You say that but last seasons friendly preseason games were an indicator. So maybe they're not as irrelevant as you think.To be fair, it's just a friendly, not really an indication for what is to come. Two areas need strengthening, midfield and central defense and I hope to God we are trying to get more players in. These successful results should not be influencing our desire to improve this squad.
OK, lol, well him staying quite pushes the vidal Meter towards us IMO, and frustrates Juve fans like Ronny did to us no end, if he is staying he needs to say it to placate juve fans, he might really have that verbal agreement, hence the relaxed attitude by him and us.He's said "he's happy to stay" all along. That's GDS story is based on those quotes. Nothing new.
Now get your shit together.
Perfect. I'm glowing with pride right now.OK, lol, well him staying quite pushes the vidal Meter towards us IMO, and frustrates Juve fans like Ronny did to us no end, if he is staying he needs to say it to placate juve fans, he might really have that verbal agreement, hence the relaxed attitude by him and us.
Maybe we are trying to tie other targets up, in the complete assurance of such an agreement so there price does not rocket once we announce how much we are paying for vidal.
How's that for optimism?
Thats our Tom alright..I had a grainy stream and could not make out who the players passing the ball were. Then the secons half started and I saw a player play a first time pass from near the half way line 20 yards back to his defender even though there was no one around him. Then he did the same again a few seconds later. I immediately knew it had to be Cleverley. So I tried to watch the player closely, it turned out I was correct. His lack of balls is amazing. The guy almost feels scared to hold onto the ball. It really is embarrassing. First time pasa and all is fine but he actually makes me feel that he is scared of receiving the ball lest he give it away.
Maybe the journos want to keep the lies going so that they sell more papers and get more clicks? To generate a new story like this will take a fews weeks for them. This story is in its peak. Plus they have been helped by Juve and Vidal's comments.Yet nobody has, despite it being the biggest story of the summer. Embargo?
This.To be fair, it's just a friendly, not really an indication for what is to come. Two areas need strengthening, midfield and central defense and I hope to God we are trying to get more players in. These successful results should not be influencing our desire to improve this squad.
The English journos aren't even reporting it, so that doesn't really add up. It is definitely very odd how little the English press are covering this, compared to the Italians.Maybe the journos want to keep the lies going so that they sell more papers and get more clicks? To generate a new story like this will take a fews weeks for them. This story is in its peak. Plus they have been helped by Juve and Vidal's comments.
2 injuries could change an awful lot. I didn't claim they were irrelevant either but we both know competing to win a premier league is another challenge all together.You say that but last seasons friendly preseason games were an indicator. So maybe they're not as irrelevant as you think.
I get trying to firmly assert your belief that he won't come but seriously 150?! I think 20 would have been enough. There is a chance no matter how remote you may deem it that he will sign for us. If you don't care about 150 quid then fair enough it's your money.I now have a total of £150 of Vidal to stay at Juventus
I initially did it so at least Id win a bit of dough if we didn't manage to land him, but now I actually hope we don't sign him.
Fcuk, I hope he doesn't sign for Liverpool or Bayern!
I'm a gambler, a casual one, but the winnings from a £20 stake would really do nothing for me.I get trying to firmly assert your belief that he won't come but seriously 150?! I think 20 would have been enough. There is a chance no matter how remote you may deem it that he will sign for us. If you don't care about 150 quid then fair enough it's your money.
I think it's a great idea to be honest! If we don't sign Vidal I think my disappointment would be similar to that of losing £150, so it's win win!I get trying to firmly assert your belief that he won't come but seriously 150?! I think 20 would have been enough. There is a chance no matter how remote you may deem it that he will sign for us. If you don't care about 150 quid then fair enough it's your money.
I want to talk about the broader aspect of Man utd transfers and who is to blame if we don't sign players.
People will criticise Woodward for the lack of signings/big signings and will hold LVG as the lord that can do nothing wrong, but this wrong. You have to take into context LVG's transfer background, he like to buy cheap and young players who he can mould. He has a history of avoiding massive signings. He always has a bad transfer record compared to other top managers when he has not had a sporting director. He actually had a massive argument with Bayern Munich''s directors because he did not want to sign any players the following year! I am not saying LVG can't do right, but I am just saying that you should look at history before making a decision.
Woodward on the other hand has done amazing for a person who has had one year in his role, in the biggest club in the world. Has more responsibilities to fulfil then all other clubs (the best in the financial income aspect,but this is a transfer related post). Last year was a blip and Moyes had a significant part in madness from last summer. He has however redeemed himself with a big signing of Mata, Shaw and Herrera. You have to take into consideration that Shaw and Herrera deals happened extremely quickly. Yes, we did have talks before hand about the transfers. However, the Herrera deal is complicated with different clauses and legalities. People will say that we had worked on the transfer for many months. What is there to work on? Herrera wanted to come here and we just had to pay the clause (which was dealt around the 2 weeks before Herrera was signed), there was not negotiations about a fee. One more thing, people blamed Woody for Herrera not coming last season, that is not true! Moyes has a fee in mind for what is Herrera's worth which was around £25m. The clause was £30m. So we did not go with it. The reason why it is not Woody's fault is that the following year, LVG does rate Herrera as a £30m and Woddy paid that fee quicker that you can say "Gerrard is a wan..". People also say how we missed out on Kroos and that we didn't want him. That is absurd. I think that as soon as Real Madrid came into the picture, Kroos wanted to go there (and play CL), so Woody tried to save face and said we didn't want him anyway. Credit to Woody there, even if it was a bit trivial.
LVG said that he was given a list of targets and he instantly wanted Herrera and Luke Shaw as they were quality and he wanted them. Yes, he may want other targets but they need time to negotiate etc. However, Woody says that we can get any player and he is right, but for top players like Hummels-it is down to preference. Would they want more money or be in the CL. Man utd is a huge club and people would come here no matter what, but if you are already in a big club, the move is not as big and so you would rather stay until Man utd offer CL. That is the sad truth and you can't Hide it. We may get him, but that depends on the individual's footballing values.
Now you know the context, this moves me on to Vidal. Reasons why we have not bid yet/got him/will never get him:
-LVG is assessing the squad and still has one month to make a decision if he wants another midfielder.
-LVG thinks he is a GOD and will try to improve the midfielders as he has an inner belief that he can change anyone into world class players, which may backfire.
-LVG actually is confident with the midfield as we are winning a lot of games and are not being overpowered from the games played, again, is extremely naive. But, you never know with this guy.
-LVG has given a valuation of the player which considers his quality and his AGE. Maybe he doesn't want to pay £45m for a player who will be 28. Maybe it is in his footballing values that he buys young players.
-Woody might have relayed the figure quoted by Juve after initial contact 2 months ago, and then LVG told Juve to stick it where the sun don't shine. From then, we may have not contacted them by giving them the silent treatment as out midfield worries is not priority for LVG.
-Vidal has talked to his agent about wanted to move, Man utd have talked to his agent (but not Juve themselves, thus they said they have not contacted Juve about Vidal. Seems dead an buried). Vidal does not want to rule out that he does not want to go, just in case man utd do come with an offer. I think he is doing all that he can without alienating the Juve fans just in case he stays y saying "he is happy to stay"
-With the system that LVG is implementing, there is space for only 2 midfielders, and that required a midfielder of the type of Carrick, Flether, Strootman(will wait for him until he recovers fully) who can dictate play. While another runs alot and closes down space( Herrera). So where does Vidal fit? LVG may think that we have other important areas to fix like the wing backs and defenders. This is unbelievably risky as if Herrera or Fletcher gets injured, we are left with players that are so far down the quality as the first team regular players.
So, don't blame woody as he is given the targets to get AND their valuations. If selling club wants to sell a player higher than the Valuation, things get messy and the MANAGER has the ultimate decision to pay that amount as we have 'unlimited money'. Di Maria for example is reportedly being sold for £60m, that is outrageous and everyone knows he is not worth that amount. FFP is another thing to talk about later. Hummels as a target needs convincing more than anything else as he has no reason to move other than getting paid more, which I don't see him as a player to move for more money. If LVG can convince him of his project, then things can change. It is football at the end of the day.
Although he's a quality player, I feel like the muppet hype about signing him has to do with last year's failures and typical knee jerk response of throwing money at a problem to feel good about ourselves and the future. Much of that can be solved simply by a new manager, new system, and a reinvigorated confidence among the players.As much as I'd have liked him to come, I don't really care anymore. Herrera and Fletcher have been excellent on tour. The tour has shown that our problem has been systemic and not so much an issue with the personnel. it went from the top right through the club.
There might be one or two more signings but I am pretty sure nobody will care if we continue to progress under Van Gaal.
No ones really blaming Woody for anything transfer related, unless you're an idiot. The main reason why we didn't sign well last summer is simply because everything happened at once. HUGE changes in the club. Also, which has been mentioned a lot, I think top players didn't want to play under Moyes.From a newbie....