If Pool win the UCL you can guarantee it will be Van Dijk.
Ballon D’or 2019: who will win it? (Alleged leak: Messi 1, Van Dijk 2, Salah 3).
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Salah
Mbappé
3rd ???
Mbappé
3rd ???
Imagine being that much of a Messi hater that you bandwagon a Liverpool defender on an United fanboard
VVD might very well win it, but he has not been the best player in the world.
Wasn't he partially blamed for the first two goals at Nou Camp?
Ronaldo is out of the race, let's be clear.. he plays in a tinpoint league where his form is 1 goal every 2 games.. he struggled to win it at his best (a goal per game) and his best days are long gone *in my best Lancanshire Bronn voice from Game of Thrones last episode to Sir Jamie*
Man United fans might not be happy.. but what about Little Mo Salah if Liverpool win the CL?
Man United fans might not be happy.. but what about Little Mo Salah if Liverpool win the CL?
Messi fanboys aplenty in this thread.
It think Messi has been the best player and is likely to win it. But his fanboys should realise that if it becomes a numbers game for how many goals you score, no one else will win it other than a striker/forward.
VVD is never going to score 50 goals a season, so if Liverpool win the CL, there's a case to be made for him.
If Argentina win Copa America then Messi will do it for sure. Ronaldo's not in the run in by any stretch of the imagination.
It think Messi has been the best player and is likely to win it. But his fanboys should realise that if it becomes a numbers game for how many goals you score, no one else will win it other than a striker/forward.
VVD is never going to score 50 goals a season, so if Liverpool win the CL, there's a case to be made for him.
If Argentina win Copa America then Messi will do it for sure. Ronaldo's not in the run in by any stretch of the imagination.
Messi. far above the rest.
VVD second.
Mbappe third.
VVD second.
Mbappe third.
Mane based on this season deserves more than salah but the media hype would say otherwise. I would say VVD will win it, whether he truly deserves or not is another matter. I always like dutch players so I won't mind VVD winning but its sad he plays for liverpool.
I'm surprised that nobody is shouting for Mane. They guy's been unreal for the whole season. May he score 2 or 3 against Spurs in the final and the BDO is his.
I'd say it would be a very tight race between Messi, VVD and Mane.
Even if Leo played well for 80% of the season, he kinda went missing when it counted and that might influence some to vote for others.
I'd say it would be a very tight race between Messi, VVD and Mane.
Even if Leo played well for 80% of the season, he kinda went missing when it counted and that might influence some to vote for others.
I think if Messi wins the Copa America he's got it. The negative impact generated now will be diminished by the positive impact if he wins something with his NT
But this is very, very, very unlikely to happen cause Argentina is a disaster, worse than Barcelona.
But this is very, very, very unlikely to happen cause Argentina is a disaster, worse than Barcelona.
Messi is still head and shoulders above the rest, but as we know winning the CL for some reason counts more than your form for an entire 50+ game season.
If Liverpool win it then it could well go to VVD as he's probably already in the top 10 without winning the CL.
If Liverpool win it then it could well go to VVD as he's probably already in the top 10 without winning the CL.
VVD was hardly on Messi in that two legged tie (mostly Fabinho) and it’s hilarious that you don’t think Messi is the clear cut contender. He is still the heavy favourite. Messi was also miles ahead of anyone else in CL this year as well as domestically
Salah if they win CL and he performs well with a goal in the final.
The rest of South America is also pretty ordinary.
Exactly, Ole is drunk at the wheel with these postsImagine being that much of a Messi hater that you bandwagon a Liverpool defender on an United fanboard
VVD might very well win it, but he has not been the best player in the world.
Wasn't he partially blamed for the first two goals at Nou Camp?
Brazil and Uruguay aren’t. Uruguay knocked out the euro winners and Brazil are stacked.
VVD is being overrated. Liverpool will have still been crap without buying a new GK. The whole defense was solid. Is he even the clear best player of his team this year?
Btw the award isn't for best player of the winning team but after modric fiasco last year the precedent has been set.
Btw the award isn't for best player of the winning team but after modric fiasco last year the precedent has been set.
One game where he was still the best player for Barca. He is comfortably far ahead of anyone else this CL campaign
People seem to underestimate the importance of a CL win in these votes. Messi is 20 times as good as VVD, but if Pool win the CL you can bet yer bum VVD will finish above him.
People are mistaking this prize with something rational. Did everyone miss Modric winning it?
People are mistaking this prize with something rational. Did everyone miss Modric winning it?
Paul Pogba 3rd place - his form during Ole's early reign was ubelievable, and per 90 he's the fourth most decisive player in the world despite our poor season. There's a stat in performance thread that proves it.
2nd and 1st - between VVD and Messi, if Liverpool win CL then it's most likely going to be VVD. Possibly Salah if he turns up in the final with two goals or something.
2nd and 1st - between VVD and Messi, if Liverpool win CL then it's most likely going to be VVD. Possibly Salah if he turns up in the final with two goals or something.
I wouldn't even say that Salah is the best Liverpool attacker this season, let alone a potential Ballon d'Or winner. Still prolific, but.
Messi will win it.
Messi will win it.
Should be Messi if it's just the best player in the world in 2019, but like we saw last year, it's not.
Could be Van Dijk if Liverpool wins the CL and the Netherlands do something useful in the Nations League. I can't see a Spurs player winning it if they win the CL, they've had too mediocre a league campaign.
Could be Salah or Mane if Egypt or Senegal go far in the AFCON, and/or if he contributes heavily to a Champions League win.
Can't really see any other players in with a shout so far. Juve didn't have a great season for their standards, neither did PSG or Bayern. That leaves us with City who don't have a clear standout player, or Barcelona who once again threw away a comfortable CL position.
Could be Van Dijk if Liverpool wins the CL and the Netherlands do something useful in the Nations League. I can't see a Spurs player winning it if they win the CL, they've had too mediocre a league campaign.
Could be Salah or Mane if Egypt or Senegal go far in the AFCON, and/or if he contributes heavily to a Champions League win.
Can't really see any other players in with a shout so far. Juve didn't have a great season for their standards, neither did PSG or Bayern. That leaves us with City who don't have a clear standout player, or Barcelona who once again threw away a comfortable CL position.
Van Dijk probably has a better chance now that it's been back to the old format of only journalists voting for the past 2 or 3 years. If it was still merged with the FIFA award and national team captains and mangers, as well as members of the public now having a say in that too I couldn't see it.
Wouldn't be too sure that he'd be a big enough name worldwide to win it in that other format.
Wouldn't be too sure that he'd be a big enough name worldwide to win it in that other format.
It's going to be Messi.
Not really comparable to last season at all tbh. First of all there's no world cup which is still seen as on a different level to anything else. Also Messi didn't really "do" a lot in both the world cup and the latter stages of the CL last season (in terms of scoring or winning). This season he reached the semis in the cl as top scorer (by far) and scored in all three knockout rounds.
Not really comparable to last season at all tbh. First of all there's no world cup which is still seen as on a different level to anything else. Also Messi didn't really "do" a lot in both the world cup and the latter stages of the CL last season (in terms of scoring or winning). This season he reached the semis in the cl as top scorer (by far) and scored in all three knockout rounds.
But they are ordinary teams
Argentina is not even a team, it's a bunch of guys who play just to give it to Messi and see what happens
Salah has not even been Liverpool's best player this season. That is between VVD and Mane, but there are no real standouts for them, which is I don't think their player will win it even if they do win the CL.
I'd say Messi.
I'd say Messi.
Has to be Messi. If Liverpool win the CL then VVD could have a slight chance.
Messi. He is by far the best player in the world atm.
Not gonna be vvd. He's having a great season but as a defender you'd have to be super special to top messi or ronaldo for balon dor
Messi has had the best individual year of his career. If that doesnt tell you who should win it then i dont know what to say to you.
CL MVP and top scorer, La Liga MVP and top scorer, golden boot, a few legendary performances and goals. Im sorry but Van Dijk winning it over Messi would be absolutely hilarious, as ridiculous as Messi being the 5th best player in the world last year.
CL MVP and top scorer, La Liga MVP and top scorer, golden boot, a few legendary performances and goals. Im sorry but Van Dijk winning it over Messi would be absolutely hilarious, as ridiculous as Messi being the 5th best player in the world last year.
Sterling should be up there and will be in with a shout if England win nations league.
Copa America year. Right now it's still Messi's to lose
If Salah or Mane have a great CL final and follow it up at the AFCON, then either of them could win it
Don't think the Nations League will have much impact on it tbh. I don't see VVD winning it, the non-UK journos will still be more likely to vote Salah/Mane
If Salah or Mane have a great CL final and follow it up at the AFCON, then either of them could win it
Don't think the Nations League will have much impact on it tbh. I don't see VVD winning it, the non-UK journos will still be more likely to vote Salah/Mane
Messi should win it as he's been best this season but after last year with Modric, never underestimate the hype. van Dijk is being labelled as best ever CB in PL. If he wins the CL expect a huge campaign to acknowledge a defender by awarding him Ballon d'Or. English media is predictable but it'll boil over to Europe and Rest of the Continent as well.
Don't see the Copa having a positive impact for Messi though - basically needs to win it for it to count as something positive and I think that's very unlikely with the current team.
Don't get why people keep mentioning last year with Modric as if it were some kind of weird unexplainable result 
guy was voted WC best player and was widely seen as such(rightly or not)
I mean, Cristiano won it in 2016 because Gignac hit the post and Eder scored. Literally. That's what got journos to vote for him over Griezmann or Messi(meanwhile Suarez will never be truly considered for reasons that have nothing to do with his performances, when in fact he was probably the actual best player in the world that year)
guy was voted WC best player and was widely seen as such(rightly or not)I mean, Cristiano won it in 2016 because Gignac hit the post and Eder scored. Literally. That's what got journos to vote for him over Griezmann or Messi(meanwhile Suarez will never be truly considered for reasons that have nothing to do with his performances, when in fact he was probably the actual best player in the world that year)
I'd give to to Messi on account of scoring a hattrick against Real Betis earlier this year.
van Dijk if Pool win it.
Mbappe or Neymar
Not because of multiple goals against Liverpool or United?
Messi and it won’t be close. Ludicrous output this year and possibly making this Barca the most one-man team in history.
Messi should get it. There is no other player anywhere close based on this year and also if you look at his past performances too.
City and Liverpool are mainly doing well being really strong teams rather than having one player that wins them the games.
If you just want to give it to a champions league winner then I guess Van Dijk should probably get it from Liverpool. From Spurs I guess Lucas Moura can get it now after his hattrick if he wins them the final
. There is no Spurs player that would deserve it though.
City and Liverpool are mainly doing well being really strong teams rather than having one player that wins them the games.
If you just want to give it to a champions league winner then I guess Van Dijk should probably get it from Liverpool. From Spurs I guess Lucas Moura can get it now after his hattrick if he wins them the final
. There is no Spurs player that would deserve it though.