Arne Slot | ex-Liverpool manager | The Bald sack watch is over

SilentWitness said:
They were lucky to win again yesterday. Had quite a few of those results this season. They'll get CL but there isn't anything that would want me to stick with him after the summer if I were a Liverpool fan.
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Just a gut feeling but the reverse is also true, it feels like we had a period a month or two ago during which we dropped points late in ea few games in a row.

But yeah, the 15 out of 15 points to start off the season has given us a massive edge compared to the teams just below us. Even if we finished 3th and got to the semis of the CL I would still want him out. Rather today than after the season. His snide and petty remarks pre and post games, his behaviour, and most importantly the way he has us playing (or not playing) is beyond repairable for me.
 
MadMike said:
Tbh I think by far the biggest reason why they might consider sacking him is Alonso’s availability.

Otherwise it’s a bit plastic to fire a manager for a mediocre season, during which he gets a top 5 finish and delivers UCL football no less, after having won it the previous year. If Alonso weren’t in the picture the contemplation alone would smack of real hubris. Like Liverpool are Real Madrid who expect to win or challenge every year or something.
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Looking past the financial side of it, what's the point of delivering CL football if you have your team playing so damn poorly that it's pointless to enter the competition anyway? It was painful how out of depth we looked against PSG at home (and presumably away as well).
 
RobinLFC said:
Just a gut feeling but the reverse is also true, it feels like we had a period a month or two ago during which we dropped points late in ea few games in a row.

But yeah, the 15 out of 15 points to start off the season has given us a massive edge compared to the teams just below us. Even if we finished 3th and got to the semis of the CL I would still want him out. Rather today than after the season. His snide and petty remarks pre and post games, his behaviour, and most importantly the way he has us playing (or not playing) is beyond repairable for me.
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Agree with everything, it kind evens out, you had some games where things went against you as well.

On bolded part: ten Hag and van Gaal were similar. Something about Dutch managers it seems, they can be really frustrating. At least you got PL title out of your Dutch manager.

But as said here, don't think he'll keep his job with Alonso available. He'll get top 5 but Chelsea decided to lose 4 games in a row so competition is poor.
 
RobinLFC said:
Just a gut feeling but the reverse is also true, it feels like we had a period a month or two ago during which we dropped points late in ea few games in a row.

But yeah, the 15 out of 15 points to start off the season has given us a massive edge compared to the teams just below us. Even if we finished 3th and got to the semis of the CL I would still want him out. Rather today than after the season. His snide and petty remarks pre and post games, his behaviour, and most importantly the way he has us playing (or not playing) is beyond repairable for me.
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Any comments in particular?

But yeah, he acts and talks like a cnut.
 
RobinLFC said:
Any update?

Your claims were outlandish at the time and they look even more wildly off the mark just 10 days after making them.
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Congratulations. You've had two very lucky victories!

Should be enough to keep Slot in the job for next season now!
 
MaMa given red said:
Show me the footage of all the brilliant chances you created against them?
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I'll show you both of our goals and then you show me all the brilliant chances they created against us to deserve a victory over us, how does that work?
 
RobinLFC said:
I'll show you both of our goals and then you show me all the brilliant chances they created against us to deserve a victory over us, how does that work?
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You just don't get it.

You scored from two bits of individual quality. Smith Rowe missed a massive chance in the second half that would have put you under pressure.

Where are the goals coming from next season with No Salah or Ekitike?

You'll be way down like Spurs in a relegation scrap with Slot in charge.
 
MaMa given red said:
You just don't get it.

You scored from two bits of individual quality. Smith Rowe missed a massive chance in the second half that would have put you under pressure.

Where are the goals coming from next season with No Salah or Ekitike?

You'll be way down like Spurs in a relegation scrap with Slot in charge.
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Yeah you're not worth my time replying anymore, enjoy the imaginery scenarios for the time being :rolleyes: I'll get back to you when we have finished 11th or worse in a month time.
 
RobinLFC said:
Yeah you're not worth my time replying anymore, enjoy the imaginery scenarios for the time being :rolleyes: I'll get back to you when we have finished 11th or worse in a month time.
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Do you genuinely think you played well in the last two league games?

You're as deluded as your manager who thinks you showed that you can compete with PSG despite losing 4-0!
 
RobinLFC said:
Looking past the financial side of it, what's the point of delivering CL football if you have your team playing so damn poorly that it's pointless to enter the competition anyway? It was painful how out of depth we looked against PSG at home (and presumably away as well).
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Well, my problem with this take is that:
  1. By that definition it is pointless for anyone but the 3-4 strongest, most in-form teams to participate.
  2. It assumes that future performance levels will be same as past ones, and therefore that the team and the manager cannot improve.
Yes, if you perform like you did this year you have no hope of competing. But there's no guarantee of such stagnation. I have the same argument with people over at the Carrick thread. They are like "we're winning, but performance levels are not good" as if a young manager cannot improve himself and the team is already as good as it's ever going to be under him only 3 months into his reign. It's a redonkulous take.

If you truly believe that it's impossible for him to improve things, then ok. But I don't know where that certainty comes from.
 
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He’s going to qualify for the CL, having got out of the group stage, which I imagine would’ve been the minimum requirement for the season. I think with the title win, the collapse in form of Salah and Van Dijk, injuries and signings struggling, he’s got just enough cover to get another season.

I think he’s bang average and will get sacked before Christmas, but I do reckon he’ll survive the summer.
 
MadMike said:
Well, my problem with this take is that:
  1. By that definition iit is pointless for anyone but the 3-4 strongest, most in-form teams to participate.
  2. It assumes that future performance levels will be same as past ones, and therefore that the team and the manager cannot improve.
Yes, if you perform like you did this year you have no hope of competing. But there's no guarantee of such stagnation. I have the same argument with people over at the Carrick thread. They are like "we're winning, but performance levels are not good" as if a young manager cannot improve himself and the team is already as good as it's ever going to be under him only 3 months into his reign. It's a redonkulous take.

If you truly believe that it's impossible for him to improve things, then ok. But I don't know where that certainty comes from.
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Remember, they won the fecking thing from a mid-table position
 
They'll go back on the juice next season and be fine probably. This has been the trajectory of Liverpool the past ten or so years. A brilliant season followed by a disaster, rinse and repeat.
 
RobinLFC said:
Looking past the financial side of it, what's the point of delivering CL football if you have your team playing so damn poorly that it's pointless to enter the competition anyway? It was painful how out of depth we looked against PSG at home (and presumably away as well).
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Yep. I've watched a lot of Liverpool games this season to keep track of Wirtz and Frimpong and the team has been almost horrible in most coaching related aspects. It's even more irritating when you hear Slot speak about PSG. He admires them but adapts almost none of the patterns that make them so great to watch. PSG constantly rotate all over the pitch, every player can show up in every position while Liverpool is completely static. PSG tries to keep the ball on the ground at almost all costs while Liverpool loves to play long balls. Every PSG player is constantly making runs inbehind - overlapping as well as underlapping - while almost all Liverpool players wait to have it played into their feet. PSG tries to play with very few touches in the build up leveraging third man combinations a lot of the time while Liverpool players take their time on the ball and progress it either with carries or long passes. The only thing the two sides have in common is that they try to play intense but that aside they are nothing alike.

I'd understand sticking with the coach if it was a pure result crisis and the playing style was promising but I really don't see this working out.
 
MadMike said:
Well, my problem with this take is that:
  1. By that definition it is pointless for anyone but the 3-4 strongest, most in-form teams to participate.
  2. It assumes that future performance levels will be same as past ones, and therefore that the team and the manager cannot improve.
Yes, if you perform like you did this year you have no hope of competing. But there's no guarantee of such stagnation. I have the same argument with people over at the Carrick thread. They are like "we're winning, but performance levels are not good" as if a young manager cannot improve himself and the team is already as good as it's ever going to be under him only 3 months into his reign. It's a redonkulous take.

If you truly believe that it's impossible for him to improve things, then ok. But I don't know where that certainty comes from.
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I don't believe for one bit that Slot has what it takes to turn it around. We were good at first, then he slowly but steadily made us worse and worse over the course of the season. There have bene no signs at all that he knows what he needs to do to turn it around or get the best out of his players, and almost every single player in the team is underperforming compared to their form one or two seasons ago - too much of them to be a coincidence imo, such a general drop off in level can only be attributed to the manager for me.

I'd love to be in the CL next season under a different manager even though we wouldn't come close to winning it. I just want to see progress or us building something meaningful again. If it's still Slot at the helm, we might as well not bother for 8 group phase games and going out again in the first KO tie against the first decent opposition we come across.
 
That was a big result for him yesterday. I reckon Liverpool will make the CL comfortably and he'll be allowed to spend more to build the squad to his liking. He has been unlucky with injuries this season, so the board is going to take that into account and give him more time.
 
Kush said:
That was a big result for him yesterday. I reckon Liverpool will make the CL comfortably and he'll be allowed to spend more to build the squad to his liking. He has been unlucky with injuries this season, so the board is going to take that into account and give him more time.
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Yeah, Chelsea are so poor right now, that it probably won't even be that exciting who makes top five in the end. I really don't think they are gaining 7 points on either Liverpool or Aston Villa now. And like you say, I'd guess that CL qualification is the minimum requirement for maintaining his job.
 
It is genuinely good news. Not even in like a 'haaaaa your shit but you might end up being alright way e.g Wirtz'.

This guy is a fraud.
 
Surprised Alonso is not going there. His work in Germany was outstanding and I think their fans would be prefer it.

Oppo fans certainly happy with the news :cool:
 
I think it’s PR before he’s sacked end of season. I’ve seen reports like this come out then managers are sacked.
 
He'll only have 1 year left on his contract going into next season though, right? I suspect he'll be on thin ice if he doesn't have a strong start. Similar to Brendan Rodgers in 15/16.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
He'll only have 1 year left on his contract going into next season though, right? I suspect he'll be on thin ice if he doesn't have a strong start. Similar to Brendan Rodgers in 15/16.
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Feels a bit like dragging out the inevitable. If they're unlucky, Alonso will be at another club once they'll have to sack Slot.
 
Zehner said:
Feels a bit like dragging out the inevitable. If they're unlucky, Alonso will be at another club once they'll have to sack Slot.
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Would call that terrible planning rather than unlucky to be honest. A wasted season to boot, given we'll be miles behind next season if the call is made to sack him.
 
It will be very funny, when they fire Slot a few months into the new season and Alonso is not available anymore.
 
DennisReynolds said:
Would call that terrible planning rather than unlucky to be honest. A wasted season to boot, given we'll be miles behind next season if the call is made to sack him.
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I always find it difficult to judge coaches. Those guys have 12+ hour days and we rate them based on the two or three hours per week that are visible to the public. Based on what the team is showing on the pitch, I agree with you that it would be terrible planning to keep him but who knows. Maybe he has good explanations as to why the team is playing as bad as it is and his plans for next season are genuinely good. From my point of view, they should sack him and bring in Alonso but I wouldn't rule out that Liverpool looks sharp under Slot come next season either while Alonso is struggling with his new club. Stranger things have happened.
 
Zehner said:
I always find it difficult to judge coaches. Those guys have 12+ hour days and we rate them based on the two or three hours per week that are visible to the public. Based on what the team is showing on the pitch, I agree with you that it would be terrible planning to keep him but who knows. Maybe he has good explanations as to why the team is playing as bad as it is and his plans for next season are genuinely good. From my point of view, they should sack him and bring in Alonso but I wouldn't rule out that Liverpool looks sharp under Slot come next season either while Alonso is struggling with his new club. Stranger things have happened.
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You didn't have such difficulties in passing definitive judgment on Ten Hag after about 5mn of football played, however :lol:
 
Zehner said:
I always find it difficult to judge coaches. Those guys have 12+ hour days and we rate them based on the two or three hours per week that are visible to the public. Based on what the team is showing on the pitch, I agree with you that it would be terrible planning to keep him but who knows. Maybe he has good explanations as to why the team is playing as bad as it is and his plans for next season are genuinely good. From my point of view, they should sack him and bring in Alonso but I wouldn't rule out that Liverpool looks sharp under Slot come next season either while Alonso is struggling with his new club. Stranger things have happened.
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If he does have good explanations, then he's saying completely different internally than he is in public, considering all he does in public is blame everyone and everything but himself.

To be honest, even if that was the case, I have absolutely no faith in his explanations and ideas actually being implemented successfully. Either his tactical ideas are awful, his coaching can't translate his ideas or, more likely, both.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
You didn't have such difficulties in passing definitive judgment on Ten Hag after about 5mn of football played, however :lol:
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To be fair EtH looked like a disaster for Leverkusen long before the first Minute was played...
 
MaMa given red said:
Do you genuinely think you played well in the last two league games?

You're as deluded as your manager who thinks you showed that you can compete with PSG despite losing 4-0!
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It doesn't even matter if they "played well". Your predictions were absurd, as if that's how football works.
 
I’m in the minority but I would’ve preffered if they missed out on the CL and he got sacked. Instability over stability any day. I’m not saying he’s a great coach but he did win the league. I don’t think he’s as bad a coach as people think.
 
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