Robertd0803
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Fans have absolutely lost it on social media
I do miss the days of a Arsenal loss and a load of drama on AFTV
Those were the days. Especially after we beat them.
Fans have absolutely lost it on social media
I do miss the days of a Arsenal loss and a load of drama on AFTV
This was coming...
We haven't been good this season. So a loss was due once we ran out of luck.
Just hope that we take this as a wakeup call and actually start playing well.
Negative mindsets, defensive approaches and the mentality of "playing for results or even draws" and not conceding beyond all costs spreads like the plague in a group of players. There is a reason that this type of approach is practically extinct in modern football amongst the top clubs now, except a distinct few that doesn't win much silverware. Most teams try and play football now. If a big part of your game is to play the margins and invite pressure it is risky, and once you get into this mindset it is hard to turn on and off.Arteta is simply too reactive and not proactive. You could see this in the last 20 mins we weren't going to win or even equalise. I am unsure as to why he did not bring Jesus and why bring on a defender for Sterling. Just play 4-4-1 or 4-5-0. Why be so negative, this isn't away at City. He did the same against Brighton at home. Why not just play Nwaneri? The lad looks high on confidence and can handle himself.
I have always said we have great cover for every position. Except Saka and Odegaard. We can do okay without one, not without both. It was a pretty dire show. I hope we improve against Liverpool otherwise we will get punished.
What are you banging on about?Negative mindsets, defensive approaches and the mentality of "playing for results or even draws" and not conceding beyond all costs spreads like the plague in a group of players. There is a reason that this type of approach is practically extinct in modern football amongst the top clubs now, except a distinct few that doesn't win much silverware. Most teams try and play football now. If a big part of your game is to play the margins and invite pressure it is risky, and once you get into this mindset it is hard to turn on and off.
One man down at the Etihad with a one goal lead is all well and good but there was no plan to even attempt to counter or take some initiative back. Just be organised and hope that the other team weren't at their best. That is a mentality thing. And me amongst others thought that it would start to impact you in other games
Hopefully Merino ramps up quickly. But I fear that we are still far too dependent on Partey. Rice cant play that role effectively.It's all just a bit scrappy at the moment. Team lacks a bit of consistency in selection in midfield and up front with injuries and suspensions, everything just seems a bit stop start at the moment and lacking fluidity, and the new signings still aren't up to speed. We'll get there in terms of performances, it's just a question if it will be too little too late in terms of keeping up with City and Liverpool.
I mean that’s a bit hyperbolic. They’re your two best attacking players so of course you’re going to miss them - it doesn’t mean you’d automatically plummet to midtable level because you still have some very good attackers (albeit not on Odegaard/Saka’s level).Hopefully Merino ramps up quickly. But I fear that we are still far too dependent on Partey. Rice cant play that role effectively.
In front 5 we have very few player (only Saka/Odegaard) with vision. Havertz Rice Martinelli Trossard have their strengths but they all need someone to glue them. We need both Saka/Odegaard to play good football. With one we can be decent. Remove both and we are a midtable team at best.
There were murmurs of invincibility amongst their online fanbase. They'll never learn.
There was also talk of them beating Chelsea record of 15 goals conceded.
I am far from sure that they haven’t gone backwards for no other reason that they are getting the injuries to key players added to the fact that they are struggling when faced with pace in the wide areasThought they were definitely winning the league this season?
Thought they were definitely winning the league this season?
They have lacked in central midfield for a while, relied heavily on being good defensively and being physical, when on the ball their midfield is meh.No midfield, no party. When they don’t score it all falls apart. Not playing Jorginho is shocking decisions when you got average players in his position.
They still can, this time last year Man. City were losing at Wolves (and then lost at Arsenal the following weekend). You can lose away games and still win the league.
Keeping 11 men on the pitch is a bigger issue though and will continue to hurt them like yesterday if they don't correct it.
Arsenal are not as good as City though, they don't have that dominance City do.They still can, this time last year Man. City were losing at Wolves (and then lost at Arsenal the following weekend). You can lose away games and still win the league.
Keeping 11 men on the pitch is a bigger issue though and will continue to hurt them like yesterday if they don't correct it.
Negative mindsets, defensive approaches and the mentality of "playing for results or even draws" and not conceding beyond all costs spreads like the plague in a group of players. There is a reason that this type of approach is practically extinct in modern football amongst the top clubs now, except a distinct few that doesn't win much silverware. Most teams try and play football now. If a big part of your game is to play the margins and invite pressure it is risky, and once you get into this mindset it is hard to turn on and off.
One man down at the Etihad with a one goal lead is all well and good but there was no plan to even attempt to counter or take some initiative back. Just be organised and hope that the other team weren't at their best. That is a mentality thing. And me amongst others thought that it would start to impact you in other games
I will always point out that Jorginho is best central midfield for Arsenal. If we take out Odeegard out from this discussion. Partey could have been something but to many injuries. Merino and Rice are not good enough.They have lacked in central midfield for a while, relied heavily on being good defensively and being physical, when on the ball their midfield is meh.
In theory they can - but it wont happen- Arsenal look a weaker side than they were last season. They wont win the league
This is exactly it. Football is full of shitty Guardiola knockoffs and it’s boring as feck.As I've said, whilst Guardiola is here it's useless playing Guardiola football because Guardiola is ultimately the best at it.
When Guardiola leaves then Arteta has a chance of going for the title but by that time I think some new managers like Slot, Maresca or our new manager may have settled in to compete for the title or atleast make their job harder.
Play our own style of football & stop trying to copy another managers tactics.
Agreed.I will always point out that Jorginho is best central midfield for Arsenal. If we take out Odeegard out from this discussion. Partey could have been something but to many injuries. Merino and Rice are not good enough.
The Caf needs to make up it's mind? Half the Caf saying we play negative defensive football, and half the Caf saying we just copy Peps tactics, which is it?As I've said, whilst Guardiola is here it's useless playing Guardiola football because Guardiola is ultimately the best at it.
When Guardiola leaves then Arteta has a chance of going for the title but by that time I think some new managers like Slot, Maresca or our new manager may have settled in to compete for the title or atleast make their job harder.
Play our own style of football & stop trying to copy another managers tactics.
Arsenal are hilarious.
All the talk of the progress they've made and they still have nothing to show for it since they won that FA Cup in Covid. The worst Man United team since the late 80s has won more than them.
They are very similar to that Arsenal side of 2006 - 2011. Loads of very good players but they are so weak.
I look forward to all the Arsenal fans telling stories to their kids and grandkids about the great side that challenged for the title but ultimately failed. A bit like the older guy from Shelbyville in The Simpsons telling the kids about how they bravely fought to keep the lemon tree from Bart, Homer and their mates before they ultimately had it stolen.
We don't have our own style of football. The reason so many teams copy Peps football because it works pretty much everywhere.As I've said, whilst Guardiola is here it's useless playing Guardiola football because Guardiola is ultimately the best at it.
When Guardiola leaves then Arteta has a chance of going for the title but by that time I think some new managers like Slot, Maresca or our new manager may have settled in to compete for the title or atleast make their job harder.
Play our own style of football & stop trying to copy another managers tactics.
We don't play anything like pep football, we are closer to the opposite end of the spectrum.The Caf needs to make up it's mind? Half the Caf saying we play negative defensive football, and half the Caf saying we just copy Peps tactics, which is it?
We don't have our own style of football. The reason so many teams copy Peps football because it works pretty much everywhere.
Yes and those teams were amazingly inconsistent, and it really didn't go well. Looking at season after season neither got close.I don't think it works in the same league as Guardiola though.
When has a team played pep possesion football and been the better team than Pep's City in the UK?
The only team that has competed and won against City have played a different style enough to say that they have their own work of art and system.
Klopp's Liverpool is the only team to actually defeat City and maybe Conte's Chelsea (cant rememberthe date).
None of those would be called clones of Guardiola football.
Which Guardiola like has worked everywhere BTW? I can't really remember any
Yes and those teams were amazingly inconsistent, and it really didn't go well. Looking at season after season neither got close.
Well look at every league, there are possession football teams everywhere.
Because since possession football started really coming to the PL, Pep has been hereAnd who is the most successful?
PSG? Leverkusen?
The fact is whilst Pep is in England trying to play his style of football is not going to be successful, other managers may have been inconsistent but consistently better than every other team trying to play this possesion based football.
Not one possesion based team has been successful in the PL apart from City.
Champions League aswell, apart from City its only really been Madrid, Chelsea & Bayern now for a long time and only maybe could Bayern be levelled out as a 'pep' club but I didn't watch their managers like flick to say he played football that arteta and guardiola are playing.
We don't play anything like pep football, we are closer to the opposite end of the spectrum.
We are still in a very decent position, and that's with people suggesting we aren't playing that well. We do have a tough run coming up, and I've no doubt 1 or 2 negative results and the knives will be out again. We just need to try and get through them not too far adrift of the leading teams. If we can come out the other end of them near the top guys having already been to City, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle and Chelsea then we'd be doing ok.