I think he’d be a very good signing but is he even available? Who is Real Madrid bringing in instead of him?
Aurelien Tchouameni
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Tchouameni is about as close to Casemiro as we could get as his positionally great, strong in the air, physically imposing, good ball winner, good passer, good engine and isn’t an injury concern and with how La Liga is a far more technical yet far less physical league Tchouameni could evolve his game in the PL like Casemiro did.
Real have been strongly linked with both Enzo and Rodri because they apparently want midfielders more in tune with how Kroos and Modric were over how Tchouameni and Camavinga are.
Sure, but does the policy exist or is it speculation? And if it exists, does it make sense? Are we really saying that we shouldn't have renewed Bruno for 300k pw in 2024? Cause for me that's best money we have spent in the last decade, for sure.
I think it's ok to have brackets and limits per bracket. But if 200k is really our limit on the top bracket, we are about to really hobble ourselves on the transfer market. Here is a list of players who (according to Capology anyway) earn 200k and above
There are 11 City players, 6 Arsenal players, 6 Liverpool players and 3 United players (Casemiro, Bruno, Sancho). You can make it 4 for us if you add Rashford, who is loaned outside the league. But Case, Sancho and Rashford will be gone this summer and we're left with only Bruno who's contract is also expiring next year.
Are we ok with saying we will not compete on salaries with City, Arsenal and Liverpool at all any more? If so, that's cool, but then expectations should take that into account. Are we really planning to compete for the title, or are we happy to be in top 4. Can't be expecting to sign Luis Enrique or some other manager to compete against Pep and then only give him half the salary budget. But if you say top 4 is fine and then maybe we can snatch a title, Leicester-style, in a season when everyone else sucks then fine.
The general view is that he's excellent, would be among the best 4 or 5 midfielders in the league if he came and would also be a good fit with Mainoo (brings the physical dueling and aerial dominance that Mainoo lacks).
I think everyone is just wondering, "what's wrong with him - what do Madrid know that we don't", because it's hard to imagine why he'd be available.
Thanks, now I really want him and will be devastated if we don't make it happen.
There was actually a time where getting the better Real Madrid and Barcelona rejects was a pretty solid strategy. Ozil, Sneijder, Robben, Alexis Sanchez, van der Vaart, Fabregas, Thiago. We never really managed to capitalize on it.
Agree he's not a like for like replacement for Case but his defensive statistics are really good while being mobile and able to progress the ball. I don't think we can replace Case with anyone out there in the market so we can take a fresh look at what we need in our midfield. Camavinga brings speed, athleticism, physicality and passing. He started out as a DM at Rennes and maybe that is his best chance to fulfil his potential to going back to that.
He’s a great reader of the game and a superb tackler — which, fundamentally, is what Casemiro was at Real Madrid. Did people fully appreciate how elite he was at starting attacks with vertical passes, or how dominant he was aerially? Probably not.
The same applies to Tchouaméni. He strikes the ball brilliantly from distance — his goal against England in the World Cup is the obvious example, but he’s done it often enough for it not to be considered an anomaly. He’s also very strong in the air.
When you give players like that more freedom, you can end up seeing a very different version of them. We’re obviously a huge club, but right now we don’t carry the same pressure as Real Madrid, and that environment might actually suit him. On top of that, his skill set feels far more tailored to this league.
Camavinga is injury prone and hasn't developed at Madrid as they expected. Mitten said on TOTD podcast that tchaumeni was the only midfielder from Spain that Utd were looking at this summer.
We’d be going absolutely nowhere as a club with a 200k cap on wages, so that’s almost certainly not true.
I’m not sure it’s about not competing on salaries, it’s just that under Woodward, agents had our pants round our ankles and a ball gag in our mouth. We absolutely have to shed the reputation of being a push over in terms of fees and wages. INEOS have started doing this. They’ve driven harder bargains on prices and they’re getting rid of the overpaid ones to bring the structure back into line.Sure, but does the policy exist or is it speculation? And if it exists, does it make sense? Are we really saying that we shouldn't have renewed Bruno for 300k pw in 2024? Cause for me that's best money we have spent in the last decade, for sure.
I think it's ok to have brackets and limits per bracket. But if 200k is really our limit on the top bracket, we are about to really hobble ourselves on the transfer market. Here is a list of players who (according to Capology anyway) earn 200k and above
There are 11 City players, 6 Arsenal players, 6 Liverpool players and 3 United players (Casemiro, Bruno, Sancho). You can make it 4 for us if you add Rashford, who is loaned outside the league. But Case, Sancho and Rashford will be gone this summer and we're left with only Bruno who's contract is also expiring next year.
Are we ok with saying we will not compete on salaries with City, Arsenal and Liverpool at all any more? If so, that's cool, but then expectations should take that into account. Are we really planning to compete for the title, or are we happy to be in top 4. Can't be expecting to sign Luis Enrique or some other manager to compete against Pep and then only give him half the salary budget. But if you say top 4 is fine and then maybe we can snatch a title, Leicester-style, in a season when everyone else sucks then fine.
I don’t think anyone at the club has a problem with Bruno getting big wages, but we’ve been shelling them out to Rashord, Sancho and co. Even Casemiro, as good as he’s been, struggles to justify £350k. Got to clear the decks first, then start again. A Manchester United side that’s consistently in the champions league, with proper world class players in it, will be paying comparable wages.
I think they’ll sign Enzo and Rodri. Can see them going balls out of the bathtub on their midfield this summer
The thought of the 2nd point is their midfield isn't balanced and they don't have enough passing playmakers, so they have to prioritize between Valverde, Bellingham and Tchouameni. Who do you keep, who do you sell or move out of position/bench.
This gives us an added bonus if we’re helping fund the weakening of a rival
Thanks for adding this mate, it really puts it out there for all to see nice & clearly. The dippers are pouring away so much money on past their best or underperforming players. United, without the wages of Casemiro, Sancho & (hopefully) Rashford, will be in a much more competitive position for this coming window.Sure, but does the policy exist or is it speculation? And if it exists, does it make sense? Are we really saying that we shouldn't have renewed Bruno for 300k pw in 2024? Cause for me that's best money we have spent in the last decade, for sure.
I think it's ok to have brackets and limits per bracket. But if 200k is really our limit on the top bracket, we are about to really hobble ourselves on the transfer market. Here is a list of players who (according to Capology anyway) earn 200k and above
There are 11 City players, 6 Arsenal players, 6 Liverpool players and 3 United players (Casemiro, Bruno, Sancho). You can make it 4 for us if you add Rashford, who is loaned outside the league. But Case, Sancho and Rashford will be gone this summer and we're left with only Bruno who's contract is also expiring next year.
Are we ok with saying we will not compete on salaries with City, Arsenal and Liverpool at all any more? If so, that's cool, but then expectations should take that into account. Are we really planning to compete for the title, or are we happy to be in top 4. Can't be expecting to sign Luis Enrique or some other manager to compete against Pep and then only give him half the salary budget. But if you say top 4 is fine and then maybe we can snatch a title, Leicester-style, in a season when everyone else sucks then fine.
Apparently sent Valverde to the hospital of a result of a fight.
Clearly doing anything possible to make a move to United happen!
Clearly doing anything possible to make a move to United happen!
The only players above 200k a week are Casemiro, Rashford and Bruno. Next highest is de ligt on 195k a week.
200k is the new limit set by INEOS, I think an exception was made for Bruno for his new deal, because we couldn't afford to lose him.
It happened again apparently
Clearly obvious that he's desperate for a move! He's set his sights on one of the Madridista's favourite players. Clever and strategic in his thinking...sign him up!
#FreeTchouameni
Is it possible this is Madrid soft launching his exit? Conspiracy theory time.
There is some craziness going on in the salary world, marmoush for example almost 300k per week!Sure, but does the policy exist or is it speculation? And if it exists, does it make sense? Are we really saying that we shouldn't have renewed Bruno for 300k pw in 2024? Cause for me that's best money we have spent in the last decade, for sure.
I think it's ok to have brackets and limits per bracket. But if 200k is really our limit on the top bracket, we are about to really hobble ourselves on the transfer market. Here is a list of players who (according to Capology anyway) earn 200k and above
There are 11 City players, 6 Arsenal players, 6 Liverpool players and 3 United players (Casemiro, Bruno, Sancho). You can make it 4 for us if you add Rashford, who is loaned outside the league. But Case, Sancho and Rashford will be gone this summer and we're left with only Bruno who's contract is also expiring next year.
Are we ok with saying we will not compete on salaries with City, Arsenal and Liverpool at all any more? If so, that's cool, but then expectations should take that into account. Are we really planning to compete for the title, or are we happy to be in top 4. Can't be expecting to sign Luis Enrique or some other manager to compete against Pep and then only give him half the salary budget. But if you say top 4 is fine and then maybe we can snatch a title, Leicester-style, in a season when everyone else sucks then fine.
I also imagine that Liverpool cannot wait to get Salah 400k pw and VVD 350k pw off the books!
Look United had to get on top of their salary situation as it was starting to get out of control. You can see the difficulty in shifting Sancho and Rashford. It’s only right that Bruno received a higher salary, so I’m ok with that. Can you imagine though it Mbeumo and Cunha don’t work out? If not for some control on salary we’d have trouble shifting those too.
Fede’s problem is his wife. She causes family drama, talks trash about everyone and thinks she is an agent/coach. Valverde has been acting pretty foolish this season, a couple of slaps won’t hurt him.
I wonder if it’s connected to some “you ruined the season by sacking the manager” situation (Jude/Mbappé too?).
At this point, I can only stand with Aurelien. #FreeTchouameni
I wonder if it’s connected to some “you ruined the season by sacking the manager” situation (Jude/Mbappé too?).
At this point, I can only stand with Aurelien. #FreeTchouameni
I would have said there's no hope of this happening unless Real kick him out... even then it could easily be another De Jong type saga... But stylistically he's the best Casemiro replacement out there and I think he'd do even better individually in the PL than he has in Spain
Let the silly season commence!
Let the silly season commence!
Well, if we sign him I hope I have misunderstod everything.
Sign him up off the strength of sending that rat Valverde to the hospital 
Keep violent and emotionally unstable feckers away from this club. We don’t need this kind of toxicity.
Roy Keane is lucky he never dealt with this generation of supporters
Doing an excellent job at lowering his fee.
He is the closest we'll get to a Casemiro replacement, but our next midfield signing would need to be very good passer.
Tchouameni and Tonali...here we go!
Do you genuinely believe that or just saying it because of this training ground incident with Valverde
More a sign of Madrids team being at each others throats. Ruddiger slapped Carreas yesterday as well according to reports.
Plus theres reports saying Valverde instigated everything so blame seems to be placed at his door.
Yeah I’ve seen the slap video. Very odd.
Not his thread but Valverde has come through as such a bad character this year it's insane. Especially with tepid performances all year to back it up. I wonder what makes him believe he has such a standing in world football as he's never been anything more than a great role player.
Bring him back
Chat shit get banged