Barca history

[RoyH1]

Barsa and Liverpool are the most cringeworthy clubs in existence. One with their "mes que un club" crap and the other one with their "this means more" excrement

Edit: For the record, I did not create this thread. This was a post in the RAWK thread drawing a parallel between Liverpool and Barsa fans. It was a mod who decided to make a new thread out of this.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Barsa and Liverpool are the most cringeworthy clubs in existence. One with their "mes que un club" crap and the other one with their "this means more" excrement

Everyone makes the same mistake with the same assumptions. Mes Que un Club in applying some kind of arrogant virtue to it. It is nothing of the sort. The title Mes Que un Club is steeped in historical and social context; they're one of the only clubs in existence that are owned collectively by fans, hence More than a Club (not owned outright by one individual or group of businessmen), and secondly, it's a statement in general about Catalonia, culture and how the club is the pride of that culture.

It's got nothing to do with attempting to set itself as better than other clubs, but rather in celebration of its historic, social and cultural values.

 

[UDontMessWith24]

Everyone makes the same mistake with the same assumptions. Mes Que un Club in applying some kind of arrogant virtue to it. It is nothing of the sort. The title Mes Que un Club is steeped in historical and social context; they're one of the only clubs in existence that are owned collectively by fans, hence More than a Club (not owned outright by one individual or group of businessmen), and secondly, it's a statement in general about Catalonia, culture and how the club is the pride of that culture.

It's got nothing to do with attempting to set itself as better than other clubs, but rather in celebration of its historic, social and cultural values.

So it’s the people paying the transfer fees? Here I thought I was a proper supporter buying shirts.

 

[Hoof the ball]

So it’s the people paying the transfer fees? Here I thought I was a proper supporter buying shirts.

Your question has nothing to do with Mes Que un Club. It dates back to 1968 is about Catalan identity and the celebration of the region's distinct culture.

 

[Fener1907]

Everyone makes the same mistake with the same assumptions. Mes Que un Club in applying some kind of arrogant virtue to it. It is nothing of the sort. The title Mes Que un Club is steeped in historical and social context; they're one of the only clubs in existence that are owned collectively by fans, hence More than a Club (not owned outright by one individual or group of businessmen), and secondly, it's a statement in general about Catalonia, culture and how the club is the pride of that culture.

It's got nothing to do with attempting to set itself as better than other clubs, but rather in celebration of its historic, social and cultural values.

Catalonia itself gives off that vibe, so since the club embodies what the region stands for, it certainly can come across that way.

 

[Cal?]

Everyone makes the same mistake with the same assumptions. Mes Que un Club in applying some kind of arrogant virtue to it. It is nothing of the sort. The title Mes Que un Club is steeped in historical and social context; they're one of the only clubs in existence that are owned collectively by fans, hence More than a Club (not owned outright by one individual or group of businessmen), and secondly, it's a statement in general about Catalonia, culture and how the club is the pride of that culture.

It's got nothing to do with attempting to set itself as better than other clubs, but rather in celebration of its historic, social and cultural values.

Mes Que un Club may not have that meaning historically, but the way the club operates nowadays certainly reeks of a holier than thou attitude.

 

[RoyH1]

Everyone makes the same mistake with the same assumptions. Mes Que un Club in applying some kind of arrogant virtue to it. It is nothing of the sort. The title Mes Que un Club is steeped in historical and social context; they're one of the only clubs in existence that are owned collectively by fans, hence More than a Club (not owned outright by one individual or group of businessmen), and secondly, it's a statement in general about Catalonia, culture and how the club is the pride of that culture.

It's got nothing to do with attempting to set itself as better than other clubs, but rather in celebration of its historic, social and cultural values.

I’m well aware of where it comes from. It still doesn’t change the fact that there is distinct sense of “we’re holier than thou’ emanating from the club. Athletic Bilbao is also fan owned (as is Real Madrid btw), is also very representative of the Basque region’s unique national significance, but comes across as much more humble and centered organisation than Barsa.

 

[rotherham_red]

Everyone makes the same mistake with the same assumptions. Mes Que un Club in applying some kind of arrogant virtue to it. It is nothing of the sort. The title Mes Que un Club is steeped in historical and social context; they're one of the only clubs in existence that are owned collectively by fans, hence More than a Club (not owned outright by one individual or group of businessmen), and secondly, it's a statement in general about Catalonia, culture and how the club is the pride of that culture.

It's got nothing to do with attempting to set itself as better than other clubs, but rather in celebration of its historic, social and cultural values.

I suggest you read up on Barca's historical links with Franco and how the Camp Nou was built.

The Mes Que un Club mantra is utter bollocks.

 

[Ban]

I suggest you read up on Barca's historical links with Franco and how the Camp Nou was built.

The Mes Que un Club mantra is utter bollocks.

What Barca links with Franco?

 

[calodo2003]

I suggest you read up on Barca's historical links with Franco and how the Camp Nou was built.

The Mes Que un Club mantra is utter bollocks.

Real was Franco’s team, no?

Sorry, marukomu, no more derailing by me!

 

[Hoof the ball]

I suggest you read up on Barca's historical links with Franco and how the Camp Nou was built.

The Mes Que un Club mantra is utter bollocks.

When General Franco tried to suppress the Catalan identity by banning the native language and forcing to use only Spanish names, it was the only place where people gathered and showed their dissatisfaction and discontent.

It stood firmly against all the hardships and trouble created by the government at Madrid. People saw FC Barcelona as a staunch defender of human rights, freedom, and democracy.

It was not just a club but a platform to register their discontent towards the autocratic rule of General Franco. For people living in Catalonia, it is not just a football stadium: it is their place of worship. Camp Nou was one of the few places where they could openly talk in their native language.

 

[rotherham_red]

What Barca links with Franco?

Real was Franco’s team, no?

Sorry, marukomu, no more derailing by me!

Camp Nou was built using public funds from Franco's government, and several members of Barca's board at the time were regime supporters.

Also, Atleti was the team that Franco supported (with its links to the Spanish Air Force) but once Real got the 5 ECs in the 50s, the regime co-opted them rather than there being support of them from the very beginning of his reign.

 

[rotherham_red]

When General Franco tried to suppress the Catalan identity by banning the native language and forcing to use only Spanish names, it was the only place where people gathered and showed their dissatisfaction and discontent.

It stood firmly against all the hardships and trouble created by the government at Madrid. People saw FC Barcelona as a staunch defender of human rights, freedom, and democracy.

It was not just a club but a platform to register their discontent towards the autocratic rule of General Franco. For people living in Catalonia, it is not just a football stadium: it is their place of worship. Camp Nou was one of the few places where they could openly talk in their native language.

You've literally swallowed the PR spiel from Barcelona there. It's not that black and white at all.

 

[Ridge Racer]

You've literally swallowed the PR spiel from Barcelona there. It's not that black and white at all.

it's such bullshit how they repeat the blatant lie that the catalan language was banned. Let's ignore that plenty of singers sang in catalan back then (serrat being the most famous), or how there were literature awards for books written in catalan (https://www.dolcacatalunya.com/2014/03/cuando-franco-premiaba-libros-en-catalan/). A single internet search dispels all those myths.

 

[Ban]

Camp Nou was built using public funds from Franco's government, and several members of Barca's board at the time were regime supporters.

Also, Atleti was the team that Franco supported (with its links to the Spanish Air Force) but once Real got the 5 ECs in the 50s, the regime co-opted them rather than there being support of them from the very beginning of his reign.

Well of course, that was a way too keep them in check.

 

[carvajal]

The idea arose before Franco, with Primo de Rivera, when the Catalan bourgeoisie began to use the club for their political purposes.
Més que un club is simply a slogan devised by a president, in the same way that Florentino used the term galáctico.
Without talking about their identity and what they consider an ideology of freedom and blabla is strange that arise in 1968, starting the "tardofranquismo" (Franco old and docile).
Before that, as has been mentioned a thousand times they got the signing of Kubala + the requalification of Les Corts.
It could also be said that the first thing Franco did was dismantle Madrid's squad because it was full of Communists.
Those favors logically had to be awarded with medals(three times)

Spoiler

Barcelona recently dispossessed him from these medals. Decision promoted by politicians (in this case from Belgium or from the cell) as has been happening in Barcelona since the era of Laporta.

Nowadays that concept does not make sense. Even though it encourages them to do good things, like their time with Unicef,
In the end they end up fooling themselves, changing the sponsor to Qatar and defending the regime because people "are happy", as Xavi said.
Or when Madrid splurged money signing Bale,while they had another values... and shortly after it was discovered payments to Neymar pai

 

[Cal?]

The idea arose before Franco, with Primo de Rivera, when the Catalan bourgeoisie began to use the club for their political purposes.
Més que un club is simply a slogan devised by a president, in the same way that Florentino used the term galáctico.
Without talking about their identity and what they consider an ideology of freedom and blabla is strange that arise in 1968, starting the "tardofranquismo" (Franco old and docile).
Before that, as has been mentioned a thousand times they got the signing of Kubala + the requalification of Les Corts.
It could also be said that the first thing Franco did was dismantle Madrid's squad because it was full of Communists.
Those favors logically had to be awarded with medals(three times)

Spoiler

Barcelona recently dispossessed him from these medals. Decision promoted by politicians (in this case from Belgium or from the cell) as has been happening in Barcelona since the era of Laporta.

Nowadays that concept does not make sense. Even though it encourages them to do good things, like their time with Unicef,
In the end they end up fooling themselves, changing the sponsor to Qatar and defending the regime because people "are happy", as Xavi said.
Or when Madrid splurged money signing Bale,while they had another values... and shortly after it was discovered payments to Neymar pai

It's pretty clear that Barca are just as dirty as any other club (if not more so), yet they have the audacity to act holier than thou in everything they do.

 

[VBI]

I'm glad there's a thread on here for people to bitch about and make ill-formed comments about Barca, because that's never happened on this forum before.

 

[P-Ro]

People saw FC Barcelona as a staunch defender of human rights, freedom, and democracy.

Absolutely nauseating stuff here. This sounds like it is lifted from their propaganda laden circle jerk stadium tour where you are essentially told that FC Barcelona in Catalan means world peace. Just a scummy football club.

 

[carvajal]

It's pretty clear that Barca are just as dirty as any other club (if not more so), yet they have the audacity to act holier than thou in everything they do.

I respect them a lot as a club, and the Madrid of today is better thanks to copy things from them,
but I liked them more when I was a kid. In fact many of my favorite players are from Barcelona of that era.

I think even I was a bit happy with the goal of Koeman, to stop being "the Poulidor team" as Marca wrote in one of their guides many years ago ,but since Laporta / Independence they have disenchanted many neutrals and some Barcelona fans from the rest of Spain.

They are very annoying with politics. Even Athletic, much more radical is their philosophy is not all day bothering with the subject. They try to separate the two things.

 

[Charles Miller]

The political utilization of that club should not be allowed by Fifa. Also, under the risk of be banned i need to say that i read the primary sources on the origins of everything is happen there in Cataluña and in my opinion this is not different of any other older eugenic movement in Europe. That club is the most corrosive and negative institution in the history of this sport.

 

[MrMarcello]

I've seen the Unicef/not as clean as they claim bit mentioned on here in the past... what does it entail?

 

[UDontMessWith24]

Your question has nothing to do with Mes Que un Club. It dates back to 1968 is about Catalan identity and the celebration of the region's distinct culture.

Well you’ve reached scouse levels of sanctimony. Quite an accomplishment actually few can claim to have scaled such heights.

 

[Mb194dc]

Barsa and Liverpool are the most cringeworthy clubs in existence. One with their "mes que un club" crap and the other one with their "this means more" excrement

Catalans were repressed under a dictator for decades. They are still battling for independence now. That is why it's more than a club.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sport...-gives-voice-to-catalan-separatism/106936306/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Catalonia

https://www.barcelonas.com/catalan-culture-under-franco.html

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[Schneckerl]

Real was Franco’s team, no?

Sorry, marukomu, no more derailing by me!

That seems to be the opinion on the internet, but it's really not that simple.

Real Madrid were hurt in the first decade under Franco. Their president was exiled for example when Franco took power.

 

[calodo2003]

That seems to be the opinion on the internet, but it's really not that simple.

Real Madrid were hurt in the first decade under Franco. Their president was exiled for example when Franco took power.

Interesting. Would never have thought that.

 

[Ridge Racer]

Catalans were repressed under a dictator for decades.

yeah, only them. Everybody else in Spain was living the nice life under Franco.

 

[Casanova85]

This thread reeks of vitriol. A good place for "Still Salty 2009 and 2011 fans" to congregate and bitch about Barcelona, probable 2019 UCL winners, after knocking-out Liverpool, btw. Show some gratitude.

 

[MrMarcello]

This thread reeks of vitriol. A good place for "Still Salty 2009 and 2011 fans" to congregate and bitch about Barcelona, probable 2019 UCL winners, after knocking-out Liverpool, btw. Show some gratitude.

The first fifteen or so posts were lifted from another thread (and spread over a few pages as that thread was not solely about Barcelona) and formulated into a single thread for discussion after a poster requested such. It's not what you imply.

 

[Casanova85]

The first fifteen or so posts were lifted from another thread (and spread over a few pages as that thread was not solely about Barcelona) and formulated into a single thread for discussion after a poster requested such. It's not what you imply.

Then it's still one of the worst threads on the Caf, since we already have the more neutral-informative "Barcelona's rise as a football superpower".

 

[MrMarcello]

Actually, that may be where the posts did originally arise, do not recall. It was about the Franco/yadda yadda stuff that had pro-this/pro-that/anti-this/anti-that arguing over history which included Catalan, Real, etc.

 

[Casanova85]

"Més que un Club" is about catalanism and synergies. Some of you blokes act as if their motto was "Better than You!". Grow up and watch them knock-out Liverpool this Tuesday.

 

[Draconifire]

There is or rather was an inheritance of being Catalan, the culture and the club. It used to go hand in hand that if you support the Catalan way of life and its identity you were a fellow cule. Hence, its moto "Mes que..........". Though since the onset of Barto and his predecessor Rosell this connection has been a bit tainted and rather have been more of a marketing strategy. I have to agree somewhat that for the past almost a decade its kind of a facade.
Though I have to laugh at the vitriol people sometimes show in this forum.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Every historical club have some pretentious romantic nonsense attached to them. United, Liverpool, Real, Juve, AC Milan, Ajax,etc.

 

[Ishdalar]

It's pretty clear that Barca are just as dirty as any other club (if not more so), yet they have the audacity to act holier than thou in everything they do.

You've crossed the line between cynicism and vomit inducing comments a couple times, but this marks a new high.

A month after the Spanish Civil War began in 1936, several players from Barcelona enlisted in the ranks of those who fought against the military uprising, along with players from Athletic Bilbao.[34] On 6 August, Falangistsoldiers near Guadarrama murdered club president Josep Sunyol, a representative of the pro-independence political party.[35] He was dubbed the martyr of barcelonisme, and his murder was a defining moment in the history of FC Barcelona and Catalan identity.[36]

On 16 March 1938, Barcelona came under aerial bombardment from the Italian Air Force, causing more than 3,000 deaths, with one of the bombs hitting the club's offices.[39][40] A few months later, Catalonia came under occupation and as a symbol of the "undisciplined" Catalanism, the club, now down to just 3,486 members, faced a number of restrictions. All signs of regional nationalism, including language, flag and other signs of separatism were banned throughout Spain. The Catalan flag was banned and the club were prohibited from using non-Spanish names. These measures forced the club to change its name to Club de Fútbol Barcelona and to remove the Catalan flag from its crest.[41]

It's not a holier than thou attitude that irks people like you, is that you can't separate between your dislike of a team for certain reasons and the lies that have been spoken through hatred for years.

For a team that had his president executed, had his successors chosen by the people who murdered him, and were stripped of every sign of their identity, "Mes que un club" is not about being better than Real, Atletico, Lazio, United, Bayern or Livorno, it's about what the team was meant for people that were being oppressed under a fascist regime, an umbrella that shielded and allowed them to express their ideals of what they wanted for their region.

Maybe you'd be fine if Theresa May ordered to execute the president of Cardiff, stripped Wales of their flag, any sign of Wales identity and banished them from speaking Welsh. If they rose against that with a "Mes que un club" motto would you say they're just stating some sense of superiority over all the other teams?.

FC Barcelona Under Franco 1939-1974
When Franco came to power in 1939, he outlawed the use of foreign words in football club names so Football Club Barcelona became Club de Fútbol Barcelona and the letters FCB were replaced by CFB.

As the Dictatorship also outlawed the Catalan language and symbols, the Catalan flag was replaced by the Spanish flag, which is also red and yellow but has fewer stripes.

By the late 1940s, the political repression was beginning to loosen so in 1949, to mark the occasion of the club’s 50th anniversary, the four bars were allowed to return.

 

[rotherham_red]

This thread reeks of vitriol. A good place for "Still Salty 2009 and 2011 fans" to congregate and bitch about Barcelona, probable 2019 UCL winners, after knocking-out Liverpool, btw. Show some gratitude.

Read the thread before you get salty

 

[mvdk]

Barca history: Ajax/Cruijff philosophy + they can hold there players inside... Great club, but i liked Barca more when they had Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Ronaldinho, etc... Now it's more Messi. When Messi quits Football they can have the same problem as Real Madrid.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Basically, Barca's set-up is the one that most fans of every club in the world wish they had, even if some won't admit it.

They are the polar opposite of sugar-daddy clubs like City, PSG and Chelsea.

I'd love Spurs to be owned by the fans.

 

[Cal?]

You've crossed the line between cynicism and vomit inducing comments a couple times, but this marks a new high.

It's not a holier than thou attitude that irks people like you, is that you can't separate between your dislike of a team for certain reasons and the lies that have been spoken through hatred for years.

For a team that had his president executed, had his successors chosen by the people who murdered him, and were stripped of every sign of their identity, "Mes que un club" is not about being better than Real, Atletico, Lazio, United, Bayern or Livorno, it's about what the team was meant for people that were being oppressed under a fascist regime, an umbrella that shielded and allowed them to express their ideals of what they wanted for their region.

Maybe you'd be fine if Theresa May ordered to execute the president of Cardiff, stripped Wales of their flag, any sign of Wales identity and banished them from speaking Welsh. If they rose against that with a "Mes que un club" motto would you say they're just stating some sense of superiority over all the other teams?.

As I posted above:

Mes Que un Club may not have that meaning historically, but the way the club operates nowadays certainly reeks of a holier than thou attitude.

It's all about how the club operates in modern times. You used to be the club who refused to get a sponsor for your shirt and went to Qatar pretty quickly after using Unicef to get fans used to the idea of having a logo on the shirt. The shit you got upto to sign Neymar, the Barca academy of acting. That's is all fine and plenty of clubs do it, but only Barcelona act as if they're god's gift to football.

For comparison, Real Madrid have an aura of win at all cost, which is what a football club should try to do; Barcelona self proclaim the moral high ground yet basically do the same (if not more).

 

[4bars]

it's such bullshit how they repeat the blatant lie that the catalan language was banned. Let's ignore that plenty of singers sang in catalan back then (serrat being the most famous), or how there were literature awards for books written in catalan (https://www.dolcacatalunya.com/2014/03/cuando-franco-premiaba-libros-en-catalan/). A single internet search dispels all those myths.

Yeah nah. Before reading links from a rightwinged unionist platform I rather prefer to listen to my dads how he was physically punished at school to speak some words in catalan as it was forbidden at school.

Catalan was banned on every single administration. Village names and institution names were translated among others

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronologia_de_la_repressió_del_català#cite_note-49

Catalan books were forbidden and cultural festivals were celebrated in clandestinity till the late 60s early 70s when the dicatorship started to open and losing control over the rise of democratic forces and the european context that made them soften their policies

I must say that forbbiding catalan was not exclusive from Franco. It started in the XVIII century. Even Gaudi was detained at his 71 years old because he didn't want to speak in spanish to the police when he wanted to go to mass on the 11th of september. Police closed all the churches to avoid the celebration of the day of Catalonia:

https://www.naciodigital.cat/notici.../gaudi/detingut/parlar/catala/avui/fa/93/anys

And like that many many many other examples that are documented