But Paradise Lost
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 4
- Clean sheets
- 0
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 1
Ended the season injured, no?
Heaven knows I'm miserable nowBut Paradise Lost
Thought he struggled yesterday. Young player still a lot to learn.
Looked fazed by being considered a starter and didn't quite seem to have the self-confidence for whatever reason. Onwards and upwards.
Looked decent to me, but I missed the first 30mins. I hope he, DeLigt & Yoro are our back 3 his season. At least till Martinez is fit.
Yeah I think we might be expecting way too much from him at his age.
Thats the first time I've seen him looking like a 18 year old defender stepping up and not a class defender in his prime. To me it looked like his muscles where heavy, and maybe his instincts were a bit of.
He either had to step up and tighten the space to Bowen or embrace the Pep philosophy and take a foul in early transition and he managed to do neither. Lack of experience played a part there.
Interesting seeing a small mishap against one of the bets sharp-shooters in the league gets the comments above. He’s been flawless in 98% of the minutes he’s played.
Thought he struggles vs Bowen multiple times. Bowen is a really good player.
To be honest we are expecting way too much on any young player that plays for this team
. Any young players we buy we expect them to be Rooney & Ronaldo level talent and any young academy players that have a breakthrough season we expect them to be the next class of 92.I don’t think he was as bad as some but was more exposed by the two best opposition players and their most consistent pattern of play. He definitely adds balance to us going forward and played a couple of very good balls over the opposition back line into space to attack.
Him and Martinez can be a good duo to provide rest to and learn from one another.
Him and Martinez can be a good duo to provide rest to and learn from one another.
He struggled a bit with Bowen admittedly but still a very talented player. More than good enough to play a squad role
His passing from the back is nearly always forward and accurate. He seems to have a lot of (well placed) confidence and ability on the ball. The rolling around for the penalty was not great and he needs to tighten up some of his defending. But he's 18, 6'4" (according to his mum), well built and quick. Should be a star in a couple of years.
I think once Bowen was in the box it's a tough one as he can go both ways and it's just a great finish on his weak foot.
The error was made earlier where he let Bowen peel wide without getting closer to him, thought Heaven was too narrow when the pass was played.
I'd still persist with him starting for now unless it turns into multiple off games in a row.
The error was made earlier where he let Bowen peel wide without getting closer to him, thought Heaven was too narrow when the pass was played.
I'd still persist with him starting for now unless it turns into multiple off games in a row.
That was a hell of a finish from Bowen with his weaker foot. Players can't finish like that who are right footers.
Why do I feel like we concede this kind of goal a lot?
Bowen was all over him with his dribbling and speed getting past 3 times, the last one ending in a goal. He was also uncomfrotable last game against Leeds when James ran him for pace so he pulled him down.
I think concentration and dealing with fast players are the areas he needs to improve. Its not dissimilar to what Yoro struggled with last season
I think concentration and dealing with fast players are the areas he needs to improve. Its not dissimilar to what Yoro struggled with last season
I thought there were several mishaps. Unless I'm misremembering, in the first half he had one where he got absolutely blown by to give West Ham an open cross for one of their best chances.
I think Heaven is a great prospect, but I think his current ability is overrated a bit by our fans bc his speed + dribbling jump off the screen as such obvious skillsets. When it comes to positioning, conservative defending, and things like that he still has a ways to go. He could become a heck of a player and still be a few years away from being outright better than De Ligt, for example. I think he'll be a squad player this year if we're fully healthy.
Obviously the goal, but for me, it's actually the in position stuff. The amount of times he got turned back to the keeper because it got awkward for him. Was in too much of a hurry to progress it and was making the defenders job easy to close the passing lane, while closing him down. He needs learn to keep his options open until just before he passes. watch how Licha does it.
Was probably his worst game for us. I am not worried, he's 18 isn't he? Progression is not linear and he's just had a couple of months off, I would imagine that effects sharpness of an inexperienced 18 year old more than an older player.
Lack of midfield.
In the few minutes he’s played, I think he has shown exceptional talent and huge potential, mixed with some immature mistakes and poor decisions. Also a bit awkward positioning at times. I hope he’s not a starter this season but can develop a little more in the background. However not as many matches this season as we use to have. In the end, with our injury prone CBs, I guess injuries will decide who start.
Because the position depends a lot and sometimes too much from one player. In this position you can basically never allow your man to beat you. Saw it with De Ligt and others last season too.
I think his current ability has been way way over-inflated on here. I do not remember his coaches at Arsenal fighting tooth and nail to keep him, and they are the people who know him best, and will have seen him train week in, week out. I've liked what I've seen so far, but some assessments of him on here mark him down as a generational talent, and I just don't think there is enough evidence there to support that label. However he's so young there hasn't been enough to write him off either.
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Yeah both of Mainoo and Ugarte pressed far too high up together. Needs to be better communication/understanding of when they both should press. Certainly not when there's a spare West Ham midfielder in acres of space between them and the defence.
Although I did think one of the positives with a back 5 was that one of the CBs push out to stop that from happening. Pre season is the time to learn from these mistakes at least.
Both of them do it often though, it's not really down to preseason.
I can't remember them playing together very often to be honest, but also one of the CBs should be stepping up recognising the gap is there.
Been poor in pre-season so far in both games.
I think Shaw’s is Whore.
But was very impressive at end end of last season. He's young and will have ups and downs. Until now I have seen more ups than downs. He is or futute left central defender.
We did want to keep him but its true that his pathway into the first team wasn't prioritized and I also don't think we offered him very much money. Obviously losing him was a mistake, simply because we could have likely loaned and then sold for a nice fee. But I don't think the club saw him as a player who was nailed on to make it in the first team, certainly not anything approaching a generational talent. Of course, sometimes those assessments are wrong.
I mean he’s 18 years old. .
He’s still in his development phase as a centre half.
Give your head a wobble people.
He’s still in his development phase as a centre half.
Give your head a wobble people.
I agree. He looks like a pretty useful premier league centre back in the making if he keeps developing, but I'm not seeing anything massively special about him. Happy we've got him.
Unfair comparison maybe, but Yoro is a good example of an obviously special CB talent, he's several levels above Heaven.
Yeah, a generational talent, even if there is no quick route into the first team, would likely be offered senior wages and loaned, just to protect value. Who knows how hard they tried, though.
Yes, I should have known I needed to add a disclaimer to my assessment of a bad performance!
It looked like Bayindir pulled his hand away from the shot as well, or maybe it was past him before he could do anything, but it was a great finish.
Agreed but Yoro also have more senior minutes under the belt already. Heaven can develop a bit later. But yeah Yoro's movement and dribbling, along with reading of the game and "lightness" gives him edge. Heaven on the other can develop into a tank kind of player.
He's done well so far but many people go over the board, he can still do a Tyler Blacket. there's bit of clumsiness in him which needs to be ironed out. in Anyway, we could be easily looking to sell him already for 10 times the price we bought him for, or rather send him on loan, at the right time, to further increase his price and experience and then make a decision. He's still very young CB, which is not expected to start for a big club, only freaks like Saliba, Yoro or de Light, or Varane were good enough at this age.
Goal wasn't his fault but he very much looked a young player who should go on loan, though my guess is he won't since Shaw and Lisandro are always injured and training and getting say 15 games here might be as good for his development as 30 starts somewhere.