Aurelien Tchouameni | signs new contract til 2031, to be official after the World Cup

croadyman said:
OK I understand that so who should we sign in that six role who has the progressive passing ability too. You must have some realistic targets in mind so would like to hear who they are. Maybe then I could at least understand where everyone else is coming from a bit.
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Based on what the forum want. It has to be Adam Wharton. But whoever you pray to, help us if we don’t dominate possession.

It probably could work with Ederson. But Ederson would have to play the majority of the games. It would be Ederson and either of the others. So the fans would moan about that too.

But eitherway we need a 6 and if fans want more from their 6 then spin it back 10 months and let’s all be Baleba’s again.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
Based on what the forum want. It has to be Adam Wharton. But help us if we don’t dominate possession.

It probably could work with Ederson. But Ederson would have to play the majority of the games. It would be Ederson and either of the others. So the fans would moan about that too.

But eitherway we need a 6 and if fans want more from their 6 then spin it back 10 months and let’s all be Baleba’s again.
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The Caf believe Wharton is another Kobbie
 
Fortitude said:
You’re talking about a marquee signing that would cost an absolute fortune. Do you expect to make compromises with marquee signings? If the answer to that is yes, why would you shoot yourself in the foot like that? Tchouameni is not some cheap throwaway - you go through with it, you have an extremely expensive player who doesn’t complete the briefs of the role whom you’re then going to have to accommodate him and his shortcomings for absolutely no reason.

At that level of expense, players are supposed to complete you not add more problems or things you instantly need workarounds for.
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I take your point on the expense front and there are certainly limits on just how much I'd be willing to spend on Tchouameni, and perhaps more pertinently how much I'd be willing to pay him in wages. If he's asking for more than 300k a week I'd say we should forget it, and it's entirely possible that he will indeed be asking for that much.

I just believe that, unfortunately, there aren't any midfielders who we can sign this summer where you aren't compromising on something. Even Elliot Anderson, who is also a feck-off expensive player, comes with compromises - you sign him and you have to accept there will be times where he chases after the ball when he should sit, and there will be times where he's too ambitious with his passing.

The alternative is that we go for cheaper options in the hope that they're good enough to keep us at a level where, if a truly elite player does become available, we're still in the conversation. I don't think that's without risk, though.
 
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Mmm-Qatarian said:
I take your point on the expense front and there are certainly limits on just how much I'd be willing to spend on Tchouameni, and perhaps more pertinently how much I'd be willing to pay him in wages. If he's asking for more than 300k a week I'd say we should forget it, and it's entirely possible that he will indeed be asking for that much.

I just believe that, unfortunately, there aren't any midfielders who we can sign this summer where you aren't compromising on someone. Even Elliot Anderson, who is also a feck-off expensive player, comes with compromises - you sign him and you have to accept there will be times where he chases after the ball when he should sit, and there will be times where he's too ambitious with his passing.

The alternative is that we go for cheaper options in the hope that they're good enough to keep us at a level where, if a truly elite player does become available, we're still in the conversation. I don't think that's without risk, though.
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Oh yeah big fan as I am we still shouldn't pay him £300k a week, IF by some miracle he was open to move I would say £250k with incentive opportunities to reach that figure
 
There must be some reasons why Jose apparently doesn’t fancy him even before walking in and taking charge of Madrid’s squad. I don’t know much about the player at all but i feel the Caftards here who want him are just mainly attracted by a big name. I prefer to seek the opinions of Madrid fans who have watch him over his years there, and it isn’t exactly glowing
 
SATA said:
There must be some reasons why Jose apparently doesn’t fancy him even before walking in and taking charge of Madrid’s squad. I don’t know much about the player at all but i feel the Caftards here who want him are just mainly attracted by a big name. I prefer to seek the opinions of Madrid fans who have watch him over his years there, and it isn’t exactly glowing
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Yeah totally written off by their fanbase and majority of ours, only a small minority like myself still believe in him
 
croadyman said:
He's now been written off like Ederson and Summerville which makes me a bit worried where to go now
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The CAF write everyone off.

For the CAF to really like a player, they have to be obscure enough where there is hope, so Portuguese/Eredivisie/Bundesliga/Ligue 1. The player has to never have been linked with us ( so its a leap of faith) and have good youtube clips.

Alternatively, it can also be a galactico or overly media praised talents that costs a lot of money.

However, when you look at successful signings that have had an impact in Europe's top leagues over the past 5 years, its usually a Premier League, La Liga or Serie A signing who plays for a mid table club. A player like Vitinha, Odegaard, Olise, Rafinha, Rodri, Semenyo, Tonali, Caceido, Guehi etc. Even with the expensive ones like Rice, there are a lot of people that didn't think he would be as good as he's been for Arsenal.

Point is, people prefer to see what they can wonder about more than what they think they know about. We also have a tendency to underestimate the Premier League teams around us. Mbuemo and Cunha are proof of the gems that exist within the league.

The other part of this, is that our fans are still stuck in the 2000's idea of looking at football. Its a squad game (tbf, its always been that way, even for us under Ferguson). City have been able to win with high point averages because they can sustain good performances week in week out due to the quality of their squad. Liverpool, despite having relatively average midfields have kept up with them due to the same thing. Arsenal lost Saka for most of the season, yet won the league with a squad of players that none of the attacking players were fantastic. Why? because they could maintain good performances every week. People overrate the value of superstar performances. Its great to have that in your locker, but winning the league is based on your floor, not your ceiling.

As a fanbase, its like noone learnt anything from our 10/11-12/13 squads.

In regard to what I'd like to see. I don't want Tchouemeni due to the potential price tag. I think Mateus Fernandes offers us more of a complete player ( which is more important for a 2 man base in midfield). I think him and Ederson are enough for now in midfield. If we can i'd pick up a really cheap or free third midfielder. I like the idea of Sommerville and I don't see Dorgu as a winger. Sommerville gives us flexibility on the left. Finally, I'd get a left back who is athletic that can contribute to the attack. A left back with a good first touch, which would help in our build up play. I think Mbuemo and Cunha can both back up Sesko. I'd also give Chido Obi and Shea Lacey a crack at entering the squad. I do think we'll see growth from both Amad and Sesko this season. I don't think we need a CB, but I do think we need to give Heaven a chance to be one of the starting 2 with Yoro and De Ligt competing to start with him. I actually think Martinez as a utility man would be great. I think there is more to him as a DM and If thought out properly, he could cover a multitude of roles from CB to Left Back to DM and get a lot of games.
 
tjb said:
The CAF write everyone off.

For the CAF to really like a player, they have to be obscure enough where there is hope, so Portuguese/Eredivisie/Bundesliga/Ligue 1. The player has to never have been linked with us ( so its a leap of faith) and have good youtube clips.

Alternatively, it can also be a galactico or overly media praised talents that costs a lot of money.

However, when you look at successful signings that have had an impact in Europe's top leagues over the past 5 years, its usually a Premier League, La Liga or Serie A signing who plays for a mid table club. A player like Vitinha, Odegaard, Olise, Rafinha, Rodri, Semenyo, Tonali, Caceido, Guehi etc. Even with the expensive ones like Rice, there are a lot of people that didn't think he would be as good as he's been for Arsenal.

Point is, people prefer to see what they can wonder about more than what they think they know about. We also have a tendency to underestimate the Premier League teams around us. Mbuemo and Cunha are proof of the gems that exist within the league.

The other part of this, is that our fans are still stuck in the 2000's idea of looking at football. Its a squad game (tbf, its always been that way, even for us under Ferguson). City have been able to win with high point averages because they can sustain good performances week in week out due to the quality of their squad. Liverpool, despite having relatively average midfields have kept up with them due to the same thing. Arsenal lost Saka for most of the season, yet won the league with a squad of players that none of the attacking players were fantastic. Why? because they could maintain good performances every week. People overrate the value of superstar performances. Its great to have that in your locker, but winning the league is based on your floor, not your ceiling.

As a fanbase, its like noone learnt anything from our 10/11-12/13 squads.

In regard to what I'd like to see. I don't want Tchouemeni due to the potential price tag. I think Mateus Fernandes offers us more of a complete player ( which is more important for a 2 man base in midfield). I think him and Ederson are enough for now in midfield. If we can i'd pick up a really cheap or free third midfielder. I like the idea of Sommerville and I don't see Dorgu as a winger. Sommerville gives us flexibility on the left. Finally, I'd get a left back who is athletic that can contribute to the attack. A left back with a good first touch, which would help in our build up play. I think Mbuemo and Cunha can both back up Sesko. I'd also give Chido Obi and Shea Lacey a crack at entering the squad. I do think we'll see growth from both Amad and Sesko this season. I don't think we need a CB, but I do think we need to give Heaven a chance to be one of the starting 2 with Yoro and De Ligt competing to start with him. I actually think Martinez as a utility man would be great. I think there is more to him as a DM and If thought out properly, he could cover a multitude of roles from CB to Left Back to DM and get a lot of games.
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I want to sign him and Fernandes because I'm greedy. The only player who could sway me in terms of passing from that partnership is Wharton, however the price is too prohibitive and Utd see his profile too similar to Kobbie's which is completely wrong but there you go.
 
It’s funny how every time people actually watch him play (Barca game, WC) they are not impressed.
 
croadyman said:
I want to sign him and Fernandes because I'm greedy. The only player who could sway me in terms of passing from that partnership is Wharton, however the price is too prohibitive and Utd see his profile too similar to Kobbie's which is completely wrong but there you go.
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I think that's one piece our fans are missing. What is Kobbie?

I actually prefer him in this no.6 role that Carrick has been using him in since April. I think it focuses him. I don't think he has the creative output fans hope for or the energy levels to shuttle back and forth consistently. But what he has is his control of the ball, his composure and dribbling ability in short spaces. He's a better defensive player now and is playing with more intensity. I think he can be a Vitinha/Carrick/Xabi Alonso, where he helps with the build up and has good spacial awareness and his partner provides the energy/defensive intensity/tackling. I think that's where we're going.
 
tjb said:
I think that's one piece our fans are missing. What is Kobbie?

I actually prefer him in this no.6 role that Carrick has been using him in since April. I think it focuses him. I don't think he has the creative output fans hope for or the energy levels to shuttle back and forth consistently. But what he has is his control of the ball, his composure and dribbling ability in short spaces. He's a better defensive player now and is playing with more intensity. I think he can be a Vitinha/Carrick/Xabi Alonso, where he helps with the build up and has good spacial awareness and his partner provides the energy/defensive intensity/tackling. I think that's where we're going.
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Helps that he has developed physically quite significantly over the last year. He looks huge now and is only just starting to become a grown man. His potential as a deeper midfielder is massive.
 
The Irish Connection said:
I’d prefer Bouaddi. Probably lower fee and certainly lower wages.
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Sane here. I find Tchouameni a limited player. Which is ok if you’re asking him to do a specific job. But I think we need to look away from that type of player and buy players who are more rounded in their skill sets. For the fee & the wages which would be involved I’d rather dodge that deal. God forbid if we ever needed to sell him.
Lastly let’s stop taking players from Madrid.
Also just a thought but if Jose wants to sell him then something isn’t right because he’s the archetype Jose player

If they want to buy a young midfielder like MF then let’s get it done before they do go for him as they must see something in him.
 
golden_blunder said:
Sane here. I find Tchouameni a limited player. Which is ok if you’re asking him to do a specific job. But I think we need to look away from that type of player and buy players who are more rounded in their skill sets. For the fee & the wages which would be involved I’d rather dodge that deal. God forbid if we ever needed to sell him.
Lastly let’s stop taking players from Madrid.
Also just a thought but if Jose wants to sell him then something isn’t right because he’s the archetype Jose player

If they want to buy a young midfielder like MF then let’s get it done before they do go for him as they must see something in him.
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Agree. We should stop finance other team rebuildings
What is worse all our signings from big clubs were flops, bar Case for 2 y, and Ibra but he was free. Mata was expensive for the time.
He didn't develope at all that he can justify 80m price tag. Real gambled and they lost.
And he probably doesn't fit INEOS profile so I am not worried.
 
golden_blunder said:
Sane here. I find Tchouameni a limited player. Which is ok if you’re asking him to do a specific job. But I think we need to look away from that type of player and buy players who are more rounded in their skill sets. For the fee & the wages which would be involved I’d rather dodge that deal. God forbid if we ever needed to sell him.
Lastly let’s stop taking players from Madrid.
Also just a thought but if Jose wants to sell him then something isn’t right because he’s the archetype Jose player

If they want to buy a young midfielder like MF then let’s get it done before they do go for him as they must see something in him.
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What IF and I appreciate it's a big one we were able to get this guy and Fernandes or still rather look elsewhere
 
golden_blunder said:
Sane here. I find Tchouameni a limited player. Which is ok if you’re asking him to do a specific job. But I think we need to look away from that type of player and buy players who are more rounded in their skill sets. For the fee & the wages which would be involved I’d rather dodge that deal. God forbid if we ever needed to sell him.
Lastly let’s stop taking players from Madrid.
Also just a thought but if Jose wants to sell him then something isn’t right because he’s the archetype Jose player

If they want to buy a young midfielder like MF then let’s get it done before they do go for him as they must see something in him.
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I’m hoping we get M Fernandes done too. He’s not a million miles away from Anderson. Good range of passing and good dribbler. Bit of an all rounder. Carrick said he wants the midfielders to be brave with the ball, Tchouameni isn’t progressive enough. He would probably cost 80m and wages over 200k.

The problem is, there’s not a huge pool of strong defensive midfielders out there who also can pass the ball forward well.

I have only seen two games of Bouaddi. The game the other day and one for Lille during last season. But he looks like he has the tools to be a good to great number 6, and looks very assured at 18.
 
Tchouameni allows other players to flourish. He is an unspectacular player - these players are always underappreciated and almost never gets the credit they deserve, but he is great at what he does. Fans saying he's limited, but more than open to signing Anderson for 120m, a centre midfielder who has lost the ball more than any other player (midfielders, yes even Bruno, despite not being anywhere near his chance creation) in the Premier League by some distance is quite absurd.
 
Trigestis said:
Tchouameni allows other players to flourish. He is an unspectacular player - these players are always underappreciated and almost never gets the credit they deserve, but he is great at what he does. Fans saying he's limited, but more than open to signing Anderson for 120m, a centre midfielder who has lost the ball more than any other player (midfielders, yes even Bruno, despite not being anywhere near his chance creation) in the Premier League by some distance is quite absurd.
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I think he’s limited and I don’t want Anderson at that price either
 
Bouaddi as an alternative doesn't make a load of sense if your main issue with Tchouameni is passing. Bouaddi is quantifiably much less progressive with his passing than Tchouameni.
 
pascell said:
Also says in the report that if they cant get him, Mateus Fernandes and Bouaddi are next on the list.
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No chance of that. They have just bought Bernardo Silva. If they get Enzo. Where do they play; bellingham, valverde, camavinga, guler, tchamemi, pitarch, mastuanono etc

It's an embarrassment of midfield riches
 
golden_blunder said:
I don’t think we should go down the road for this type of player at all. PSG have shown everyone how it can be done without wholly defensive midfielders
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Barcelona showed that 15 years ago. The question is why do PL fans think that midfielders need to be 6,5ft battle ready warriors to succeed here.
 
Eplel said:
Barcelona showed that 15 years ago. The question is why do PL fans think that midfielders need to be 6,5ft battle ready warriors to succeed here.
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I don't mean to sound facetious but building a midfield like Barcelona or PSG is not straightforward. Players like Vitinha, Neves, Busquets and Xavi aren't a dime a dozen, and even with them in the side there's quite a bit more that goes into making a team play the way Barcelona or PSG do.

Oftentimes people are keen on having players with more of a physical presence because it's very tough to retain possession as well as those teams do.
 
My preference would be that we have the players that could play in a 4-3-3 formation, the midfield consisting of 2 number 8's and a number 6.. This being an alternative option to the present 4-2-3-1 formation.
 
Barcelona are regularly playing Frenkie de Jong and Pedri in a midfield two, and they're consistently getting easily cut through. If they didn't have a world class goalkeeper and one of the best attacks in the world, they'd look a very different team. PL fans want physical players because it's a physical league and midfield is often won through sheer intensity and physicality, it is what it is. It doesn't mean it's the only thing we want.

Also, why is it that if you're big, physical and black, you're automatically considered "limited" or a "battle warrior"? I've noticed it on several occasions here
 
Why is he suddenly a dud when at the start of the summer he was seen as the no.1 target of Anderson wasn’t available?
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
Why is he suddenly a dud when at the start of the summer he was seen as the no.1 target of Anderson wasn’t available?
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Because of what @giorno says about him at Madrid and that performance against Senegal last night. Personally I still want to sign this "limited DM", however I'm very much in the minority on this one.
 
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