Auction Draft Chaos 2021 R1 - Himannv vs Gio

[2mufc0]

Himannv

VS

Gio

Himannv Tactics

Formation

Tactics

The Special One - Tribute to the newly unemployed Jose Mourinho

Spoiler: Chelsea 2006 formation and tactics

Chelsea 2006 formation

Playing style:

• Back 4 are good defenders first - both one-on-one and as a unit.
• Makelele shields the defence - Essien is the defensive B2B - Lamps is the attacking B2B/AM.
• Wide attackers need to work hard in his systems ideally - he wants tracking back and off the ball movement. Having said that, he also wants them to play as wide forwards and be involved heavily in attacks.
• Drogba leads the line and runs into the spaces, while also holding the ball up and competing physically for every ball. He occupies both CBs and that was key to their play.
• Strong spine of Cech - Terry - Makelele - Lamps - Drogba.
• The team always challenge for the ball in defensive transition - competing physically and breaking down attacks.
• In attacking transitions, get the ball moving towards the opponent's goal, as quickly as possible, before the other team has done its job of marking and closing down.

Player roles:

Took this off some Sports Interactive forum (it's accurate enough).



https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/422504-josé-mourinhos-0405-chelsea-tactical-philosophy/

I've been meaning to try a Jose team for some time. I think the players all suit their roles here. Some are exact replacements, for example, Makelele in the Makelele role and Drogba reprising his role up front. Netzer plays the Lampard role and I think his goal scoring record is comparable plus he also is more creative and a real tank of a player. Ferri and McGrath are also comparable with Terry and Carvalho and I think this is a nice pairing that will suit Jose's tactics. The wide attackers are both hardworking and cut in as per the usual Jose tactics. It's not meant to be a like-for-like team to Chelsea 2006 but it's a similar tactic and meant to function in a similar way.



Gio Tactics

Key points:

• The team is packed with specialists in key positions that make a 3-5-2 work. Marshalling the defence we have a top libero in Sammer in his Ballon D'Or winning role (one of only three defenders to ever win this award), flanked by two physical man-markers well versed in a back 3 system. Buchwald's man-marking pedigree and physical stature make him a great fit to keep tabs on Rummenigge - no easy task of course, but physically and positionally they're well matched. On the flanks textbook attacking wing-backs in Cafu and Roberto Carlos replicate their 2002 World Cup winning partnership. Both have pace and technical quality in spades, balancing the team with a constant threat in wide-areas.
  
  
• In midfield Mascherano will act as the teams destroyer, utilising his energy, hard-tackling and positional intelligence to keep tabs on Netzer. Replicating his dynamic box-to-box role (runner-up in the Ballon d'Or, 1-in-2 goal record for Bayern) Breitner will be given freedom to break forward to utilise his goal scoring strengths. The prodigious talent of Zidane rounds of a balanced midfield unit brimming with physicality, goal-threat and creativity.
  
  
• Our front-two provide premium goal-threat as well as hard-graft and high-energy pressing from the front. In a fluid second striker role the non-stop movement of Kempes looks a natural fit roaming across the park, whilst his back-to-back Pichichi credentials speak to his threat in front of goal. Partnering Kempes is Europe’s greatest goal-scorer of all in Gerd Muller, his movement off the ball is arguably the best of all time and fed by Zidane it looks like a devastating partnership which could decide the game.

 

[2mufc0]

Good luck @Gio @Himannv

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

For me, the most impressive piece of drafting here is Souness for Essien. Can't think of a better player as a replacement. Come to think of it, even Netzer for Lampard is quite smart. Wouldn't have been the first names that come to mind if I was recreating that Chelsea team, so well done.

Gio's team, well not much to say. A juggernaut as usual. It feel like he was on 800 mn and the rest of us on 700 mn.

Hopefully some good debate for the rest of us to read through.

 

[Gio]

All the best @Himannv. Nice 4-3-3 this. And thanks for the positive comments GSTQ.

For the record and in the interests of transparency I’ve teamed up with Theon on this one.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I've been staring at the formation for some time now. Can't make up my mind. This is tough.

Though a good fit both in style and tactics, I've never rated Masch that highly.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I've never rated Masch that highly.

I have always thought he was quite underrated to be honest.

If he was still playing, I wouldn't be surprised if @Šjor Bepo picked him ahead of Casemiro for his modern active players team.

 

[Synco]

Really good teams, had both ranked top 3.

As for Himann's team, Armfield is a great choice for a Mourinho team. With mutual support, this flank seems well covered against Carlos and whoever joins him there. Cafu is still on another level (imo), but my picture of Stoichkov is one of a grafter who can support Brehme well. It helps that both of Gio's WBs are the only true wide threats in that system.

I don't really see Netzer in a Lampard role tbh, he wasn't as much a modern, disciplined system player. (Although definitely not as lazy as he's sometimes made out to have been.) Overath may perhaps be closer when it comes to the German midfield maestros. But I think this midfield would work brilliantly in a 6 + 6/8 + classical 10 way. Then again, that's not exactly the Mourinho way (although I'm aware it's not supposed to be a total replica), and I wonder what that means against the ball.

Gio's team is just really well built, don't think I need to say much. Zidane/Müller/Kempes + Breitner and the WBs are a lot for Himann's team to deal with against the ball. Insofar it's pretty cool that Himann chose to go all Mourinho (including a fantastic counter force), which makes this match a really interesting showdown.

 

[Gio]

@Edgar Allan Pillow Yes, aside from what he brings individually, part of the thinking behind Mascherano was (a) he is a neat stylistic fit in the midfield performing a Deschamps-esque job for Zidane and Breitner, and (b) his experience of playing at centre-half for Barcelona, allowing him to naturally cover for Sammer's runs forward.

Sammer himself already has a proven partnership with Buchwald from their Stuttgart days together:

By the early-1990s Buchwald – now a player that was used in all defensive positions, even that of sweeper - had become the all-commanding presence in the Stuttgart team, forming a vital tandem with Matthias Sammer in the 1991-92 Bundesliga championship winning campaign.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

@Edgar Allan Pillow Yes, aside from what he brings individually, part of the thinking behind Mascherano was (a) he is a neat stylistic fit in the midfield performing a Deschamps-esque job for Zidane and Breitner, and (b) his experience of playing at centre-half for Barcelona, allowing him to naturally cover for Sammer's runs forward.

Yeah, as I said I have no problems with his positionally or with his skills set. I've felt him to be a meh player with inability to impose himself in any phase of the game. The drop back ability is something that will definitely be useful in this match.

 

[Gio]

Not a lot of action in here, so something on the Zidane - Muller dynamic. This video here showcases how that would work really well I'd say.



It's the combination of types of service here - the threaded passes, the hanging crosses, the deliveries across the 6-yard box. All the sort of stuff that Muller would relish. David Trezeguet is the most frequent beneficiary in the video, but you can ratchet that up a couple of notches with Gerd Muller attacking those balls.

Zidane in the hole and peeling into the inside-left channel, Breitner peeling into the inside-right channel - both targeting Muller with their deliveries. Both generating multiple angles of attack, particularly with the calibre of Cafu and Carlos outside them.

And then some of the combinations you get with Muller linking up with Kempes too, whose busy style should occupy defenders to create space. As such Kempes, Zidane and Carlos ganging up on the weaker Armfield/Ferri side of the opposition defence could be decisive. Muller showcases a lot of that football best I reckon in this compilation. Some lovely build up and typically ruthless and instinctive goalscoring.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

As much as I'd love to vote for Himannv's really well thought out team, going for Gio here.

His setup works well in defending against Kalle and Stoichkov IMO. And I really like the Kempes and Mascherano picks here.

@2mufc0 - I have a suggestion, please have at least 4 teams in playoffs. There are too many good losing teams this time and I think everyone deserves a second chance. 3 games to decide 1 team might be a stretch, but I think the quater finalists can wait.

 

[Theon]

Yeah, as I said I have no problems with his positionally or with his skills set. I've felt him to be a meh player with inability to impose himself in any phase of the game. The drop back ability is something that will definitely be useful in this match.

Come on EAP! Happy to hear you out but you’ll have to explain to me how Mascherano is unable to impose himself in the defensive phase of the game. As a midfield ball-winner he was the best of the past 20 years along with Kante and Gattuso (who wasn’t as good positonally or on the ball as Mascherano) and he’s proven himself equally adept defensively in terms of reading the game whilst carving out a role as a Guardiola centre back. His whole schtick for the entirety of his career has been as a tenacious warrior of a player with the physicality and intelligence to dominate in the defensive phase of the game. To say he can’t contribute is properly off the mark. You don’t become Argentina’s all time highest capped player (and their best player in a run to the World Cup final) or play 300+ times for the greatest club side in European football if you can’t contribute to either phase of the game. It’s way off.

 

[2mufc0]

As much as I'd love to vote for Himannv's really well thought out team, going for Gio here.

His setup works well in defending against Kalle and Stoichkov IMO. And I really like the Kempes and Mascherano picks here.

@2mufc0 - I have a suggestion, please have at least 4 teams in playoffs. There are too many good losing teams this time and I think everyone deserves a second chance. 3 games to decide 1 team might be a stretch, but I think the quater finalists can wait.

I agree scrappy but it's upto the managers to decide, if you could organise a vote I don't mind.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I agree scrappy but it's upto the managers to decide, if you could organise a vote I don't mind.

Considering @harms has contributed in all threads and is a neutral, he can pick the 4 best ones or you anyways have your seedings

 

[2mufc0]

Considering @harms has contributed in all threads and is a neutral, he can pick the 4 best ones or you anyways have your seedings

We can use the seedings but what I meant is whether the losing managers want to keep playing and winning managers want to wait for a few more games.

 

[harms]

Considering @harms has contributed in all threads and is a neutral, he can pick the 4 best ones or you anyways have your seedings

Tell me what to do if you need me to do anything.

 

[Synco]

Honestly couldn't make out a winner here. Was tending towards Gio by inches, as Müller was one of the very few genuine cheat codes in football history. But then going back looking at Himann's team, I had to call it a draw.

@GodShaveTheQueen
I'm fine with waiting a bit more on the QFs, for me the play-off mode is up to the managers concerned.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

@GodShaveTheQueen
I'm fine with waiting a bit more on the QFs, for me the play-off mode is up to the managers concerned

I am as well. The games for a change have had active threads, so should be good.

I have extra motive as I am struck in quarantine for at least 1 more week and could add them to my list of activities sitting alone

 

[Jim Beam]

I wanted to write how you to end up facing each other and then remembered we put all the teams in the randomiser for the ranking

Great job, both of you, called it a draw.

 

[2mufc0]

The match ups were not seeded.

 

[Jim Beam]

The match ups were not seeded.

I read that in Michael voice.

Ok, harsh draw then. Same with Mustard and Synco while scrappy had a walkover.

 

[Himannv]

Well played, Gio. Was always going to be tough going up against those star names.

Only just been able to comment here. Real life has me in too many knots at the moment. I was actually planning to drop out even if I won this so the result would be a Gio win no matter what. Good luck all of you, really enjoyed this draft and I love me a good auction.

 

[2mufc0]

Well played, Gio. Was always going to be tough going up against those star names.

Only just been able to comment here. Real life has me in too many knots at the moment. I was actually planning to drop out even if I won this so the result would be a Gio win no matter what. Good luck all of you, really enjoyed this draft and I love me a good auction.

Hope all is well, thanks for taking part.

 

[Himannv]

I don't really see Netzer in a Lampard role tbh, he wasn't as much a modern, disciplined system player. (Although definitely not as lazy as he's sometimes made out to have been.) Overath may perhaps be closer when it comes to the German midfield maestros. But I think this midfield would work brilliantly in a 6 + 6/8 + classical 10 way. Then again, that's not exactly the Mourinho way (although I'm aware it's not supposed to be a total replica), and I wonder what that means against the ball.

I got the impression that he was a really tank of a player and hard to shake off the ball at times. His goal and assist record compares favourably as well. I think he's not a like-for-like player but a good fit for the tactics as an AM/Attacking B2B in a Mourinho team.

@harms I reckon you've watched him more based on your posts on him. What do you reckon?

 

[harms]

I got the impression that he was a really tank of a player and hard to shake off the ball at times. His goal and assist record compares favourably as well. I think he's not a like-for-like player but a good fit for the tactics as an AM/Attacking B2B in a Mourinho team.

@harms I reckon you've watched him more based on your posts on him. What do you reckon?

Personally I think that he’s a good fit. He wasn’t really a hardworking player but he did a lot of stuff in the middle and it’s hard to find a better creative/goalscoring presence in this kinda number 10 role.

 

[Synco]

I got the impression that he was a really tank of a player and hard to shake off the ball at times. His goal and assist record compares favourably as well. I think he's not a like-for-like player but a good fit for the tactics as an AM/Attacking B2B in a Mourinho team.

@harms I reckon you've watched him more based on your posts on him. What do you reckon?

Personally I think that he’s a good fit. He wasn’t really a hardworking player but he did a lot of stuff in the middle and it’s hard to find a better creative/goalscoring presence in this kinda number 10 role.

My main doubt was how well he'd fit Mou's defensive fetish. As I said, I think Overath would be pretty much spot on against the ball. His workrate was a main factor for keeping Netzer out of the NT during most of their prime. (In 1972, Overath had an injury prior to the tournament and decided not to participate.)

Another thing that may be discussed is how well these ball-dominant classic #10s fit the more collective attacking style of modern times. That was actually the reason I sold Overath at a loss and paid 90m for Luisito, who seemed more suited for the fast passing style of a Messi team to me than the German.


Edit: And to be clear, that point was only about the Chelsea 2005 theme, not in general. As I said in that post, the midfield as such fits very well in terms of player types imo.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

Don't think Lampard did too much off the ball as well