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Having a laugh at all lindelof critics saying play Tuanzebe because lindelof is to bad in the air. Tuanzebe won 2/11.
 

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Can't help but think Axel is getting the normal hype a new first team player gets on here.

He was OK today but certainly not the all conquering centre half that some on here would lead you to believe.
A centreback who loses 9 aerials out of 11 in one single match get voted man of the match. Lindelof has lost 12 headers in total this season (7 matches) and you can read page up page down that he is so poor in the air that he will never become good enough.
Yep he is a bit hyped.

His partnership with Maguire was the only positive thing going for us, Newcastle barely threatened. We were on the front foot and sweeping up every Newcastle attack. Disrupting that and shifting him wide was very naive. Carroll is shot.
To be honest I think no other team has threatened more than Newcastle this season. I think it was a natural move, Carroll was neutralized by Maguire, and dont think the goal had anything to do with Tuanzebe playing fullback as it was a counter. I agree he is better in the centre but can fully understand that Ole wanted them to be stronger in the air.
 

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Fans need to stop championing mediocrity. "Only the mediocre are always at their best".
The best thing about Tuanzebe at present is his song.
 

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You didn’t watch the game or else you don’t know who Tuanzebe is.
He was the player behind the useless fella. He wasn’t wearing the no 17 jersey
I know what I watched. He had many Lindelof vs Palace moments, and he wasn't much better on the ground either. It was a poor defensive performance.
 

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I do ’t see why that was so reckless and brainless?

Tuanzebe lost 9 of 11 aerials tonight. You dont want a player who is that weak in the air against Carroll.
...and that does not even include the ones that weren't head height. Joelinton completely dominated him, and he couldn't get close to Newcastle's forwards. I can't remember any of our other CBs dropping a worse performance this season.
 

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...and that does not even include the ones that weren't head height. Joelinton completely dominated him, and he couldn't get close to Newcastle's forwards. I can't remember any of our other CBs dropping a worse performance this season.
I think he did ok considering he is new on this level. But I cant figure out how most people seem to believe he had a great game and was better than Maguire. Maguire was superior in every aspect of the game imo. As someone said, Lindelof would have got slaughtered for this kind of performance.
 

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His weakness has always been aerially and that is well documented by myself on a number of occasions. But it's important to give him a run of games to see if he can improve in that regard. If it does become a hindrance then I'd like to see us sign either Ibrahima Konate or Nikola Milenkovic who are very strong in all departments to partner Maguire. Konate would be my first choice and at 20 is very experienced for his age.
 

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Amusing how central defence is now pretty much the least of our problems. We played a great game of whack-a-mole with our squad in the transfer window it seems.
 

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Should have taken out maxim or who ever was the ball carrier for their goal. Apart from they he did well
 

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I thought he did well.

imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.

his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.
 

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We spent world record fee for a young defensive rightback, when Tuanzebe could perform as well as that new player, with much better passing, and can cover for two positions.
 

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I thought he did well.

imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.

his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.
Yup that's what I said in my post earlier.

He did 'lose' a lot of aerials and for sure he can improve his position/technique on that but you can ask how many times Joelington/Carroll they felt his presence. He never made it easy for them.

I don't want to rag on Lindelof but I dread how he would have dealt with it today.
 

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Having a laugh at all lindelof critics saying play Tuanzebe because lindelof is to bad in the air. Tuanzebe won 2/11.
Against Joelinton & Carroll and they both are taller than Axel. Lindelof lost aerial duel to Schlupp!! :rolleyes:
 

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He was poor IMO. Lost every duel.
Almost everytime he went into a duel, he lost. I thought he was all over the place.
Nonsense.

Even though he lost duel to the likes Joelinton & Carroll who are strong in the air, however he made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it. It’s totally different to Lindelof who was totally lost a duel to Schlupp.

In that game, he was good defensively, good in tackle, composed on the ball & tends to looking for risky & forward passes to get the team forward.

He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
 

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Why not try Tuanzebe as a DM? I´d like to see Ole going back to 4-3-3 and play Pogba and McTominay box to box, with Tuanzebe holding.
 

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2/11 is poor
No,

Your understanding of the game is 2/11. 2/11 isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.

He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
 

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No,

Your understanding of the game is 2/11. 2/11 isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.

He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
Bingo.

I hate these “modern” fans that can only watch a match with their stats apps in the background telling them how a players played.
 

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No,

Your understanding of the game is 2/11. Losing duel isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.

He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
Again 2/11 is poor.

That doesn't mean he didn't play well. However it is poor. Over time losing ariel duels at that rate will cost you.

The highlighted part just shows you agree that is not a good record, he needs to improve. Some of the headers he lost were not above his height either, they were just first to the ball. Example the cross from the RW where Carrol dives in front of him to win the header and head over

In any case I hope he can develop a good partnership with Maguire
 

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Why not try Tuanzebe as a DM? I´d like to see Ole going back to 4-3-3 and play Pogba and McTominay box to box, with Tuanzebe holding.
This, he can't be any worse than Fred or Matic.
 

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Again 2/11 is poor.

That doesn't mean he didn't play well. However it is poor. Over time losing ariel duels at that rate will cost you.

The highlighted part just shows you agree that is not a good record, he needs to improve. Some of the headers he lost were not above his height either, they were just first to the ball. Example the cross from the RW where Carrol dives in front of him to win the header and head over

In any case I hope he can develop a good partnership with Maguire
Again, you still fail to see the bigger picture. The number doesn’t tell you the true story.

We both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing.

2/11 is poor on paper only but in reality it is not because he dealt it very well against Carrol & Joelinton in the air. Carrol is one of the best striker in aerial duel while Joelinton isn’t easy to tame in the air, but he made both players having difficulty to aim the header properly. Stats doesn’t tell you the true story.

I never say he’s great at header. However, my post was referring to someone compare him to Lindelof’s case and it is laughable.

I believe Tuanzebe isn’t a great header but he’s not as bad as Lindelof and he’s for sure knows how to anticipate his weakness being not a great header and he had shown it yesterday. Some people are just not gifted to be great in aerial duel as Maguire & Carrol.
 
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Again, you still fail to see the bigger picture.

We both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing.

2/11 is poor on paper only but in reality it is not because he dealt it very well against Carrol & Joelinton in the air. He made both players having difficulty to aim the header properly. Stats doesn’t tell you the true story.

I never say he’s great at header or shouldn’t be improving. But when someone compare him to Lindelof’s case is laughable.
I am not. Because I am by no means saying that he played poorly and I am not comparing him to Lindelof.

Simple statement. 2/11 is poor and needs improvement. Simple as
 

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Not sure what the negativity is all about.

One of our better players and looking good for the future.
 

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I am not. Because I am by no means saying that he played poorly and I am not comparing him to Lindelof.

Simple statement. 2/11 is poor and needs improvement. Simple as
I have already told you that we both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing or even his overall performance. So no! You still fail to see the bigger picture.

2/11 is only poor on paper in reality all majority 9 header the opposition players won didn’t give any danger or end up going to our possession. Not all defenders are gifted to win aerial duel against Carrol. How is he supposed to improve it to win header against Carrol? Carrol is one of the best in aerial duel striker out there.

My post that you replied is regarding with a comparison to Lindelof’s case.
 

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I thought he did well.

imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.

his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.

This

He's looked calm and strong, a lot too like in him, in a squad full of shite.

In no way did he have a poor game at all, looks stronger than kindle of I didn't see him get bullied once, put Carroll off a couple of times, whereas Lindelof would of got pummelled
 

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I thought he did well.

imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.

his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.
This is you @Cassidy
 

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I have already told you that we both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing or even his overall performance. So no! You still fail to see the bigger picture.

2/11 is only poor on paper in reality all majority 9 header the opposition players won didn’t give any danger or end up going to our possession. Not all defenders are gifted to win aerial duel against Carrol. How is he supposed to improve it to win header against Carrol? Carrol is one of the best in aerial duel striker out there.

My post that you replied is regarding with a comparison to Lindelof’s case.
Except when Carrol beat him in the air when the ball was crossed in from the right and headed over the bar. A cross which was not at a height unreachable for Axel. It had nothing to do with Carrols height advantage but his will to win the header

He could have won that header by making the move towards the ball first and focusing on winning the header.

Its a minor criticism but you can’t go around saying a player cannot improve his game. He needs to improve his aggressiveness and anticipation to win headers that is all. Its not always about height. Judging the flight and jumping early are things that can be worked on also
 

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Sure it is. I mean I didnt watch him lose the header in the 6 yard box at a winnable height at all

The issue is you cannot even point out minor flaws in someones game when there is agenda to paint them as better than someone else.

I have no interest in the comparison of Tuanzebe and Lindelof
 

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No,

Your understanding of the game is 2/11. 2/11 isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.

He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
He had an ok game overall but let’s not pretend he was good in the air, because he was very bad. The attackers had no problems with him. And I don’t understand why you talk about Carroll? The minute Carroll was brought on, Axel was removed from the central defence and Maguire dealt with him. I think Axel/Carroll had like 2 duels and one of them was Carroll almost scoring with a header.

Tuanzebe have many good qualities, but also weaknesses. His positioning is poor and his heading is very poor. This is not just the stats, but anyone who watched the game could see how he struggled in the air.
 

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Except when Carrol beat him in the air when the ball was crossed in from the right and headed over the bar. A cross which was not at a height unreachable for Axel. It had nothing to do with Carrols height advantage but his will to win the header

He could have won that header by making the move towards the ball first and focusing on winning the header.

Its a minor criticism but you can’t go around saying a player cannot improve his game. He needs to improve his aggressiveness and anticipation to win headers that is all. Its not always about height. Judging the flight and jumping early are things that can be worked on also
Carrol is one of the best aerial duel striker in the game. Winning aerial duel against him isn’t easy, to even able to make Carrol unable to aim the header properly is also part of good defending in anticipating an aerial duel especially against strikers who are very good at them. 2/11 only tells you half of the story.

Trying to go towards the ball first is easy to say but you are forgetting that the reason why some player stick in the position because the ball was heading to the spot. If they know that they won’t be able to reach due to the timing is not right it then they might end up missing it and will be criticised for doing so like Bailly & Lindelof did on most of their missing timing header.
 

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He had an ok game overall but let’s not pretend he was good in the air, because he was very bad. The attackers had no problems with him. And I don’t understand why you talk about Carroll? The minute Carroll was brought on, Axel was removed from the central defence and Maguire dealt with him. I think Axel/Carroll had like 2 duels and one of them was Carroll almost scoring with a header.

Tuanzebe have many good qualities, but also weaknesses. His positioning is poor and his heading is very poor. This is not just the stats, but anyone who watched the game could see how he struggled in the air.
Never said he was good. You didn’t read it properly.

I believe that’s just how Tuanzebe is, he’s just an okay defender with aerial duel. But I thought he dealt the aerial duel against Carrol & Joelinton very well and he’s certainly not as bad as Lindelof as how some people mentioned before.
 

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Never he was good. But I thought he dealt the weakness very well and he’s certainly not as bad as Lindelof as how some people mentioned before.
I really believe Axel is one level below Lindelof and two below Maguire but he is also 3 years younger and has played very few matches on this level. He will get there. However he was surprisingly poor in the air and you could see how Newcastle took advantage of that. I hope they address this in his training.
 

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Never said he was good. You didn’t read it properly.

I believe that’s just how Tuanzebe is, he’s just an okay defender with aerial duel. But I thought he dealt the aerial duel against Carrol & Joelinton very well and he’s certainly not as bad as Lindelof as how some people mentioned before.
You argued he wasn't poor in the air in the game
 

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Carrol is one of the best aerial duel striker in the game. Winning aerial duel against him isn’t easy, to even able to make Carrol unable to aim the header properly is also part of good defending in anticipating an aerial duel especially against strikers who are very good at them. 2/11 only tells you half of the story.

Trying to go towards the ball first is easy to say but you are forgetting that the reason why some player stick in the position because the ball was heading to the spot. If they know that they won’t be able to reach due to the timing is not right it then they might end up missing it and will be criticised for doing so like Bailly & Lindelof did on most of their missing timing header.
He missed the target yes. However losing the duel had nothing to do with Carrols height which you kept saying he was taller and not weak. He lost the duel because he didn't attack the ball. If he does that too much we will concede goals. He needs to improve that aspect. The action was not good defending
 

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I really believe Axel is one level below Lindelof and two below Maguire but he is also 3 years younger and has played very few matches on this level. He will get there. However he was surprisingly poor in the air and you could see how Newcastle took advantage of that. I hope they address this in his training.
Different to my view.

When your striker is Carrol & Joelinton. Of course Newcastle will rely on aerial duel. It’ll be stupid for Bruce to even expect getting the best out of his striker option with playing ball on their feet. And he’ll be even more stupid to expect winning header against Maguire.

Lindelof is poor in the air. He’s weak to go toe on toe with the strong one & he surely tends to miss timing a header. Tuanzebe is above Lindelof in aerial duel, Lindelof couldn’t even win a header against Schlupp & sometime missing a header in the warm up without being under pressure.
 

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He missed the target yes. However losing the duel had nothing to do with Carrols height which you kept saying he was taller and not weak. He lost the duel because he didn't attack the ball. If he does that too much we will concede goals. He needs to improve that aspect. The action was not good defending
Ffs I never say Carrol won them due to his height. He’s always been good in aerial duel. Are you new to EPL? Everyone know Carrol is one of the best striker in aerial duel. Never easy trying to win header against him.
 

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Ffs I never say Carrol won them due to his height. He’s always been good in aerial duel. Are you new to EPL? Everyone know Carrol is one of the best striker in aerial duel. Never easy trying to win header against him.
No,



He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
My point was it wasn't to do with height, it was to do with not attacking the ball. Whether Carroll is one of the best or not, it was not good defending.
 

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My point was it wasn't to do with height, it was to do with not attacking the ball. Whether Carroll is one of the best or not, it was not good defending.
You clearly twisting it and not read the whole post but just one sentence. That’s different to Carrol won header because of his height. I always gave credit to Carrol is good in the air but you didn’t include it.

What I meant was Tuanzebe was never good in aerial duel. But he’s still better than Lindelof because Tuanzebe would have still won header against most player who are shorter than him like Schlupp while Lindelof lost header against Schlupp. This is why I mentioned height. You were replying to my post comment on someone who compare it to Lindelof’s case.

It’s called a good defending when the striker struggled to header the ball easily.

I have explained this before, You don’t just go towards the ball like that, players need to get the timing right when header the ball. Yes it’s true player should attacking the ball first to win the header but not in every scenario.

If he knows he can’t reach the ball by going towards the ball then he’s right not to do so. If every players can win header by going towards the ball first then everyone would have done the same thing. That’s not how heading the ball always work.