Arne Slot | ex-Liverpool manager | The Bald sack watch is over

Rooney in Paris said:
You didn't have such difficulties in passing definitive judgment on Ten Hag after about 5mn of football played, however :lol:
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In both cases I give the people who run the club and should know better because they work with the coach in question on a daily basis the benefit of the doubt. But I'm not at all surprised that this goes over your head


DennisReynolds said:
If he does have good explanations, then he's saying completely different internally than he is in public, considering all he does in public is blame everyone and everything but himself.

To be honest, even if that was the case, I have absolutely no faith in his explanations and ideas actually being implemented successfully. Either his tactical ideas are awful, his coaching can't translate his ideas or, more likely, both.
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I mean, I'm playing devil's advocate here. In general, I agree with you and think at least some improvements in terms of patterns of play, defensive structure or better individual decision making should be visible but there's nothing. He admires PSG and adapts none of their traits for instance. But in theory, there are scenarios in which it would be understandable to give him another season. E.g. the current tactical landscape is in a drastic shift due to the newfound popularity of man marking. Even Pep took a while to adapt to that. Maybe he says that he misjudged this but can't adapt completely during thin the season but presented them a good plan for the next one. But as said, if I were to make a decision based on what I've seen, I would definitely replace him with Alonso in the summer.
 
Rista said:
It doesn't even matter if they "played well". Your predictions were absurd, as if that's how football works.
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They took one point from games against Wolves, Spurs and Brighton. Their captain said out loud that they gave up and stopped playing against Man City.

They had a fortunate victory vs Fulham and could/should have lost to Everton if Moyes wasn't so spineless. It's lucky for them that Chelsea are even worse.

Just wait until next season with no Salah or Ekitike. The rest of their squad is average at best. They will be bottom half.
 
MaMa given red said:
They took one point from games against Wolves, Spurs and Brighton. Their captain said out loud that they gave up and stopped playing against Man City.

They had a fortunate victory vs Fulham and could/should have lost to Everton if Moyes wasn't so spineless. It's lucky for them that Chelsea are even worse.

Just wait until next season with no Salah or Ekitike. The rest of their squad is average at best. They will be bottom half.
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Here’s hoping.
 
Their midfield still looks pretty strong but problems in the defence and attack are glaring. If we can’t smash them at OT then I’d be disappointed.
 
Mike Smalling said:
When is the last time this United team smashed anyone?
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Well, It SHOULD have been 3-0 vs City earlier in the season but Mount’s third goal was strangely disallowed.

But yeah, point taken, we rarely win big games by destroying the opposition. No better time to do it than now though against this Liverpool side.
 
Irwin99 said:
Well, It SHOULD have been 3-0 vs City earlier in the season but Mount’s third goal was strangely disallowed.

But yeah, point taken, we rarely win big games by destroying the opposition. No better time to do it than now though against this Liverpool side.
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We've been awful for large parts of the season but even then we barely ever got thrashed in the league, at least from a final score perspective. As far as I can see, the only games we lost with more than one goal this season were away at City and at home vs Forest, both 0-3 losses in consecutive games during our lowest low back in November).

I think we have enough pride left in our players to actually turn up at Old Trafford to be honest. No telling whether that will suffice when Slot will send them out there without a remotely cohesive plan to execute, mind, but we'll see.
 
RobinLFC said:
We've been awful for large parts of the season but even then we barely ever got thrashed in the league, at least from a final score perspective. As far as I can see, the only games we lost with more than one goal this season were away at City and at home vs Forest, both 0-3 losses in consecutive games during our lowest low back in November).

I think we have enough pride left in our players to actually turn up at Old Trafford to be honest. No telling whether that will suffice when Slot will send them out there without a remotely cohesive plan to execute, mind, but we'll see.
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Do you think you’ll get a result against us?
 
Irwin99 said:
Their midfield still looks pretty strong but problems in the defence and attack are glaring. If we can’t smash them at OT then I’d be disappointed.
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I guess it's an unpopular opinion but I think the midfield is one of, if not their biggest problem. Szoboszlai and Gravenberch constantly miss the windows to break the lines and Mac Allister has been in terrible form for the entire season. Having a great shot or the occasional great carry here and there can't compensate for the lack of progressive passes and pressing resistancy. Jones is the only one who's decent at that and he's very inconsistent. Would start him anyway, though.
 
Irwin99 said:
Their midfield still looks pretty strong but problems in the defence and attack are glaring. If we can’t smash them at OT then I’d be disappointed.
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We can’t be thrashing them!

We have to do what the Undertaker used to do. Still win the match but get the players to make facial expressions that insinuate what a tough game it was, really sell it. We need to win, but still get Slot over.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
Do you think you’ll get a result against us?
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Can't say I have seen you play much under Carrick. Didn't think you were impressive against Chelsea the other week, but you're in better form and have probably more confidence throughout the team than we do. So I wouldn't say it's impossible but more likely to lose imo.
 
MaMa given red said:
They took one point from games against Wolves, Spurs and Brighton. Their captain said out loud that they gave up and stopped playing against Man City.

They had a fortunate victory vs Fulham and could/should have lost to Everton if Moyes wasn't so spineless. It's lucky for them that Chelsea are even worse.

Just wait until next season with no Salah or Ekitike. The rest of their squad is average at best. They will be bottom half.
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It's just a ridiculous way of looking at football. As if recent form sets a trend in stone and predicts the entire future. And as if playing bad and losing points to bottom table teams means you automatically get nothing against better sides. You said you'd be "amazed if they pick up more than five points from their remaining seven games" and now you're apparently amazed that Moyes is spineless. They were lucky, this and that should have happened etc. The reality is, there is a very good chance they will get CL and a decent chance they even finish above us.
 
Rista said:
It's just a ridiculous way of looking at football. As if recent form sets a trend in stone and predicts the entire future. And as if playing bad and losing points to bottom table teams means you automatically get nothing against better sides. You said you'd be "amazed if they pick up more than five points from their remaining seven games" and now you're apparently amazed that Moyes is spineless. They were lucky, this and that should have happened etc. The reality is, there is a very good chance they will get CL and a decent chance they even finish above us.
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How is it? Look at Chelsea under Rosenior or us under Amorim.
As soon as Liverpool said they were sticking with Slot despite the poor results and performances, I expected them to go the same way. They are playing really poorly.
When was the last time they played really well in the league?

If they lose on Saturday to a Crystal Palace side that's already beaten them three times this season there's every chance they drop out of the top five. The players clearly aren't playing for the manager and a fortunate victory doesn't change that.
 
MaMa given red said:
How is it? Look at Chelsea under Rosenior or us under Amorim.
As soon as Liverpool said they were sticking with Slot despite the poor results and performances, I expected them to go the same way. They are playing really poorly.
When was the last time they played really well in the league?

If they lose on Saturday to a Crystal Palace side that's already beaten them three times this season there's every chance they drop out of the top five. The players clearly aren't playing for the manager and a fortunate victory doesn't change that.
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You said we were finishing bottom half mate, not "outside the top 5". Nice backtracking here, because your initial stance was a complete joke.
 
Still feel Liverpool will finish third. So many times we tend to write them out but they tend finish the season strongly.

They are out of the cl and have nothing to play for like us and will also get enough rest to recuperate.

Liverpool will either draw or scrape a win at OT
 
RobinLFC said:
You said we were finishing bottom half mate, not "outside the top 5". Nice backtracking here, because your initial stance was a complete joke.
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That was based on you not beating Fulham or Everton though. If you'd only picked up one point from those two games I'd stand by it. I don't think you'll pick up many points from your last five games.
 
MaMa given red said:
That was based on you not beating Fulham or Everton though. If you'd only picked up one point from those two games I'd stand by it. I don't think you'll pick up many points from your last five games.
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You thought we weren't picking up more than 5 points in our last 7 games. Which we've already done in the 2 games since.
 
RobinLFC said:
You thought we weren't picking up more than 5 points in our last 7 games. Which we've already done in the 2 games since.
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Why don't you try rereading my last comment.

I thought you'd win one, draw two and lose four of your last seven based on how poorly you are performing and literally giving up as your captain admitted you did at 1-0 down in the cup game.
 
Witchking said:
Still feel Liverpool will finish third. So many times we tend to write them out but they tend finish the season strongly.

They are out of the cl and have nothing to play for like us and will also get enough rest to recuperate.

Liverpool will either draw or scrape a win at OT
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I dont think Liverpool will finish above us given their run of fixtures through May, I think us and Villa will finish above them with City and Arsenal
 
If he'd had this season first there surely wouldn't be any cries for him to be sacked. Everyone expected a huge drop off post Klopp.

It almost feels like when a manager gets some utterly rancid twobob championship club promoted over the favourites, then is penalised by the sack 3months into the next season.
 
Sandikan said:
If he'd had this season first there surely wouldn't be any cries for him to be sacked. Everyone expected a huge drop off post Klopp.

It almost feels like when a manager gets some utterly rancid twobob championship club promoted over the favourites, then is penalised by the sack 3months into the next season.
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Nah you aren't making an accurate analogy imo.

Literally every single player in our squad is underperforming. Every week we look like a disjointed team that has no idea what needs to be done on the pitch. Both of those things are clearly down to the manager. It's not because he lucked into a title by not changing too much of the tactics under Klopp that he's somehow excused from the incredibly poor job he's been doing all season now. We were bad in September and since then, he has not shown ANY indication that he knows what needs to be done in order to change that. It doesn't even look like he is trying to fix the things that go wrong, that's how bad it is.

It's disingenuous to go "oh if these seasons were the other way around everyone would be applauding him" (not saying you were, but I've seen it mentioned), because it's simply not how it is. Yes, we would've been fine with taking a step back under the new manager after Klopp if at least it looked like we were building something again. If we were currently on 55 points because we started the season of really poorly while trying to integrate all the new players, and would have picked up the pace after a good while, even midway through the season, I would've been fine with that and would want to give Slot another season. I'm usually fine with not winning things, I grew up getting used to it, but I want to at least have some excitement while watching us play and want to see that something is building. The opposite is true now, with each passing game it's getting worse. He doesn't have a clue.
 
Alonso or klopp may be good replacements if they do fire slot. They are lucky to have good options. Even madrid are struggling with managers atm, relative to their ambitions that is.
 
Witchking said:
Still feel Liverpool will finish third. So many times we tend to write them out but they tend finish the season strongly.

They are out of the cl and have nothing to play for like us and will also get enough rest to recuperate.

Liverpool will either draw or scrape a win at OT
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Kind of reminds me of the 4-2 home defeat to Liverpool here.
 
Are there any people who actually rate him at this point? Will he ever get anywhere near good job as Liverpool again, or is he finished as the likes of Ten Hag, Mourinho, etc. at the very best clubs?
 
Sandikan said:
If he'd had this season first there surely wouldn't be any cries for him to be sacked. Everyone expected a huge drop off post Klopp.

It almost feels like when a manager gets some utterly rancid twobob championship club promoted over the favourites, then is penalised by the sack 3months into the next season.
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If he had this season first, he wouldn't have made into 2026 with how bad our performances and results were.

(I say were...they haven't gotten much better).
 
MaMa given red said:
How is it? Look at Chelsea under Rosenior or us under Amorim.
As soon as Liverpool said they were sticking with Slot despite the poor results and performances, I expected them to go the same way. They are playing really poorly.
When was the last time they played really well in the league?

If they lose on Saturday to a Crystal Palace side that's already beaten them three times this season there's every chance they drop out of the top five. The players clearly aren't playing for the manager and a fortunate victory doesn't change that.
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But that's a lot of IFs and BUTs. Don't you think it's silly to make such bold predictions and then say "well, I meant if they lose this and that game". Nothing is certain in football and pretty much nobody is playing really well. You don't even have to play well to take more than 5 points out of 7 games, which you said you would be amazed if they did.
 
Rista said:
But that's a lot of IFs and BUTs. Don't you think it's silly to make such bold predictions and then say "well, I meant if they lose this and that game". Nothing is certain in football and pretty much nobody is playing really well. You don't even have to play well to take more than 5 points out of 7 games, which you said you would be amazed if they did.
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As I said previously. This was based on really poor performances against Wolves and Spurs where they scored two fortune goals and a complete failure against City where they literally stopped playing! Southampton gave City far more of a test in the cup!

I've not seen anything from the game yesterday but the stats suggest they played pretty poorly again.

They've got the points in the bag now so they should secure Champions League football.

I stand by prediction that they will be absolutely terrible next season though.

No Salah, No Robertson. Ekitike with a serious potentially career changing injury.
Ive read that they may sell Jones and Allison in the summer as well. It all points to a really bad season to come.
 
MaMa given red said:
As I said previously. This was based on really poor performances against Wolves and Spurs where they scored two fortune goals and a complete failure against City where they literally stopped playing! Southampton gave City far more of a test in the cup!

I've not seen anything from the game yesterday but the stats suggest they played pretty poorly again.

They've got the points in the bag now so they should secure Champions League football.

I stand by prediction that they will be absolutely terrible next season though.

No Salah, No Robertson. Ekitike with a serious potentially career changing injury.
Ive read that they may sell Jones and Allison in the summer as well. It all points to a really bad season to come.
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I don't see how they won't go again in the transfer market. Maybe not 450 million and two 100+ million players, but I wouldn't be surprised with a 2-300 million spend. Their squad has major gaps all over the pitch, which is insane for the current champions who spent so much money. They really messed up last summer.
 
Semigoodlookin said:
I don't see how they won't go again in the transfer market. Maybe not 450 million and two 100+ million players, but I wouldn't be surprised with a 2-300 million spend. Their squad has major gaps all over the pitch, which is insane for the current champions who spent so much money. They really messed up last summer.
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I don't know if they can afford too?
Either way they are losing the goals of Salah and Ekitike and relying on a striker that hasn't been fit all season to stay fit!

Agree. Kerkez and Frimpong dont look up to it. Neither does the new goalkeeper. Ekitike is out for a year and Isak can't get/stay fit.
Wirtz is struggling with the physicality of the league. Add that to all of their previously great players ageing out and it's a recipe for disaster!

We saw what's happened to Spurs once they lost Kane and Son. They are heading in that direction.
 
MaMa given red said:
I don't know if they can afford too?
Either way they are losing the goals of Salah and Ekitike and relying on a striker that hasn't been fit all season to stay fit!

Agree. Kerkez and Frimpong dont look up to it. Neither does the new goalkeeper. Ekitike is out for a year and Isak can't get/stay fit.
Wirtz is struggling with the physicality of the league. Add that to all of their previously great players ageing out and it's a recipe for disaster!

We saw what's happened to Spurs once they lost Kane and Son. They are heading in that direction.
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I agree with them being in trouble no matter what they do. If they don't spend then their squad looks surprisingly poor considering at the start of the season many people were saying they assembled some sort of super squad. If they do twist and spend money, there's no guarantee of successful transfers. At best some will work and others won't. Their era of perfect signings is gone and if you start getting a few transfers wrong, it can take years to properly recover. We have seen that with United.
 


He couldn't resist saying that we improved due to "another transfer window adding a lot of players". If only it was as straightforward as that ey, Arne?
 
18 losses this season and somehow he's keeping his job next season.

Genuinely a disgrace.
 
TheReligion said:
I can see why you’re frustrated. Lots of tidy possession but little edge. Seems to be a Dutch thing.
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Tidy when it doesn't matter. Teams let us play now, once they start pressuring when we move forward, our passing is sloppy.
 
If I was a Liverpool fan, it would feck up my whole World Cup summer vibe knowing they were sticking with Slot and going into next season almost knowingly making a massive mistake.

I'd be fuming.
 
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