Yes, I think he will.
Do I expect him to be there at Christmas? No, I do not.
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Arne Slot | Liverpool manager | Bald sack watch
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Do I expect him to be there at Christmas? No, I do not.
Situation reeks of our Dutch baldie…
He shouldn't but it's possible. It could be that he managed to do bare minimum securing CL (that should be done when they beat Chelsea at home).
I honestly struggle to remember a single game where I came away thinking we were especially unlucky or badly screwed by the referees. Then again, I struggle to remember many games under Slot in general.
When your post-match reaction is to rant about the game not being stopped at midfield in some random situation, or to complain about a standard 50-50 call that even the vast majority of the most biased Liverpool fans are not making noise about, you’ve genuinely lost the plot as a manager.
Slot’s delusions are becoming such a massive obstacle to progress that I seriously cannot understand what the upper management are thinking anymore.
It's reminding me of their situation with Rodgers.
He almost won the league for them in 13/14, bombed in 14/15, but was still given the start of 15/16 even though everyone knew he was on borrowed time. Barely made it to October.
If we can get the next appointment right like we did after Rodgers, I would be delighted if we'd give Slot until October
Slot is like a guy who scored a jackpot on his first pull of a slot machine and is now bitterly railing about how the game is rigged because he hasn't gotten another jackpot on the next few attempts.
Every single thing went his way the first season - he inherited a great team, his star man had arguably the best six months in PL history in terms of end product, nearly all his starting field players stayed healthy, his side received the most penalties in the league, and his two main competitors fell off so badly that by the time his side hit the wall physically in March the title was already decided and there was no pressure.
What Slot has faced this season is actually pretty normal for clubs juggling the PL and CL - a few significant injuries to major players, the need to rotate and find different ways to win matches rather than just playing the same eleven and tactics week after week, lots of matches in which the opponent is fresher, decisions not necessarily going your way, struggling to score when your attackers have tired legs and you don't have Mo Salah hitting 47 league goal contributions, etc.
Every single thing went his way the first season - he inherited a great team, his star man had arguably the best six months in PL history in terms of end product, nearly all his starting field players stayed healthy, his side received the most penalties in the league, and his two main competitors fell off so badly that by the time his side hit the wall physically in March the title was already decided and there was no pressure.
What Slot has faced this season is actually pretty normal for clubs juggling the PL and CL - a few significant injuries to major players, the need to rotate and find different ways to win matches rather than just playing the same eleven and tactics week after week, lots of matches in which the opponent is fresher, decisions not necessarily going your way, struggling to score when your attackers have tired legs and you don't have Mo Salah hitting 47 league goal contributions, etc.
Slot deserves a lot of credit for that though. He helped Salah by giving him virtually no defensive work to do and he kept the squad far fitter and available than Klopp had done the year before. Klopps style of training and football runs players in to the ground.
You would think he does yeah, until you realize that if you do give him credit for that, it must mean that he suddenly forgot overnight how to keep helping Salah or keep our squad fresh and available.
With each passing game, it looks more and more like it was pure dumb luck and a perfect storm for him.
Salah's legs have fell off! He looks more like a soccer aid player these days!
You don't win a league title by 'luck' unless he also won one with Feyenord by luck and luckily got AZ level on points with Ajax before their league was cancelled.
He's a really good manager.
Just like Ten Hag was an excellent manager in The Netherlands but an awful one in England yeah. And countless others.
There's no shame in admitting you're not up to the task, and we'll always have the memory of winning the league together.
No because loads of managers win the league with Ajax.
Slot is only the second manager this century to do it with Feyenoord and second this century to do it with Liverpool. Getting AZ to effectively 1st or 2nd is a big achievement too.
If I'd said to you the next manager after Klopp at Liverpool will finish 1st and 4th in his first two seasons, would you not have taken that?
I am in a way glad, we are back to wanting Liverpool managers to stay than quit.
From Rafa, to that man Dalglish who sided with Suarez, to the great Roy Hodgson to the also ran Brendon before Klopp came in and brought some good players, made some good decisions and quit. Then Slot comes in and wins the title in his first ever season in the premier league like Wenger, giving interviews on the pitch side about how smart he is.
Thank You Slot for being who you are. Just hope he stays and wastes another 200-300 million next season.
From Rafa, to that man Dalglish who sided with Suarez, to the great Roy Hodgson to the also ran Brendon before Klopp came in and brought some good players, made some good decisions and quit. Then Slot comes in and wins the title in his first ever season in the premier league like Wenger, giving interviews on the pitch side about how smart he is.
Thank You Slot for being who you are. Just hope he stays and wastes another 200-300 million next season.
He did a great job the prior season, he is not doing a great job this season.
Same for the team.
Neither side is entirely at fault, it's a mixed bag.
He can continue based on his first season and give him another chance, with maybe a pre season that helps with injuries, that restores the best version of the current players? yes, would be fair too, smart giving the gut feeling that maybe his tiome has come? dunno,
Can he be sacked to create some fresh air enviroment (even if at the end of the day, he does not deserve it), to perhaps (we don't know) avoid a Captain that current sailors maybe think that has lost his plot and are closer to mutiny than following here. While bringing a new general to try to put everyone on line? yes TOO
There is no easy answers here, yet demeriting his title season or ignoring the current state of the team are not fair, nor accurate.
Same for the team.
Neither side is entirely at fault, it's a mixed bag.
He can continue based on his first season and give him another chance, with maybe a pre season that helps with injuries, that restores the best version of the current players? yes, would be fair too, smart giving the gut feeling that maybe his tiome has come? dunno,
Can he be sacked to create some fresh air enviroment (even if at the end of the day, he does not deserve it), to perhaps (we don't know) avoid a Captain that current sailors maybe think that has lost his plot and are closer to mutiny than following here. While bringing a new general to try to put everyone on line? yes TOO
There is no easy answers here, yet demeriting his title season or ignoring the current state of the team are not fair, nor accurate.
On face value, yes. If you would’ve laid it out for me like it has unfolded, still yes but I’d still want him gone after this season. It’s the consistent downward spiral that’s the final nail in the coffin. He. Doesn’t. Know. How. To. Fix. It. And hasn’t shown one clue either that he “just needs some more time”.
What are you on about?
This century:
3 managers with Ajax: Koeman, Frank de Boer, ETH
2 managers with Feyenoord: van Bronkhorst, Slot
Last decade:
2 managers with Feyenoord, only ETH with Ajax..
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Yeah, praising him for keeping the squad fit last season is especially hilarious given how bad that's been this season. We're consistently outrun, we tire quickly every game, our squad rotation is near enough non-existent and we're suffering injuries far too often.
I don't think we need to say Slot got lucky last season to say it's abundantly clear he's been terrible since and won't be able to turn it around.
Id put your mortgage on that last Liverpool game against Brentford being a high scoring win for them.
Nothing you've said here disputes what I've said?
Did he do a better or worse job of keeping virtually the exact same squad fitter than Klopp the year before?
You won the league with about four or five games to spare. It clearly wasn't luck.
Well you are implying loads of managers win the league with ajax compared with Feyenoord, which is a bit misleading given the facts I provided in my response..
I never said it was luck.
You're arguing in bad faith here but if you seriously believe Arne Slot deserves to stay in this job, you're absolutely insane.
Is it easier to win the league with Ajax or Feyenoord in your opinion?
I think there's a massive sense of entitlement amongst Liverpool fans. 1st and 4th isn't good enough for the man who replaced Klopp.
What does the next manager have to do?
Not play completely awful football, have some sort of identity when we play, stop picking his favourites regardless of form, stop taking mini holidays so he can go back home, start using a squad instead of 12-13 players, stop making excuses every single press conference...
You're being far too simplistic by thinking this is about league positions but considering we've told you it's about far more than that numerous times now, you're either intentionally winding people up or very forgetful.
I’d agree with this.
When ETH or (gulp) Amorim had a decent run of results there was still no clear plan behind it all. No vision the manager had communicated that you could say yeah it’s not working right now but I can see what the target is.
Then when things inevitably turned back to normal (I.e. shit) the fans were left without any hope beyond scraping together some spawny wins whilst still playing like shit.
I’d sack him tomorrow but I hope Liverpool keep him as he’ll be gone by Xmas and that will really disrupt next season too.
With their keeper scoring a 134th minute winner after 2 minutes of added time.
If that was your point, then use other arguments than claiming loads more managers have won titles with ajax than feyenoord.
There are about hunderd arguments which back that claim, yet you pick a flawed one..
Dont blame the messenger your argument was misleading.
Which one should I have picked?
That Ajax has a lot lore money and have won a lot more championships (also this century) for starters
Im probably a bit annoyingly knitpicking though..
Considering Brentford could be in a position they need to lose to qualify for the Champions League, it's very likely.
Feels a bit bullshit that this match is after the EL final
Lost the PSG tie 4-0 and complaining that they were robbed by VAR.
Wow. He's absolutely delusional. That knock-out tie against PSG was as clear-cut a victory as you can expect.
As I said above, sick of his useless excuses.
He was banging on about xG for a few games in a row but now that we aren't even "winning the xG" that's stopped now too. Wonder what his next excuse is.
It seems that beyond his results, meaning his obvious great title season and his mediocre (mostly in terms of actually consolidate the job done before), what annoys the most of many Liverpool fans are his manners, the way he expresses himself regarding what's happening that gives little to zero confidence to many to actually revert the situation
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It's very satisfying to see Liverpool with their own mediocre manager who spouts utter drivel and constantly makes excuses. Really hope they stick with him
It’s not the league position or even results as much as it is the poor football and clueless tactics. That United game is one I’ve watched numerous times as a Liverpool fan this season. We see entire halves of football pass us by.
That's really delusional. PSG battered them. Even last season they battered them (in Paris, was more close at Anfield) and only beat them on penalties. They avoided disaster result both seasons.
He's asking to get sacked with comments like that. Finishing 4th after winning the league last season would've been great job from Klopp's successor but Slot will lose his job because of tactics and maybe comments like this.
While van Gaal was funny, he too was annoying with some of stuff he said. Same for ten Hag. Dutch managers seem to be arrogant and stubborn.