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Aerial duals are his glaring weakness. Needs to improve on that.
A centreback who loses 9 aerials out of 11 in one single match get voted man of the match. Lindelof has lost 12 headers in total this season (7 matches) and you can read page up page down that he is so poor in the air that he will never become good enough.Can't help but think Axel is getting the normal hype a new first team player gets on here.
He was OK today but certainly not the all conquering centre half that some on here would lead you to believe.
To be honest I think no other team has threatened more than Newcastle this season. I think it was a natural move, Carroll was neutralized by Maguire, and dont think the goal had anything to do with Tuanzebe playing fullback as it was a counter. I agree he is better in the centre but can fully understand that Ole wanted them to be stronger in the air.His partnership with Maguire was the only positive thing going for us, Newcastle barely threatened. We were on the front foot and sweeping up every Newcastle attack. Disrupting that and shifting him wide was very naive. Carroll is shot.
I know what I watched. He had many Lindelof vs Palace moments, and he wasn't much better on the ground either. It was a poor defensive performance.You didn’t watch the game or else you don’t know who Tuanzebe is.
He was the player behind the useless fella. He wasn’t wearing the no 17 jersey
...and that does not even include the ones that weren't head height. Joelinton completely dominated him, and he couldn't get close to Newcastle's forwards. I can't remember any of our other CBs dropping a worse performance this season.I do ’t see why that was so reckless and brainless?
Tuanzebe lost 9 of 11 aerials tonight. You dont want a player who is that weak in the air against Carroll.
I think he did ok considering he is new on this level. But I cant figure out how most people seem to believe he had a great game and was better than Maguire. Maguire was superior in every aspect of the game imo. As someone said, Lindelof would have got slaughtered for this kind of performance....and that does not even include the ones that weren't head height. Joelinton completely dominated him, and he couldn't get close to Newcastle's forwards. I can't remember any of our other CBs dropping a worse performance this season.
Yup that's what I said in my post earlier.I thought he did well.
imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.
his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.
Against Joelinton & Carroll and they both are taller than Axel. Lindelof lost aerial duel to Schlupp!!Having a laugh at all lindelof critics saying play Tuanzebe because lindelof is to bad in the air. Tuanzebe won 2/11.
He was poor IMO. Lost every duel.
Nonsense.Almost everytime he went into a duel, he lost. I thought he was all over the place.
2/11 is poorAgainst Joelinton & Carroll and they both are taller than Axel. Lindelof lost aerial duel to Schlupp!!![]()
No,2/11 is poor
Bingo.No,
Your understanding of the game is 2/11. 2/11 isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.
He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
Again 2/11 is poor.No,
Your understanding of the game is 2/11. Losing duel isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.
He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
This, he can't be any worse than Fred or Matic.Why not try Tuanzebe as a DM? I´d like to see Ole going back to 4-3-3 and play Pogba and McTominay box to box, with Tuanzebe holding.
Again, you still fail to see the bigger picture. The number doesn’t tell you the true story.Again 2/11 is poor.
That doesn't mean he didn't play well. However it is poor. Over time losing ariel duels at that rate will cost you.
The highlighted part just shows you agree that is not a good record, he needs to improve. Some of the headers he lost were not above his height either, they were just first to the ball. Example the cross from the RW where Carrol dives in front of him to win the header and head over
In any case I hope he can develop a good partnership with Maguire
I am not. Because I am by no means saying that he played poorly and I am not comparing him to Lindelof.Again, you still fail to see the bigger picture.
We both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing.
2/11 is poor on paper only but in reality it is not because he dealt it very well against Carrol & Joelinton in the air. He made both players having difficulty to aim the header properly. Stats doesn’t tell you the true story.
I never say he’s great at header or shouldn’t be improving. But when someone compare him to Lindelof’s case is laughable.
I have already told you that we both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing or even his overall performance. So no! You still fail to see the bigger picture.I am not. Because I am by no means saying that he played poorly and I am not comparing him to Lindelof.
Simple statement. 2/11 is poor and needs improvement. Simple as
I thought he did well.
imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.
his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.
This is you @CassidyI thought he did well.
imo his heading stats are a bit watered down as he challenges EVERYTHING. Even when he knew he wouldn’t win it, he did enough to put the other player off. That’ll register as a lost challenge but who watches football for stats? That’s only half the picture.
his pace certainly gives us more options for a higher line.
Except when Carrol beat him in the air when the ball was crossed in from the right and headed over the bar. A cross which was not at a height unreachable for Axel. It had nothing to do with Carrols height advantage but his will to win the headerI have already told you that we both are talking about his contribution on dealing both strikers in the air, neither we mention other thing or even his overall performance. So no! You still fail to see the bigger picture.
2/11 is only poor on paper in reality all majority 9 header the opposition players won didn’t give any danger or end up going to our possession. Not all defenders are gifted to win aerial duel against Carrol. How is he supposed to improve it to win header against Carrol? Carrol is one of the best in aerial duel striker out there.
My post that you replied is regarding with a comparison to Lindelof’s case.
Sure it is. I mean I didnt watch him lose the header in the 6 yard box at a winnable height at allThis is you @Cassidy
He had an ok game overall but let’s not pretend he was good in the air, because he was very bad. The attackers had no problems with him. And I don’t understand why you talk about Carroll? The minute Carroll was brought on, Axel was removed from the central defence and Maguire dealt with him. I think Axel/Carroll had like 2 duels and one of them was Carroll almost scoring with a header.No,
Your understanding of the game is 2/11. 2/11 isn’t the issue. The credit is how well Tuanzebe made the players difficult to aim the ball properly with the header, that alone is also part of defending by sticking to the player & not giving them easy chances to win it.
He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
Carrol is one of the best aerial duel striker in the game. Winning aerial duel against him isn’t easy, to even able to make Carrol unable to aim the header properly is also part of good defending in anticipating an aerial duel especially against strikers who are very good at them. 2/11 only tells you half of the story.Except when Carrol beat him in the air when the ball was crossed in from the right and headed over the bar. A cross which was not at a height unreachable for Axel. It had nothing to do with Carrols height advantage but his will to win the header
He could have won that header by making the move towards the ball first and focusing on winning the header.
Its a minor criticism but you can’t go around saying a player cannot improve his game. He needs to improve his aggressiveness and anticipation to win headers that is all. Its not always about height. Judging the flight and jumping early are things that can be worked on also
Never said he was good. You didn’t read it properly.He had an ok game overall but let’s not pretend he was good in the air, because he was very bad. The attackers had no problems with him. And I don’t understand why you talk about Carroll? The minute Carroll was brought on, Axel was removed from the central defence and Maguire dealt with him. I think Axel/Carroll had like 2 duels and one of them was Carroll almost scoring with a header.
Tuanzebe have many good qualities, but also weaknesses. His positioning is poor and his heading is very poor. This is not just the stats, but anyone who watched the game could see how he struggled in the air.
I really believe Axel is one level below Lindelof and two below Maguire but he is also 3 years younger and has played very few matches on this level. He will get there. However he was surprisingly poor in the air and you could see how Newcastle took advantage of that. I hope they address this in his training.Never he was good. But I thought he dealt the weakness very well and he’s certainly not as bad as Lindelof as how some people mentioned before.
You argued he wasn't poor in the air in the gameNever said he was good. You didn’t read it properly.
I believe that’s just how Tuanzebe is, he’s just an okay defender with aerial duel. But I thought he dealt the aerial duel against Carrol & Joelinton very well and he’s certainly not as bad as Lindelof as how some people mentioned before.
He missed the target yes. However losing the duel had nothing to do with Carrols height which you kept saying he was taller and not weak. He lost the duel because he didn't attack the ball. If he does that too much we will concede goals. He needs to improve that aspect. The action was not good defendingCarrol is one of the best aerial duel striker in the game. Winning aerial duel against him isn’t easy, to even able to make Carrol unable to aim the header properly is also part of good defending in anticipating an aerial duel especially against strikers who are very good at them. 2/11 only tells you half of the story.
Trying to go towards the ball first is easy to say but you are forgetting that the reason why some player stick in the position because the ball was heading to the spot. If they know that they won’t be able to reach due to the timing is not right it then they might end up missing it and will be criticised for doing so like Bailly & Lindelof did on most of their missing timing header.
Different to my view.I really believe Axel is one level below Lindelof and two below Maguire but he is also 3 years younger and has played very few matches on this level. He will get there. However he was surprisingly poor in the air and you could see how Newcastle took advantage of that. I hope they address this in his training.
Ffs I never say Carrol won them due to his height. He’s always been good in aerial duel. Are you new to EPL? Everyone know Carrol is one of the best striker in aerial duel. Never easy trying to win header against him.He missed the target yes. However losing the duel had nothing to do with Carrols height which you kept saying he was taller and not weak. He lost the duel because he didn't attack the ball. If he does that too much we will concede goals. He needs to improve that aspect. The action was not good defending
Ffs I never say Carrol won them due to his height. He’s always been good in aerial duel. Are you new to EPL? Everyone know Carrol is one of the best striker in aerial duel. Never easy trying to win header against him.
My point was it wasn't to do with height, it was to do with not attacking the ball. Whether Carroll is one of the best or not, it was not good defending.No,
He might not be the best header of the ball to beat the likes of Joelinton & Carroll but he’s certainly not a weak one and he knows how to find a way to defend against players who are taller than him, proven today.
You clearly twisting it and not read the whole post but just one sentence. That’s different to Carrol won header because of his height. I always gave credit to Carrol is good in the air but you didn’t include it.My point was it wasn't to do with height, it was to do with not attacking the ball. Whether Carroll is one of the best or not, it was not good defending.