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Our hit rate with Argentinian players isn't great. They're either shit, turn out to be massive cnuts or both.

Veron - Loved the guy when he was in Italy, one of my favourite ever players, but failed at United (partially due to being played out of position). Shite.
Heinze - Started off a cult hero, then tried to join Liverpool. cnut.
Rojo - Nutcase, and shite. Likes burnt toast so is a wrong un. Shite.
Tevez. Started off a cult hero, won stuff and was a huge fan favourite. Joined City and held up an "RIP Fergie" banner. cnut.
Di Maria - Snake, didn't want to be here, and fecked off as soon as he could. cnut.
Romero - Wasn't a cnut, but left under a cloud with his wife calling us out on social media. Wasn't shite either, but not good enough to oust De Gea. Don't mind him.
Garnacho - Another cult hero when he first came through, we gave him his big chance, fans adored him, turned out to be another cnut. cnut.
Martinez - Possibly the only one of the list so far who isn't shite or a cnut (yet), but with the hit rate we have of Argies turning out to be shite/cnuts, I'll reserve judgement.

Have we ever had so many cnuts from one country turn out to be shite cnuts?

cnuts.
 
Garna has been a success because he’s a youth signing.

Of the others the only success is Romero and he was our reserve keeper!!
 
Heinzesight said:
I get the feeling it’s only a matter of time until Martinez joins the list.
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They seem to be a huge set of cnuts in Argentina. We revere them, chant Argentina at them, love them and then they generally throw it back in our faces with no remorse.
 
Our general hit rate with South Americans is quite poor
 
Big Andy said:
Our hit rate with Argentinian players isn't great. They're either shit, turn out to be massive cnuts or both.

Veron - Loved the guy when he was in Italy, one of my favourite ever players, but failed at United (partially due to being played out of position). Shite.
Heinze - Started off a cult hero, then tried to join Liverpool. cnut.
Rojo - Nutcase, and shite. Likes burnt toast so is a wrong un. Shite.
Tevez. Started off a cult hero, won stuff and was a huge fan favourite. Joined City and held up an "RIP Fergie" banner. cnut.
Di Maria - Snake, didn't want to be here, and fecked off as soon as he could. cnut.
Romero - Wasn't a cnut, but left under a cloud with his wife calling us out on social media. Wasn't shite either, but not good enough to oust De Gea. Don't mind him.
Garnacho - Another cult hero when he first came through, we gave him his big chance, fans adored him, turned out to be another cnut. cnut.
Martinez - Possibly the only one of the list so far who isn't shite or a cnut (yet), but with the hit rate we have of Argies turning out to be shite/cnuts, I'll reserve judgement.

Have we ever had so many cnuts from one country turn out to be shite cnuts?

cnuts.
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It's not a great list, real toss up who's the bigger Twat between DiMaria and Tevez. Tevez probably edges it which is saying something. I liked Veron, Rojo and Martinez but I'd be all for us never signing another Argentine again to be honest.

I will say this though there's nothing wrong with burnt Toast on occasion.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Our general hit rate with South Americans is quite poor
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That I don't agree with. Anderson was great for a few seasons, Rafael was fantastic for us and shouldn't have been sold. Valencia was a club captain and cavani was fantastic in spite of his age too.

Its Argentinians that we generally have no luck with, I've thought this for years.
 
To be fair to Tevez I always thought we messed him around a bit with Berba effectively taking his spot so him joining City was a fair exchange. The RIP Fergie thing was a bit much though
 
SalfordRed18 said:
That I don't agree with. Anderson was great for a few seasons, Rafael was fantastic for us and shouldn't have been sold. Valencia was a club captain and cavani was fantastic in spite of his age too.

Its Argentinians that we generally have no luck with, I've thought this for years.
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So a couple have kind of worked, but no mention of the rest that haven’t?

If you’re claiming Anderson as a success that’s already a pretty low bar mate :lol:

I’ve a soft spot for Tony V though, I’ll give you that one
 
Veron in any other era would have been successful. Just the midfield we had at the time was so strong that there was no need for him. Fergie should have replaced Stam in 2001 with someone other than 40 year old Blanc and we would have won the league.

I wouldn’t call him a failure though. In his second season he scored a key goal against Arsenal and played one of the best ever passes I have seen to set up Forlan against Chelsea to score the winner. He was getting better in his second season and played a role in us winning the league. Fergie even rushed him back from injury in the second leg against Madrid. We took a £13m hit from his sale, but looking back now with him playing a role in us winning the league it was worth it for £13m. He was way better for us than the majority of players we signed in the last decade.
 
Shame about Veron but SAF was naturally annoyed that the midfielder and his agent were manufacturing a move out at OT behind his and clubs back.
The Argie was having a stormer in pre-season and most of the fanbase thought he could be the one to takeover from Beckham, who was heading to Madrid.
 
Big Andy said:
Our hit rate with Argentinian players isn't great. They're either shit, turn out to be massive cnuts or both.

Veron - Loved the guy when he was in Italy, one of my favourite ever players, but failed at United (partially due to being played out of position). Shite.
Heinze - Started off a cult hero, then tried to join Liverpool. cnut.
Rojo - Nutcase, and shite. Likes burnt toast so is a wrong un. Shite.
Tevez. Started off a cult hero, won stuff and was a huge fan favourite. Joined City and held up an "RIP Fergie" banner. cnut.
Di Maria - Snake, didn't want to be here, and fecked off as soon as he could. cnut.
Romero - Wasn't a cnut, but left under a cloud with his wife calling us out on social media. Wasn't shite either, but not good enough to oust De Gea. Don't mind him.
Garnacho - Another cult hero when he first came through, we gave him his big chance, fans adored him, turned out to be another cnut. cnut.
Martinez - Possibly the only one of the list so far who isn't shite or a cnut (yet), but with the hit rate we have of Argies turning out to be shite/cnuts, I'll reserve judgement.

Have we ever had so many cnuts from one country turn out to be shite cnuts?

cnuts.
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I think you haven't called people cnuts enough in this post, maybe a couple more?
 
Veron was fine. I can never remember him letting the team down and I enjoyed watching him play, particularly his ridiculous ability to use the outside of his foot.

There was huge expectation around him but while he exuded class and technical ability, he didn´t really integrate well and in fairness there wasn´t really a plan for him.

He scored some seriously classy goals and I can remember being against us selling him.
 
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T00lsh3d said:
So a couple have kind of worked, but no mention of the rest that haven’t?

If you’re claiming Anderson as a success that’s already a pretty low bar mate :lol:

I’ve a soft spot for Tony V though, I’ll give you that one
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Well yeah I'm talking about the ones that have worked out, which was more than a couple. You didn't mention anyone.

Anderson was certainly not a failure was he? We won a league title with him and Tom cleverly in the middle.

Think to say our general hit rate with south Americans is poor isn't accurate outside of Argentinians.
 
LDUred said:
Veron was fine. I can never remember him letting the team down.

There was huge expectation around him but while he showed his class and technical ability, he didn´t really integrate well into our fast paced style of play in the EPL.

He scored some seriously classy goals and I can remember being against us selling him.
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He was terrific in the CL. Remember his insane assist to Ruud?
 
SirAF said:
He was terrific in the CL. Remember his insane assist to Ruud?
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Yeah, loved watching him play. Just a technical genius. Remember going absolutely ballistic with that free kick against West Ham.

Another one that stands out is the way he engineered that goal away at Olympiakos.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Our general hit rate with South Americans is quite poor
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SalfordRed18 said:
That I don't agree with. Anderson was great for a few seasons, Rafael was fantastic for us and shouldn't have been sold. Valencia was a club captain and cavani was fantastic in spite of his age too.

Its Argentinians that we generally have no luck with, I've thought this for years.
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I guess Uruguayans haven't been great so far either.

I loved Forlan's endeavour and desire with us, but obviously his goal return was awful; Cavani had a good first season, but seemed to regret staying for the second and it didnt go well; Ugarte has underwhelmed so far; while youngsters Varela and Pellistri didn't work out at all.

Two or three out of five have done (very) well elsewhere in their career, but I'd say we've only actually had one good season from any Uruguayan so far - Cavani's first year.
 
Big Andy said:
Our hit rate with Argentinian players isn't great. They're either shit, turn out to be massive cnuts or both.

Veron - Loved the guy when he was in Italy, one of my favourite ever players, but failed at United (partially due to being played out of position). Shite.
Heinze - Started off a cult hero, then tried to join Liverpool. cnut.
Rojo - Nutcase, and shite. Likes burnt toast so is a wrong un. Shite.
Tevez. Started off a cult hero, won stuff and was a huge fan favourite. Joined City and held up an "RIP Fergie" banner. cnut.
Di Maria - Snake, didn't want to be here, and fecked off as soon as he could. cnut.
Romero - Wasn't a cnut, but left under a cloud with his wife calling us out on social media. Wasn't shite either, but not good enough to oust De Gea. Don't mind him.
Garnacho - Another cult hero when he first came through, we gave him his big chance, fans adored him, turned out to be another cnut. cnut.
Martinez - Possibly the only one of the list so far who isn't shite or a cnut (yet), but with the hit rate we have of Argies turning out to be shite/cnuts, I'll reserve judgement.

Have we ever had so many cnuts from one country turn out to be shite cnuts?

cnuts.
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In general our South American signings have been pretty terrible, Big Tony being the one exception and maybe the twins, hopefully Martinez and now Cunha. I guess Fred was decent enough despite the initial form issues.

I do think much of it is just shit planning:
  • Rojo shouldn't have been signed, LVG (retired and out of top leagues for ages) was left to pick players and so went for players who had played well at WC. He was never really up to the level we needed in truth despite that random run with Jones were they were Rio/Vidic for like 8 games.
  • Tevez was mostly an issue with the dual ownership stuff from memory? Then SAF turned against him and Tevez lashed out by going to City.
  • Di Maria - had little interest in coming, we threw money at him, he was world class until his house got burgled and then phoned it in.
  • Cavani - desperately waited for Atleti until we were the only team who would pay the agent/signing on fee, threw money at him, he was ok for a season then got the hump Ronaldo came/used United as a ftiness camp to stay fit for the WC.
  • Sanchez...no need to say anything
  • Falcao, crocked.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
I guess Uruguayans haven't been great so far either.

I loved Forlan's endeavour and desire with us, but obviously his goal return was awful; Cavani had a good first season, but seemed to regret staying for the second and it didnt go well; Ugarte has underwhelmed so far; while youngsters Varela and Pellistri didn't work out at all.

Two or three out of five have done (very) well elsewhere in their career, but I'd say we've only actually had one good season from any Uruguayan so far - Cavani's first year.
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And let’s not mention Chileans…..
 
The problem has never been Argies. Its been Fergie prioritizing largely British Isles and northern European players throughout most of the latter part of his reign, which made buying South Americans or even southern Europeans more of a novelty than the norm. Culturally, one would also think South Americans in general, would find it harder to adapt to northern England than Spain and Italy.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Well yeah I'm talking about the ones that have worked out, which was more than a couple. You didn't mention anyone.

Anderson was certainly not a failure was he? We won a league title with him and Tom cleverly in the middle.

Think to say our general hit rate with south Americans is poor isn't accurate outside of Argentinians.
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Forlan, Fabio if you’re having Rafael, Cavani was a great player, but not a great signing, he was either injured or playing for Uruguay. That Brazilian guy we signed at the same time as Djemba Djemba. I liked Anderson and he had a few good games, but I’m not sure he was a good signing. Chicharito was a nice bloke and a good poacher, but the fact we sold him says he wasn’t a success. Casemiro has been a bit of a waste of money, so not really a success.

Valencia is probably our best South American signing.
 
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BuzzKillington said:
Forlan, Fabio if you’re having Rafael, Cavani was a great player, but not a great signing, he was either injured or playing for Uruguay. That Brazilian guy we signed at the same time as Djemba Djemba. I liked Anderson and he had a few good games, but I’m not sure he was a good signing. Chicharito was a nice bloke and a good poacher, but the fact we sold him says he wasn’t a success. Casemiro has been a bit of a waste of money, so not really a success.

Valencia is probably our best South American signing.
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Valencia was mint. Before anyone starts, Chicha was North American :lol:
 
LDUred said:
Veron was fine. I can never remember him letting the team down and I enjoyed watching him play, particularly his ridiculous ability to use the outside of his foot.

There was huge expectation around him but while he exuded class and technical ability, he didn´t really integrate well and in fairness there wasn´t really a plan for him.

He scored some seriously classy goals and I can remember being against us selling him.
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League Cup final 2003. If people think Bruno or Pogba was wasteful watch Veron in that game. Also, I think the year previously he gave the ball away for a goal in the title race where we got beat IIRC.

It’s a shame because he had a lot of class and was generally good in Europe. Great player but sadly not for us.
 
Irwin99 said:
League Cup final 2003. If people think Bruno or Pogba was wasteful watch Veron in that game. Also, I think the year previously he gave the ball away for a goal in the title race where we got beat IIRC.

It’s a shame because he had a lot of class and was generally good in Europe. Great player but sadly not for us.
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Fergie wrote he was a great player but would never play where he was told for us he just roamed everywhere.
 
Have to agree that Argentina is probably the country we’ve had the worst hit rate with if you take into account the sample size, not only in terms of poor performing players but ones who have fallen out with the club, which is so weird when you think about the Argentina chants and so. annoying when you think City have had some good ones.

Best foreign nationality would be France maybe? King Eric is doing a lot of the work but Evra, Saha, Silverstre, even Martial played a fair few games and/or were important in trophy wins.

Portugal maybe?
 
Martinez has (essentially) suffered season ending injuries three years running. Jury’s still kind of out on him, I reckon. Not like he was a cheap signing
 
Irwin99 said:
Have to agree that Argentina is probably the country we’ve had the worst hit rate with if you take into account the sample size, not only in terms of poor performing players but ones who have fallen out with the club, which is so weird when you think about the Argentina chants and so. annoying when you think City have had some good ones.

Best foreign nationality would be France maybe? King Eric is doing a lot of the work but Evra, Saha, Silverstre, even Martial played a fair few games and/or were important in trophy wins.

Portugal maybe?
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Holland would probably rival France.

Stam, VDS, Van Nistelrooy and Van Persie. Van der Gouw and Blind were decent.
 
Bojan11 said:
Holland would probably rival France.

Stam, VDS, Van Nistelrooy and Van Persie. Van der Gouw and Blind were decent.
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Good shout. Actually, thats probably even better than our French legends? Shame EtH let us down in terms of a Dutch manager.
 
Veron was amazing. Not in his overall impact, because ultimately he just wasn't built for English football, but some of the skill and technique he showed were out of this world. And that's in a midfield with Paul Scholes in it. Possibly the most skilful player I've ever seen at OT.
 
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