Film Avengers: Doomsday | December 18th

Ish said:
Hahaha yeah basically. I’ve only ever seen him up against the F4, so had no idea he is this powerful.

Yeah and none of those have ever been established for us non comic book folk. Not super important anyway, will definitely still enjoy it. Was just an observation from my side, based on the trailer
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I will be surprised if we don't find out in this or the next movie why hes so amped up.
 
I am still surprised they didn't just recast Kang. At some point in the future they will come back to Kang. Would have been much better if Doom had the gradual introduction via end credit sequences as thanos did. Build the anticipation.
 
dinostar77 said:
I am still surprised they didn't just recast Kang. At some point in the future they will come back to Kang. Would have been much better if Doom had the gradual introduction via end credit sequences as thanos did. Build the anticipation.
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This is my major issue with the movie before it even comes out - in that I can't get past recasting RDJ as Doom.

It's so unnecessary and puts me off it.

If there is some way of it making sense then ok but can't see it.
 
Loved the avengers when it first came out but the bloat has become too much. Can't deal with it anymore.
 
dinostar77 said:
I am still surprised they didn't just recast Kang. At some point in the future they will come back to Kang. Would have been much better if Doom had the gradual introduction via end credit sequences as thanos did. Build the anticipation.
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Kang could easily have been recast especially after all the Multiverse groundwork they had already laid. But they had made major mistakes already aside from the actor's personal issues. Quantumania was an absolute utter flop and a bad idea from the start. Kang being "defeated" by a B lister Antman in a shitty sequel that was nearly unwatchable was a horrible miscalculation in what was supposed to be the Thanos level buildup.

Pivoting to Doom makes some sense but, they left some issues in the hurried nature. The groundwork for his characterization all has to come from this movie since all we got of him previously was the Fantastic 4.

This movie has so much to carry already. You need to care about Doom, and know where he came from. Establish his threat level, connect him as a World power and honestly they need to do most of that in the first half of the movie. Then we haven't seen most of these Avengers interact since their own projects in the last 2-3 phases. All the first meeting introductions, sprinkle in the Mutants and the Foxmen version of Xmen how they connect to the new cast of Xmen has to start here somehow. So there is still clearly multiverse or time travel involved in this plot.
 
Hamnat said:
Kang could easily have been recast especially after all the Multiverse groundwork they had already laid. But they had made major mistakes already aside from the actor's personal issues. Quantumania was an absolute utter flop and a bad idea from the start. Kang being "defeated" by a B lister Antman in a shitty sequel that was nearly unwatchable was a horrible miscalculation in what was supposed to be the Thanos level buildup.

Pivoting to Doom makes some sense but, they left some issues in the hurried nature. The groundwork for his characterization all has to come from this movie since all we got of him previously was the Fantastic 4.

This movie has so much to carry already. You need to care about Doom, and know where he came from. Establish his threat level, connect him as a World power and honestly they need to do most of that in the first half of the movie. Then we haven't seen most of these Avengers interact since their own projects in the last 2-3 phases. All the first meeting introductions, sprinkle in the Mutants and the Foxmen version of Xmen how they connect to the new cast of Xmen has to start here somehow. So there is still clearly multiverse or time travel involved in this plot.
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Yep, they had the right formula from Infinity gauntlet storyline. Instead going down the daft DC route of introducing a major bad guy without all of the stuff you mentioned.

As for Kang there are numerous iterations of him, the one antman stopped was just one. They could have used "prime Kang" (I might have made that up) in a avenger movie with a recast. I actually think someone like Denzel Washington would have been a really good Kang.

The problem with Doom, is that if he is "defeated" at the end of Secret Wars (2027). Then who's the next big bad guy for the MCU?

Quoting you "You need to care about Doom, and know where he came from. Establish his threat level, connect him as a World power".

This is what many of these movies especially DC Comics get wrong. For Doom specifically there is no build up. They could have put in a end credit scene (in brand new day) with a badly beaten up (off screen) avenger on the verge of death. (Ideally they would kill said avenger but that won't happen). All the avenger would have to say "...Doom is coming..." Or something like that and fade to black.

That would create anticipation, especially for example, if the screen faded to black and all we heard was a flatline sound of no heartbeat of the said avenger...

The implicit message is there for the audience. Doom is coming and he's killed an avenger already. Even thanos didn't do that (the snap not withstanding).

Instead we get marvel, bringing back Captain America and RDJ, which smacks of desperation from movie executives who should know better.
 
Oldyella said:
I wish that's how he was introduced, differentiates him from other villains. Always remember an old spider-man comic where he and Doom get into a fight at the airport as Doom was on a political visit and claims diplomatic immunity. The child me loved that shit.
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Almost as good as the Joker becoming ambassador of Iran, killing Robin and claiming immunity (maybe not in that order but was hilarious either way).
 
The Cat said:
This is my major issue with the movie before it even comes out - in that I can't get past recasting RDJ as Doom.

It's so unnecessary and puts me off it.

If there is some way of it making sense then ok but can't see it.
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It looks like a high possibility that we won't ever recognise him as Downey/Stark. He's playing a character who should always be masked. It could essentially be a voice role like Pedro Pascal in the Mandalorian.

The reason the actor is back is apparently because he enjoyed working with the team. That and the millions of dollars.
 
Joker, bane and magneto didnt need much build before their first appearances in x1, tdk and tdkr. Ock too in sm2. I expect doomsday to be my least favourite avengers movie but a villain can be excellent without a big lead up. If anything a big buildup can pile more pressure on them which they do not need now.
 
decorativeed said:
It looks like a high possibility that we won't ever recognise him as Downey/Stark. He's playing a character who should always be masked. It could essentially be a voice role like Pedro Pascal in the Mandalorian.

The reason the actor is back is apparently because he enjoyed working with the team. That and the millions of dollars.
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You are partially correct, it's already been confirmed the mask won't come off until Secret Wars movie.
 
dinostar77 said:
It would be pretty mental to kill him off/stop him in one movie. Must be in secret wars, surely.
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Yeah, firstly a very strange choice to bring RDJ back (after he was Ironman ffs), and I can’t see them just bringing him back for 1 movie either. It’s a baddie with (mostly) a mask on and tons of CGI….why pay what RDJ will cost versus getting almost anyone else! (I guess his name alone is a huge draw card). Anyway, none of these things are important. It won’t ruin my experience.
 
dinostar77 said:
I am still surprised they didn't just recast Kang. At some point in the future they will come back to Kang. Would have been much better if Doom had the gradual introduction via end credit sequences as thanos did. Build the anticipation.
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I think there's a lot of revisionism there. Thanos was barely in any of the others before Infinity War.

A 5 second silent cameo at the end of Avengers, when most of the public had no idea who that guy grinning even was. Then there was a tiny bit of a mention of him as the mad titan followed by a 30 second scene in GotG where he sat on a floating chair, and another few seconds of his face appearing on a projection later on. Then all we saw after that was 7 seconds of him putting on the gauntlet in Age of Ultron post credits.

So a total of about 2 minutes across three of the 18 films before Infinity War, with two of those appearances being after credits scenes, and one being totally silent.

I think a bit of that build up was also needed because most people had never heard of the character before. Whereas Doom is already probably Marvel's biggest and most recognisable villain.
 
Raul Madrid said:
Joker, bane and magneto didnt need much build before their first appearances in x1, tdk and tdkr. Ock too in sm2. I expect doomsday to be my least favourite avengers movie but a villain can be excellent without a big lead up. If anything a big buildup can pile more pressure on them which they do not need now.
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Some of this they can do relatively quickly in like one of those United Nations type scenes they have done in Black panther etc. Have Latveria be established quickly give us a quick rundown of what the "world" thinks of them and Doom tick that box and move on in 10 minutes or less. They can establish and out Namor and his people publicly in the same scene imo. Then get to the character development and everyone else meeting and connecting.

What they need to spend some time on to make the film connect is Doom and Reed. Their relationship, as rivals, establishing the competition, hatred needs a decent amount of screentime. Show me why they hate each other, why they are usually considered in the top 3, usually 1-2, of MCU geniuses etc. The formula is all there they just have to act it out and execute for a good movie.
 
The Cat said:
This is my major issue with the movie before it even comes out - in that I can't get past recasting RDJ as Doom.

It's so unnecessary and puts me off it.

If there is some way of it making sense then ok but can't see it.
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You can't see how they can make sense of it during their multiverse saga?
 
SalfordRed18 said:
You can't see how they can make sense of it during their multiverse saga?
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The multiverse saga is what stopped it all being fun. Multiple movies made the whole franchise worse.

Oh let's let Downey Junior take his mask off because the multiverse says it's ok. Or let's not let him have any mask off scenes because we realise it's nonsense.

It's not needed at all.
 
The Cat said:
The multiverse saga is what stopped it all being fun. Multiple movies made the whole franchise worse.

Oh let's let Downey Junior take his mask off because the multiverse says it's ok. Or let's not let him have any mask off scenes because we realise it's nonsense.

It's not needed at all.
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Well I agree most of the multiverse didn't hit. But this could easily be a bait and switch, and I actually think it is, and he's not the big bad doom at all. Just another doom in the multiverse.
 
I personally have absolutely no problem with RDJ's recast. I even think it is mandatory for him to take the Doom mask off infront of all the Avengers just for the sheer shock on their faces in that moment. It would be glorious.
 
How much nerfing of powers are we going to see in this one? Will guys like Hulk and Thor finally show how much more powerful they really are than a lot of the rest? The Fantastic Four and X Men in some ways should be like dinky toys compared to them. Save for say Omega level mutants like Iceman or Magneto.
 
Tickets for endgame encore released. Just got mine. Looks like they're getting booked up fast.
 
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