don't hear any of this crap at Man City or Liverpool.
 
I think anyone in any industry or field is gonna be privately elated if your shitty useless boss finally gets fired.

Chuckle over this on your group messaging amongst like-minded colleagues all you want, but to openly share your joy on social media for the world to see comes across as trashy.
 
It’s petty to post about it on social media, especially if you’re a celebrity with millions of followers. But of course it’s normal and can be justified in feeling happy about it.
 
Yes. I've worked with senior figures who were weird and unable to get across their ideas. It can be brilliant to see the back of them.
 
Yeah of course. You can't police peoples emotions. Doing it publicly is another matter and basically never looks good. Which is kind of funny seeing as publicly firing an employee and giving them a kick on the way out is often seen favourably.
I haven't really thought through why i think it looks bad, its more instinctive.
 
Yes.

Players have way more investment in how the football club does than fans. We just watch from afar. This is their livelihood. Their career. Their legacy. And most importantly, it's their boss that they deal with on a day to day basis.

They have far more license to be happy than we do as fans.
 
Would you feel justified in being glad a shit boss was sacked at your place of work? It's no different
 
Yeah of course.

I remember when Aston Villa or whoever Curtis Davis was playing for at the time commented that hopefully he will get a better chance now. The soccer Saturday crowd were up in arms even though it was a perfectly fine response
 
Of course it’s justified to want your manager to leave. Plenty of us have worked with useless bastards who we’d happily see the back of, so why should that be different for footballers?

Posting on social media is pathetic, though. De Gea and Sancho, both of whom are absolutely shite, displaying exactly why they were right to be binned to begin with.
 
Yes, of course. The managers aren't infallible benevolent Gods, in fact, they can be both incompetent and toxic at the same time.

What must not happen is for the players to not give 100% cause they want the manager gone, if they do that, they should be binned ASAP.
 
One thing to be happy about it which in some circumstances would just be natural, but another to put it on social media, which just makes you look like a petty child.

Making it "cryptic" just makes you also look like a coward.

De Gea had a right to be aggrieved at the way his contract situation was handled given he gave most of his career to the club, but it has bugger all to do with Ten Hag being sacked. I don't care about Sancho.
 
Completely fair if it's a crap manager who's also a bit of a dick, generally find the cryptic social media messages a bit much though even if they provide good drama.
 
It's a bad look for players to be piping up because Ten Hag being useless doesn't excuse how dreadful their performances have been.

For example just because Ten Hag has gone doesn't mean he was wrong to give De Gea the boot. The guy was awful for a few years prior. Making snide remarks now doesn't change that.
 
It's a bad look for players to be piping up because Ten Hag being useless doesn't excuse how dreadful their performances have been.

For example just because Ten Hag has gone doesn't mean he was wrong to give De Gea the boot. The guy was awful for a few years prior. Making snide remarks now doesn't change that.

Goalkeepers have the least room to be happy a manager is gone if their personal form is poor thinking about.

Outfield players can be rubbish due to a bad tactical setup. That will often result in a goalkeeping being busier. He can still save the shots he should save and maybe look good by saving some of the ones you wouldn't expect him to. From an individual performance point of view he's less affected by a bad setup.

He can of course be unhappy that he's on a team that is set up poorly as it means they're less likely to win stuff. No goalkeeper wants to be overly busy if they have ambitions to win trophies. Still, he's a little bit more responsible for his own performance than players in other postions are. He doesn't have the excuse of a forward not scoring goals because a manager was telling him to make ill-advised runs into the wrong area etc.
 
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I always remember people cheering when Shaw made his comment about Jose- "I knew i'd outlast him"- and I just thought that was ridiculously unprofessional from him. Instead of fighting to change the manager's mind like Matic did at one point in his career, you're basically waiting for him to get the sack? Same with Pogba's 'he fecked with the wrong baller' quote, it just doesn't sit right.

In fairness, we as fans don't know specific player/manager relationships and if it's a horribly unfair or bullying manager then I guess it would be reasonable but if you deliberately underperform or are too thin-skinned to accept a bit of mild criticism (see Sancho's meltdown over what were extremely mild comments) then I tend to think player power can get way out of hand.
 
A group of players that won't fail their manager just because he's bad.
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

I was just thinking (and maybe this is too simplistic) that a manager is sacked for poor results - results which are ultimately delivered by the players. So if results are bad enough to warrant sacking a manager surely that means the players haven’t been performing. In that case can under performance really be the sole fault of the manager? Can players be playing at full capacity of their talents and still not succeeding?

I tend to think that poor results are a mix of blame for all involved parties.
 
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

I was just thinking (and maybe this is too simplistic) that a manager is sacked for poor results - results which are ultimately delivered by the players. So if results are bad enough to warrant sacking a manager surely that means the players haven’t been performing. In that case can under performance really be the sole fault of the manager? Can players be playing at full capacity of their talents and still not succeeding?

I tend to think that poor results are a mix of blame for all involved parties.

Lots of things going on and it's hard to pin down exactly I'd say.

Players could be performing their manager's instructions perfectly well but still getting bad results if those instructions are badly thought out. They might just be bad tactics that don't work. Or they might be tactics that would work well but only with a different set of players, not playing to their strengths, asking them to do things they're no good at etc. There's degrees within that too, some managers allowing more individual decision making, some wanting everyone to stick to a rigid gameplan.

If you give more freedom and they play bad in the situations where they have that freedom you might say that's players' fault. You could also say it's the manager's for giving that freedom when they may have thrived with very specific instructions. Would imagine some players perform better when they're allowed to think for themselves a bit more, others needing to be told exactly what to do at all times.

Communication comes into it. They might have a good plan but be rubbish at explaining it and drilling it in training leaving everyone confused and unclear as to what they're supposed to be doing in certain moments. Other times players might just go rogue, or be stupid, forgetting what they should be doing / who they should be marking / what kind of runs they should be making even if observers would think the manager explained it well.

Some players are just idiots which may in turn bring the question why they were signed and how much of a role the manager had in bringing them to the club. As we know, different managers have different amounts of influence when it comes to transfers.

Motivation a bit of a contentious one. Could be uninspiring with players not being up for it but the counter to that is that a player should be able to motivate himself.
 
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I think they were justified with Jose. Well, some of them anyway.

Mainly due to his habit of deflecting all blame from himself and throwing the players under the bus.

Not to say that some of them didn't deserve it, mind.
 
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A group of players that won't fail their manager just because he's bad.

That's why I believe in the old way established by Matt Busby and carried on by Fergie. Get in a good solid core of kids from the academy and build a tea, around them. Liverpool did it back in the day, Celtic did it under Jock Stein. A strong cadre of local kids, brought up in the traditions of the club from a young age. We've seen the results before and the system works.
 
Many (most?) people in this forum believe that Moyes was the worst manager ever to steer the United-ship.
Maybe. But look at what ££ he got to juggle with, vs what the rest got.
 
Players like Sancho, Amad etc who has gone to social media doesnt have the mentality for a top club. You never see it from City or Liverpool. We will never be successfull with those type of players in the team, regardless of the manager
 
Players like Sancho, Amad etc who has gone to social media doesnt have the mentality for a top club. You never see it from City or Liverpool. We will never be successfull with those type of players in the team, regardless of the manager
What did Amad say?
 
Don't know what the discussion is all about. These individuals were shown a mirror to their faces which hurt their ego. Now they want to have their moment of fun - let them have it.

Does it mean that these guys are deluded and least interested in improving their careers? Does it mean that they want to massage their ego by being bitter on social media? Yes, it does. Most humans are like that and footballers are no different. We can't expect better from them just because they get paid more than mere mortals like us.

Do I want players with that attitude in the team? Hell no. There is a reason why they are not a the club anymore. There is a saying in my native Hindi (Translated to English) - You can't clap with one hand, it takes two.