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Goodness me.A DM and a elite manager.
Goodness me.A DM and a elite manager.
I'd agree but surely that means getting rid of Pogba. We can't have Bruno, Pogba and 2 other central midfielders.We are 2 midfielders short, a holder who can pass and a creative #8 playmaker.
They're right. Those are the two main differences between us and City, Chelsea and Liverpool. If we had Kante and Klopp (for example), we'd be favourites.Goodness me.
Don't really need that as much as we need someone reliable to keep the shape in midfield, though. Those surging runs are only really useful against a handful of weaker teams that have a go at us, he doesn't offer nearly enough creatively to hurt the ones that defend deep.He lacks the positional sense that is required. We would also miss his aggression higher up the pitch and his surging runs. He is a much better 8 than a 6 atm.
Just saying that a Klopp wouldn't have a Bruno, Pogba, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho etc on the same team either.They're right. Those are the two main differences between us and City, Chelsea and Liverpool. If we had Kante and Klopp (for example), we'd be favourites.
Yes, I think Bruno was Pogba's replacement but the pandemic hit and he couldn’t leave that summer, I feel we've got Pogba who is best in 4-3-3 and Bruno who is best in 4-2-3-1, we can't consistently get the best from both in the same side while also being defensively solid in midfield.I'd agree but surely that means getting rid of Pogba. We can't have Bruno, Pogba and 2 other central midfielders.
I think what you're describing plus Bruno would be great. Pogba is very good but I think we might be better off swapping him for one of the two players you're describing.
Hannibal might be the answer for the creative No 8 if he could get any sort of minutes to develop. Hard to see this unless we had the solid DM in place first though.We are 2 midfielders short, a holder who can pass and a creative #8 playmaker.
Hannibal and DeclanHannibal might be the answer for the creative No 8 if he could get any sort of minutes to develop. Hard to see this unless we had the solid DM in place first though.
I personally wouldn't like them to sign Declan Rice. Too many questions about his on-ball ability but also its too big a gamble given the likely fee that would have to be paid. Think we should try and nab someone cheaper at DM so that we can eventually target someone like Haaland up front for when Cavani and Ronaldo finish up. Tchouameni or Bennacer ideally.Hannibal and Declan
Players mature.He lacks the positional sense that is required. We would also miss his aggression higher up the pitch and his surging runs. He is a much better 8 than a 6 atm.
Definately agree that ideally we needed two this summer, failure to sign one whether thats due to moving for Ronaldo or failing to move players on,is still a big mistake.We are 2 midfielders short, a holder who can pass and a creative #8 playmaker.
I think player wise it is probably the most balanced we can come up with although whether we want Sancho to be that narrow with AWB behind him is another question. Still not sold on McFred even with Pogba as LAM (his best position IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Donny at CM instead of one of McFred to improve the passing of the midfield.This is an interesting idea to be honest. We need a few of the draft regulars to cast an eye on the suggestion.
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Nailed it.A DM and a elite manager.
I think he's right about that. It kind of reminds me of when we had Di Maria and Falcao under LVG. Blind was the only one in front of the defence. Now we just have Matic.Just saying that a Klopp wouldn't have a Bruno, Pogba, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho etc on the same team either.
That's why I'm kinda hoping he leaves. I think we'd be better off. It'd force us to sign a more consistent and balanced midfielder.Yes, I think Bruno was Pogba's replacement but the pandemic hit and he couldn’t leave that summer, I feel we've got Pogba who is best in 4-3-3 and Bruno who is best in 4-2-3-1, we can't consistently get the best from both in the same side while also being defensively solid in midfield.
What’s that midfielders name & market value? Given he’d need a costly DM next to him.That's why I'm kinda hoping he leaves. I think we'd be better off. It'd force us to sign a more consistent and balanced midfielder.
I don't think Frenkie sits like Carrick, just blocking passing lanes and sweeping everything up. But him working with Carrick would be far better than the supposed work Carrick has done on Fred.I keep thinking that a player like Frenkie De Jong is unobtainable then I think about Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo and wonder if it really would be that hard.
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Is he a deep lying playmaker? Because at times he does seem like it but at times he seems to do all the work with his dribbling. How would you regard his defensive ability?
Also - I know you are not a Barcelona supporter but does he seem happy there considering its arguably gone a level down?
This is true, but they always have a good and exceptional manager. Knowing your limitation, knowing your opponents, read the game, make the necessary tactical change, instead of relying your "best 11" to do the job on their own. Was exactly what fail us at Europa final.Nope, elite sides don’t need exceptional players in every position and it’s a strange mentality to have
I wouldn't overstate it though. Southampton didn't get that result by managing to shut our attack down. We generated more than enough that we should have been able to finish them off. 2.26 xG, which was actually a good deal better than against Leeds. Against Leeds we took our chances (and then some), against Southampton we didn't.Eh? Have you watched United under Ole. This is his exact plan, but it doesnt work. Southampton was a prime example. They cut off the passing by pressing the defense and shutting out the CM's. Result? The ball didnt get to the forwards. Just cos we have Ronaldo now that wont change. We had enough quality forwards against Southampton to hurt them but we couldnt. Shoving Ronaldo, Haaland, Kane anyone there wont make a difference if they cant get the ball to them.
Carrick was immense.Can anyone dissect how the feck did we won the 20th title with mediocre midfield?
Wonder if him and donny would work for us as the pivot.I don't think Frenkie sits like Carrick, just blocking passing lanes and sweeping everything up. But him working with Carrick would be far better than the supposed work Carrick has done on Fred.
Frenkie is more dynamic than Carrick, Matic, Busquets but also smaller and shorter. He is very adept defensively, there would probably be no one in our team that makes the kilometres he does. He has defensive awareness, does well at pressing, intercepting, very well balanced and doesnt shy away from duels. He would work in a 2 with Pogba I'd say, but Pogba would need to put some work in as well. I doubt we could play him in a 4141 type of formation, but who could?
He plays in a 433 for Oranje many at times, as single CDM or in a pivot with Wijnaldum who plays more offensively. For Barcelona he is a box to box.
I think he looks happy there, but he loves Messi. Messi not being there and if they won't challenge, I can imagine a move to the PL to play with Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford, Shaw, Pogba, Bruno, Ronaldo, Varane would be enticing, especially if he'd earn somewhere around 300-400k. But I doubt he'll waist top years if Barça doesnt compete. But I think Barça will still compete.
Why are City an elite side with no CF and a pony LB?Goodness me.
No one could start them all as many play in the same position. Klopp had an attacking side at Dortmund.Just saying that a Klopp wouldn't have a Bruno, Pogba, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho etc on the same team either.
Is it not the correct path to compensate on a less talented manager by getting the best possible players in EVERY position? I mean you wouldn't expect Hodgson to beat Pep with Liverpools current team.This is true, but they always have a good and exceptional manager. Knowing your limitation, knowing your opponents, read the game, make the necessary tactical change, instead of relying your "best 11" to do the job on their own. Was exactly what fail us at Europa final.
Can anyone dissect how the feck did we won the 20th title with mediocre midfield?
Apparently the standards were lowerCarrick was immense.
Well your manager was a level a hair beyond elite, so there’s that. The culture at the club at that time, the expectations, it wasn’t a punchline in some shitty ad man pitch (like Ole is now, whether you like to hear that or not) but something that put steel in the spine of players. I don’t know, it’s something more than just the mystique of a legend manager, it’s something I’ve almost solely posted about on here, what is missing from Manchester United in last decade. Increasingly it feels like SAF was able to work well under leeches but since he has gone leech culture has taken over? Because yea the midfield you rode to that title would make the term workmanlike blush, but it worked.Can anyone dissect how the feck did we won the 20th title with mediocre midfield?
Don't know. I imagine he'd cost less than Pogba though (and Cavani). We have so many attackers (too many) that we could rebalance the squad.What’s that midfielders name & market value? Given he’d need a costly DM next to him.
Unfortunately that's the truth, but I think for too many it hurts to admit it that Ole might not be the man we need.RB + CDM + a Head Coach/manager.
. This is so true.Let’s be real even if we had Xavi Iniesta and Busquets in midfield Ole would still find a way to not make it work
Not, it should be the other way round. Why did Chelsea won the league in 1 season, lost in the wilderness in the following, then won it again with a new manager, in the following season, with practically the same squad?Why are City an elite side with no CF and a pony LB?
No one could start them all as many play in the same position. Klopp had an attacking side at Dortmund.
Is it not the correct path to compensate on a less talented manager by getting the best possible players in EVERY position? I mean you wouldn't expect Hodgson to beat Pep with Liverpools current team.
Apparently the standards were lower