Aurelien Tchouameni | signs new contract til 2031, to be official after the World Cup

He's a good player in a system with 2 additional midfielders that will push the game forward. If he's tasked with typical "2 man midfield" duties, he is pretty average and definitely not worth the money Madrid / he wants to play here.

He might be good technically but he thinks / makes decisions too slow.
 
Cassidy said:
What is he good at, very simple question. You seem to like him so surely you have reasons?
We wanted him before he went to Madrid and I saw good reason back then
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What difference would it make? You're not going to agree with that poster, any way. There are hundreds of scouting reports or analysis on him on the internet, if you want to know what he's good at, you can look it up very quickly.

He is a decent passer and recycles the ball well, able to hold on to it and resist the press quite well, very strong, a beast aerially and very good positioning and defensive reading of the game. He is not some fancy CDM that will dribble past three midfielders like Pogba and finish in the top corner, but he is a solid defensive midfielder. There is this concept made on here that he is shit because he didn't develop into this metronome Kroos-like midfielder that he was never going to be in the first place, and because he's just "solid", he's not good enough for us. Which is quite frankly laughable.
 
Trigestis said:
What difference would it make? You're not going to agree with that poster, any way. There are hundreds of scouting reports or analysis on him on the internet, if you want to know what he's good at, you can look it up very quickly.

He is a decent passer and recycles the ball well, able to hold on to it and resist the press quite well, very strong, a beast aerially and very good positioning and defensive reading of the game. He is not some fancy CDM that will dribble past three midfielders like Pogba and finish in the top corner, but he is a solid defensive midfielder. There is this concept made on here that he is shit because he didn't develop into this metronome Kroos-like midfielder that he was never going to be in the first place, and because he's just "solid", he's not good enough for us. Which is quite frankly laughable.
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I asked because I wanted to know what people who wanted him, wanted him for. Its not about changing anyones mind.

I personally have not seen a midfielder we sign do well when they are not very good at playing forward passes. Nothing to do with dribbling past 3 players or any of that nonsense. Being solid and safe with the ball has not worked well at United
 
Cassidy said:
I asked because I wanted to know what people who wanted him, wanted him for. Its not about changing anyones mind.

I personally have not seen a midfielder we sign do well when they are not very good at playing forward passes. Nothing to do with dribbling past 3 players or any of that nonsense. Being solid and safe with the ball has not worked well at United
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I'm not denying that Anderson is probably the flavour of the month, however feel Fernandes could provide a similar profile and this guy is just there to stop people waltzing through our midfield at will
 
When I first seen him at Monaco, I instantly liked him I liked his unselfishness could see mix of makelele and vieira in him - in all honesty I haven’t watched much European football in last while so have only seen odd games and clips of him over last couple of years but tonight I seen what I thought he could possibly become (again haven’t seen enough I don’t know how consistent) but what I also seen is a perfect Mourinho midfielder. I’m sure if there’s away of the Valverde situation being swept under the carpet - Jose won’t want him leaving but if he is for leaving and puts in nice performances like that the value will continue to go up.
 
croadyman said:
I'm not denying that Anderson is probably the flavour of the month, however feel Fernandes could provide a similar profile and this guy is just there to stop people waltzing through our midfield at will
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Forget Anderson. He isn't worth 120m
For a pure DM sure, but he needs to be on the cheaper end then and not asking for high wages.

Maybe Madrid are not using him the right way and he can be progressive and less passive with the ball, but I very much doubt anyone who isn’t very good with the ball is going to do well in our team especially as we will likely dominate a lot of games
 
It's like this World Cup will be a revelation and not the people pointing out his issues throughout the thread.

Let's see where it takes us in terms of views about him.
 
Fortitude said:
It's like this World Cup will be a revelation and not the people pointing out his issues throughout the thread.

Let's see where it takes us in terms of views about him.
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My view won't change however he plays in World Cup
 
Cassidy said:
I would prefer we signed Nmecha
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I think Tchouameni suits us more. We already signed an allrounder, who is best as a box-to-box, in Ederson. And Mainoo is also best used as an 8. We are strongly linked to Mateus Fernandes who is another allrounder type, but capable to play DLP as well, yet lacks physique. So, what we really need is a classic DM like Tchouameni who is tall, can sit deep, win aerial duels, dictate tempo, cover the defenders but also can play long passes. The others can play more freely. We can combine him with anyone of the three and it would be a great match. It's not that Nmecha couldn't play that role. He has got his qualities. But signing 3 allrounders would worry me. Also the fact that he's a Bundesliga player from Dortmund (I have my prejudices).
 
aeh1991 said:
I think Tchouameni suits us more. We already signed an allrounder, who is best as a box-to-box, in Ederson. And Mainoo is also best used as an 8. We are strongly linked to Mateus Fernandes who is another allrounder type, but capable to play DLP as well, yet lacks physique. So, what we really need is a classic DM like Tchouameni who is tall, can sit deep, win aerial duels, dictate tempo, cover the defenders but also can play long passes. The others can play more freely. We can combine him with anyone of the three and it would be a great match. It's not that Nmecha couldn't play that role. He has got his qualities. But signing 3 allrounders would worry me. Also the fact that he's a Bundesliga player from Dortmund (I have my prejudices).
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He has been written off in here after performance tonight, well apart from me but I'm very much in the minority
 
croadyman said:
He has been written off in here after performance tonight, well apart from me but I'm very much in the minority
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Insane watching football this way :lol:

He wasn't even poor, against a strong side and continental champion, but basing player jugements of international football has always been asinine.

You'd think us getting burnt in the past grom signing players off a good world cup would internalize that for us but evidently not
 
Rolaholic said:
Insane watching football this way :lol:

He wasn't even poor, against a strong side and continental champion, but basing player jugements of international football has always been asinine.

You'd think us getting burnt in the past grom signing players off a good world cup would internalize that for us but evidently not
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Yeah remember when we bought Kleberson after 2002 World Cup. They will be happy in the end as there's no chance he will want to leave Real unfortunately. What are your thoughts on Camavinga on a loan with option to buy basis just out of interest. Surely someone is leaving to make way for Fernandez or Nmecha
 
croadyman said:
Yeah remember when we bought Kleberson after 2002 World Cup. They will be happy in the end as there's no chance he will want to leave Real unfortunately. What are your thoughts on Camavinga on a loan with option to buy basis just out of interest. Surely someone is leaving to make way for Fernandez or Nmecha
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If that's a possibility I'd definitely take that.

He'd add some quality to the midfield while also giving us a versatile, swiss army knife sort of player who can provide auxiliary support at a number of positions if need be.

Just feel like if he leaves it'll likely be permanent, their midfield room is becoming crowded.
 
Rolaholic said:
If that's a possibility I'd definitely take that.

He'd add some quality to the midfield while also giving us a versatile, swiss army knife sort of player who can provide auxiliary support at a number of positions if need be.

Just feel like if he leaves it'll likely be permanent, their midfield room is becoming crowded.
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Yeah I can't see Real accepting a loan either, however with the injury problems it's a smart idea. After all they accepted a loan offer from Arsenal for Odegaard initially. Ornstein did say this deal was one to watch back in May so let's hope an unexpected opportunity arrives after World Cup.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah remember when we bought Kleberson after 2002 World Cup. They will be happy in the end as there's no chance he will want to leave Real unfortunately. What are your thoughts on Camavinga on a loan with option to buy basis just out of interest. Surely someone is leaving to make way for Fernandez or Nmecha
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This doesn't bolster your case. Kleberson was a shadow of his former self when he played for us.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
This doesn't bolster your case. Kleberson was a shadow of his former self when he played for us.
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Not trying to make my case just replying to what @Rolaholic said about not buying players after World Cups. I know we are probably the only two people in this whole thread who actually want to sign him and that's totally fine
 
Really happy to see posts from others who don’t really get it.

£80m for this? He’s so limited.
 
Phil said:
Really happy to see posts from others who don’t really get it.

£80m for this? He’s so limited.
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For reference, who are the comparable players in that role at the top end of the PL and are they doing anything more spectacular with the ball than Tchouameni? I'm thinking Zubimendi, Caicedo, Gravenberch maybe?

Obviously Rodri is in a league of his own.
 
He could have a brilliant game during this World Cup and most in here would still pick faults in performance
 
Loves sideways passing, doesn't he? In Argentina game, every single player in their backline and midfield were passing forward and they looked really good as a unit in the buildup while France looked devoid of ideas at times with their midfield unable to progress in the same way.
 
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It’s nice to hear views like this. Fair play to @Cassidy for giving what feels like an honest assessment rather than just following the current narrative.

It also reinforces my belief that a lot of posters base their opinions on reputation rather than actually watching the player, which is why I still think Baleba is our best option at No. 6.

What I do wonder, though, is what some people actually expect from a No. 6. He does his job well. He’s not meant to be an all-action midfielder, and he’s never been that type of player for Madrid or France.

That said, I do think he has more to offer going forward. The thing is, he reads the game so well that he probably sees attacking as wasted energy when he can influence the game from deeper areas.

It’s similar to how we saw a different side of Casemiro when he arrived here. I’ve always believed there’s a better player in Tchouameni than the one we regularly see for Madrid and France. The Premier League feels like the perfect environment for him to show that.

As @croadyman mentioned, we saw at Monaco that there’s more to his game than people give him credit for.
 
croadyman said:
He has been written off in here after performance tonight, well apart from me but I'm very much in the minority
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Nothing to do with tonight. Fundamentally what I want from my DM he does not offer.

He is a good player just not a United one in my opinion. Especially considering the wages he would command
 
aeh1991 said:
I think Tchouameni suits us more. We already signed an allrounder, who is best as a box-to-box, in Ederson. And Mainoo is also best used as an 8. We are strongly linked to Mateus Fernandes who is another allrounder type, but capable to play DLP as well, yet lacks physique. So, what we really need is a classic DM like Tchouameni who is tall, can sit deep, win aerial duels, dictate tempo, cover the defenders but also can play long passes. The others can play more freely. We can combine him with anyone of the three and it would be a great match. It's not that Nmecha couldn't play that role. He has got his qualities. But signing 3 allrounders would worry me. Also the fact that he's a Bundesliga player from Dortmund (I have my prejudices).
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Btw Ederson excelled as a 6 for Atalanta before transitioning to a defensive minded 8. I think he is a very good Casemiro replacement. Casemiro also had responsibility to progress the ball, like Carrick and Matic. Maybe people are also not considering Mainoos passing range also needs some work
 
@croadyman by the way. I am not saying he us a bad player, don’t miss understand me. Just I don’t think he has the personality to be a United 6, far too passive with the ball and I very much doubt Madrid are asking him to play that way. Casemiro was far from passive with the ball whilst there. Of course I could be wrong, but for shelling out on a player of his profile, would rather these doubts were not there
 
Nep77 said:
Loves sideways passing, doesn't he? In Argentina game, every single player in their backline and midfield were passing forward and they looked really good as a unit in the buildup while France looked devoid of ideas at times with their midfield unable to progress in the same way.
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Actually, France has been playing like that for the last decade under Deschamp. France is more of a defensive unit with very very spectacular moments from their world class attackers especially Mbappe, Griezeman, Dembele..etc. They just lets their attacker do their thing because they know that one slipping moments from opposition players, they will punish them. They are just that ruthless.
 
Reyoji-Utd said:
Actually, France has been playing like that for the last decade under Deschamp. France is more of a defensive unit with very very spectacular moments from their world class attackers especially Mbappe, Griezeman, Dembele..etc. They just lets their attacker do their thing because they know that one slipping moments from opposition players, they will punish them. They are just that ruthless.
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Would still expect him to be getting the ball to the attackers more in this setup. Granted he is not Pogba but still expect more passes into Olisie for one
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
It’s nice to hear views like this. Fair play to @Cassidy for giving what feels like an honest assessment rather than just following the current narrative.

It also reinforces my belief that a lot of posters base their opinions on reputation rather than actually watching the player, which is why I still think Baleba is our best option at No. 6.

What I do wonder, though, is what some people actually expect from a No. 6. He does his job well. He’s not meant to be an all-action midfielder, and he’s never been that type of player for Madrid or France.

That said, I do think he has more to offer going forward. The thing is, he reads the game so well that he probably sees attacking as wasted energy when he can influence the game from deeper areas.

It’s similar to how we saw a different side of Casemiro when he arrived here. I’ve always believed there’s a better player in Tchouameni than the one we regularly see for Madrid and France. The Premier League feels like the perfect environment for him to show that.

As @croadyman mentioned, we saw at Monaco that there’s more to his game than people give him credit for.
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I think he's very solid defensively, and he's a defensive midfielder type of #6. He is NOT a Casemiro* replacement, who was always faster to release the ball and push the game forward - at both Madrid and United. Tchoumeni is "pass it to the closest player" kind of #6, which is OK in some setups, but I promise you this is not what United fans expect if he lands here. Based on reputation, seeing highlights of occasional good pass, whatever. IMO people have a wrong image of him.

He is a good player. He is not ideal for us, and considering the fee and salary we would need to pay it's a pass from me.

*by the way I think Casemiro is still seen as a defensive midfielder amongst United fans, what is funny in a way because he was one of the most "dribbled past" players last season, and also his contribution to our general play and goals is far more than a simple DM in the mould of Tchouameni.

Cassidy said:
Nothing to do with tonight. Fundamentally what I want from my DM he does not offer.

He is a good player just not a United one in my opinion. Especially considering the wages he would command
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Exactly. This wasn't even a bad performance from Tchoumeni, this is how he plays.
People expect he will come here and we'll just ask him to "pass it forward more" because he apparently "has it in his locker". But he's not that type of player. He's closer to "CB playing in midfield" type of #6. I also don't think we are interested in a pure #6, and for a good reason.
 
The France midfield looked woeful against Senegal and while it's not all on him but also on Rabiot he is part of the problem. I don't think we should consider either of these two and am really happy we didn't sign Rabiot last summer despite all the rumors.
 
Reyoji-Utd said:
Actually, France has been playing like that for the last decade under Deschamp. France is more of a defensive unit with very very spectacular moments from their world class attackers especially Mbappe, Griezeman, Dembele..etc. They just lets their attacker do their thing because they know that one slipping moments from opposition players, they will punish them. They are just that ruthless.
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France hasn't been a defensive team since the Euro. It has actually been the flaw.
 
Heard that Mourinho prefers Valverde than him. And with Madrid keeping an eye on Rodri, maybe Tchouameni will be off.

Nevertheless, he is not a 80-90M player. Not at all.

Powerful, resistant, ok for the first pass, but not the extra quality that would make us champion next year.
 
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