Yeah, I don't buy that at all.That would be quite a bad deal to make on Mourinho's part unless his ego made him think there's no way he'd be outside the top 6 with Kane & Son.
Yeah, I don't buy that at all.That would be quite a bad deal to make on Mourinho's part unless his ego made him think there's no way he'd be outside the top 6 with Kane & Son.
I feel there must be more to that. Like what if they started next season and because everyone else plays a game but Spurs don’t they’re in the bottom half by default. Would that allow Levy to just pay minimal amounts? How far through a league would that come into effect. If Jose had Kane, Son and Lloris out for half a season and was 5 points behind 4th he’d be absolutely screwed over for something that wasn’t his fault yet he was performing above expectations. Surely this could only come into fruition after the league is done.Tweet
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As do Spurs ok not quite the same number as Chelsea but in the RA era Spurs are now into double figuresTo be fair, Chelsea have a pretty high turn over of managers.
You forgot to add that they have to repay HM Government a small matter of £175 million in the next 5 weeks- Big stadium to pay for.
- No match day revenue.
- No NFL or planned events.
- No manager and having to pay out Jose.
- Potentially no top 4 with no European football.
- Massive investment needed in the squad.
- Son and Kane wobbling about staying on.
- Failed Bale experiment which had cost a fortune.
It seems Spurs really needed the ESL as much as any of the Spanish and Italian clubs, if not more.
Where do they go from here?
It wasn't a purple patch when you consider where the club was 20 years ago or what has happened to what many would have considered our competitors even 10 years ago. There's been generally consistent improvement since they arrived.They went through a purple patch and now the party’s over. They’re just as shite as the rest of us in that department.
In fairness you wouldnt expect them to be I guess.That would be quite a bad deal to make on Mourinho's part unless his ego made him think there's no way he'd be outside the top 6 with Kane & Son.
I wasn't meaning it in a bad way, just that its hard to not be linked with a manager who has managed Chelsea.As do Spurs ok not quite the same number as Chelsea but in the RA era Spurs are now into double figures
Sure, even before the season started i thought they would be in the top 6 unless something very weird happened (hey West Ham )In fairness you wouldnt expect them to be I guess.
They probably shouldnt be really but then they cant defend a lead for love nor money.
I wouldn’t say you’re a badly run club per se, just that you’re the same as everyone else who’s similar in terms of club stature. People on here generally equate playing well on the pitch with being a well run club, which is by no means always the case. You had a decent manager, made some decent transfers and academy promotions, and enjoyed relative success off the back of it. It’s mainly a reflection on us, because we really have been terribly run in the past.It wasn't a purple patch when you consider where the club was 20 years ago or what has happened to what many would have considered our competitors even 10 years ago. There's been generally consistent improvement since they arrived.
I've got a lot of criticism for Levy but the reality is that a club like Spurs were never going to make the step up without improving the infrastructure, which is what they've been trying to do. As much as I Loved WHL, it was a tiny shithole.
Covid could not have come at a worse time for the club though, when the business plan was essentially to have massively increased stadium income and not just from football either.
From the outside, seems like we're pretty fecked at the moment.
Then again, I thought we were pretty fecked after we lost out on top 4 to Arsenal on the last day, when Chelsea won the CL, when Jol was fired, when we hsd 2 points from 8 games, the end of AVB, sling Berbatov and Keane in tjr same window, selling Bale, selling Modric.
Ive been wrong every time so we'll see.
i’ve got a bit more time on my hands now after resigning at the end of the year.
Wonder what would happen if they defaulted on the loans.......Arsenal also took that Goverment loan (120M compared to their 175M) that needs to be repaid in May. Not sure Boris will be in a mood to grant us extensions
That's the problem - even if they get £130 million for Kane - they can't replace that quality with that Money - not even closeThey need to sell Son and Kane for big money and spend wisely. Much easier said than done of course.
When they sold Bale they wasted that money on absolute tat.They need to sell Son and Kane for big money and spend wisely. Much easier said than done of course.
I am surprised to see how much debt they have. I somehow recalled they didn’t have much debt.
I don’t think their squad problems are as bad as Arsenal but on the other hand, Arsenal have a talented group of youth coming through. Can’t decide who is in deeper.
I don’t really think Boris is actually annoyed with the European Super League clubs. It’s just good PR for him to pretend to give a feck.Not sure Boris will be in a mood to grant us extensions
The question is how do you add the quality you need, and retain the quality you have, with a very tight transfer and wage budget? And no European pull?PS on my above post.
I took a look at their squad. It’s not bad. Their front 2 are top quality and Moura is ok. They could use another good forward or striker.
Midfield has potential and good depth.
Full backs are fine.
Need a couple of good CBs.
Can sell Ali, not extend Bale’s loan and sell few fringe players.
Tottenham Supers - sounds more franchise to meI’m going to call them Super League Spurs from now on.
Just for their random inclusion in it.
*MoneyThey never have theabilityto target a manager like Conte.
Mourinho was a decade too late.
Joe Lewis is a billionaire. He bought the majority stakeholding off Alan Sugar in 2001.Always fun to laugh at Spurs, but it’s a bit sad if they’re really in a bad way. Or at least it’s a grim reflection of the problems in football. They’ve generally tried to do things the right way in breaking into the Big Four and turning it into six along with City. They didn’t get a billionaire takeover, they bought and sold quite wisely, invested in a great new stadium, etc. But despite all that, a couple of bad moves and a pandemic has them desperate for the SuperLeague bailout, without which things are now looking very uncertain for them.
Who wouldn’t want a billionaire takeover looking at Spurs?
Absolutely bafflingI’m still amazed they sacked Poch.
Very detailed post. Guess the owners will have to put capital in for them to go anywhere, or sell up to someone who can?The short answer is yes. 19/20 figures:
Effectively spending is going up rapidly (wages, transfers, interest), whilst turnover is going down rapidly.
- Turnover down £461m to £392m
- EBITDA down from £168m down to £106m
- This includes £61m Champions League revenue (very uncertain over the next few years)
- This includes £95m match day revenue (will reduce massively 20/21 and is still uncertain for 21/22)
- Cost to service debt has increased from £11m to £25m to £43m
- Net debt increased to £605m (largest in the world)
- Net transfer debt increased £114m (4th highest in the world), meaning total net debt is £719m
- Wages are increasing faster than at any other top 6 club in recent years (81% in 4 years, albeit from a lower base)
They need to put a sharp halt to their increasing costs; whilst at the same time praying stadiums open 100% next season, hoping in a Covid environment they will get a naming rights deal they couldn't achieve in a non-Covid world and ensuring they regularly finish in the CL (difficult with City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester and United all looking far better at the moment and the likes of Arsenal, West Ham, Everton all hoping to usurp them as well).
With Levy's record hiring managers I'd be worried as a Spurs fan. Seven poor managers, one average manager and one good manager in 20 years; the only good manager being fortunate as it was his second choice after being rejected by the awful Van Gaal.
Spurs mate literally was for the ESL because of this. Sad times- Big stadium to pay for.
- No match day revenue.
- No NFL or planned events.
- No manager and having to pay out Jose.
- Potentially no top 4 with no European football.
- Massive investment needed in the squad.
- Son and Kane wobbling about staying on.
- Failed Bale experiment which had cost a fortune.
It seems Spurs really needed the ESL as much as any of the Spanish and Italian clubs, if not more.
Where do they go from here?
Sadly he has never put any of his billions in, he has "loaned" us money in the past, its why I'm not overly bothered and the numbers quoted are very misleading, the majority of our debt is long term which can be kicked down the road, our short term debt is around £300M I think.Joe Lewis is a billionaire. He bought the majority stakeholding off Alan Sugar in 2001.
Very detailed and interesting post.The short answer is yes. 19/20 figures:
Effectively spending is going up rapidly (wages, transfers, interest), whilst turnover is going down rapidly.
- Turnover down £461m to £392m
- EBITDA down from £168m down to £106m
- This includes £61m Champions League revenue (very uncertain over the next few years)
- This includes £95m match day revenue (will reduce massively 20/21 and is still uncertain for 21/22)
- Cost to service debt has increased from £11m to £25m to £43m
- Net debt increased to £605m (largest in the world)
- Net transfer debt increased £114m (4th highest in the world), meaning total net debt is £719m
- Wages are increasing faster than at any other top 6 club in recent years (81% in 4 years, albeit from a lower base)
They need to put a sharp halt to their increasing costs; whilst at the same time praying stadiums open 100% next season, hoping in a Covid environment they will get a naming rights deal they couldn't achieve in a non-Covid world and ensuring they regularly finish in the CL (difficult with City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester and United all looking far better at the moment and the likes of Arsenal, West Ham, Everton all hoping to usurp them as well).
With Levy's record hiring managers I'd be worried as a Spurs fan. Seven poor managers, one average manager and one good manager in 20 years; the only good manager being fortunate as it was his second choice after being rejected by the awful Van Gaal.
i’ve got a bit more time on my hands now after resigning at the end of the year.
so basically an autobiography? i knew one day people would clamour to hear my story. sure. will chuck it in the chat thread and tag you.Give us a life update in The Gen. I'd love to hear your story.
The ESL was nothing but a money league, picked on their ability to make money and continue to make money. If we hadn't got the stadium we wouldn't have got the invite, I think we all know that. I find it bizarre people actually are believing it was for the good of football .I don’t care how much money their stadium is worth, inviting them to a Super League was the most bizarre part about it all and shone a bright light on what it was all about.
Look at the heritage and history of clubs like Porto, Ajax, Benfica etc... To not invite clubs with titles (both European and domestic) and to invite Spurs, who haven’t won a title in 60+ years, is absolutely bizarre.
Arsenal was a debatable inclusion, but Spurs? I actually like them as a club, but in the top 15 clubs in Europe? It was easily the strangest thing about the whole super league.
Thats what I was saying mate. The selection of the clubs was the biggest indicator of what it was all about.The ESL was nothing but a money league, picked on their ability to make money and continue to make money. If we hadn't got the stadium we wouldn't have got the invite, I think we all know that. I find it bizarre people actually are believing it was for the good of football .
For you to mention Pochettino showcase how brilliant his time at spurs was. Similiar to how arsenal fans think that things will be better after Arsene Wenger, spurs fan had that same ignorance. However, Spurs fan were much more ignorant because at least Arsenal were a big club with grandiose expectations. Spurs were a mid table club that overachieved with Pochettino in charge. Unless levy started spending large and find the right manager, he will not fix the mess spurs is in.Can we ban Amadaeus if they even mention Poch in this thread? Please?
It’s nice to see an old face again rim. I hope lolibfascon is still going strong.so basically an autobiography? i knew one day people would clamour to hear my story. sure. will chuck it in the chat thread and tag you.
No it showcases how much you have wittered on about him on here and nothing else. You’re boring everyone now mate, it’s about as funny as chronic back ache.For you to mention Pochettino showcase how brilliant his time at spurs was.
It wasn’t meant to be funny as Pochettino was underrated on here by the likes of you and many other fan, but he has consistently proven his doubter wrong and Mourinho failure is just another highlight of that.No it showcases how much you have wittered on about him on here and nothing else. You’re boring everyone now mate, it’s about as funny as chronic back ache.