Barcelona have confirmed record revenues of €990 million during the 2018-19 campaign

[MVBDX]

No they’re not. Bayern, Dortmund and Juventus all report revenue including transfer fees. It’s pretty common among clubs in Europe.

I didn't know about German clubs, so that'd be Juve and Barca, that's still not pretty common, and especially not among the top 3 who are looking to pass milestone after milestone.

 

[cyberman]

It's quite telling to see how far City have moved up over the years by shrews business development. They've even upped their social media presence and have a vision for building their brand on top of the football.

Really can't emphasize enough that Woodward isn't even a business mastermind let alone competent enough to oversee football decisions



Sorry mate but in the real world, cash flow trumps. Barcelona impresses and United pales in comparison with our resources and especially having started ahead.

I feel like you may have missed certain stories that broke this year that lead to a few ongoing investigations..

 

[Interval]

That's not going to happen and there'll be other clubs who get screwed much worse than Barcelona in that case.

Secondly, players contracts are fixed term commitments. So are the sponsorship contracts and television deals that make up the revenue coming in. So it's not as if they will get completely blindsided by a fall in revenue.

If they do in some unlikely event lose a chunk of their revenue overnight, they can just choose not to spunk the 100s of millions they do in transfers every summer.

Football clubs aren't like other profit making organisations. Cash isn't as important for them, because there's only so many things they can spend it on - unlike other billion dollar companies, who need it to invest in R&D, pay out shareholders, acquisitions and expansion.

kuch bhi

 

[Sterling Archer]

I feel like you may have missed certain stories that broke this year that lead to a few ongoing investigations..

I'll change my opinion once there's a conclusion to the investigations.

 

[cyberman]

I'll change my opinion once there's a conclusion to the investigations.

Why? We aren't a court of law? Plus if you're praising their sponsorship deals in 2019 then you're just trying to make a point IMO.
City's business dealings is the last thing to be praised, its a cancer to football.
Its like praising Messi accountants just before the verdicts kept rolling in.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why? We aren't a court of law? Plus if you're praising their sponsorship deals in 2019 then you're just trying to make a point IMO.
City's business dealings is the last thing to be praised, its a cancer to football.
Its like praising Messi accountants just before the verdicts kept rolling in.

You're being rather hysterical and missing the big picture. Let's drop the sponsorship deals and focus on the other aspects of growing their business that Ive noted on many occasions and are equally important if not more important given that all premier league teams are blessed with lavish sponsor deals:

Their focus on branding and growing that thru digital marketing as well as ownership of multiple football teams in both the US and Australia. Add to that their deal with EA and of course their focus on on the field success, they've got their names on the board as one of the big boys. And that's coming from being a running joke as the other club.

So again, ignore the part we disagree on or that's still awaiting formal judgement, and consider that if you took Man City around the globe now looking for sponsorship, you'd get it. Because they are currently England's best.

What have we done in that same time frame from the commercial point of view? Rested on our laurels. The deals we've made are not down to Woodward being brilliant rather United being so for three decades prior to him. And if you look at the growth we have had in comparison with the premier league as a whole, you have a different perspective. Which is that we haven't done well enough. If you don't think it has caught up to us, it will.

 

[cyberman]

You're being rather hysterical and missing the big picture. Let's drop the sponsorship deals and focus on the other aspects of growing their business that Ive noted on many occasions and are equally important if not more important given that all premier league teams are blessed with lavish sponsor deals:

Their focus on branding and growing that thru digital marketing as well as ownership of multiple football teams in both the US and Australia. Add to that their deal with EA and of course their focus on on the field success, they've got their names on the board as one of the big boys. And that's coming from being a running joke as the other club.

So again, ignore the part we disagree on or that's still awaiting formal judgement, and consider that if you took Man City around the globe now looking for sponsorship, you'd get it. Because they are currently England's best.

What have we done in that same time frame from the commercial point of view? Rested on our laurels. The deals we've made are not down to Woodward being brilliant rather United being so for three decades prior to him. And if you look at the growth we have had in comparison with the premier league as a whole, you have a different perspective. Which is that we haven't done well enough. If you don't think it has caught up to us, it will.

City are a small club who have a lot more scope because of how small they are.
If Invited had the same room for growth then Ed wouldn't have been doing his job properly over the last. Few years.
Even then City haven't grown at such an impressive rate hence the need to bring in money laundering sponsorships in the first place.
We overtook Madrid over the last 6 years with our disastrous seasons v 4 times CL winners.
You can criticise Ed over a lot of things but growing our brand isn't one of them imo

 

[Sterling Archer]

City are a small club who have a lot more scope because of how small they are.
If Invited had the same room for growth then Ed wouldn't have been doing his job properly over the last. Few years.
Even then City haven't grown at such an impressive rate hence the need to bring in money laundering sponsorships in the first place.
We overtook Madrid over the last 6 years with our disastrous seasons v 4 times CL winners.
You can criticise Ed over a lot of things but growing our brand isn't one of them imo

It's not as simple as you think, mate - just reading revenues. The biggest compounding factor that a lot of folks seem to miss is the shared revenue system in England where United, despite poor seasons, has benefitted tremendously in building it's profile in the two decades before Ed. So with all the new money being put into the league, United still gets a significant amount of the share, often more than ever champions, because of our legacy not Woodward.

Contrast the PL revenue with La Liga revenue and the latter, in 2018 for instance per Deloitte, trailed significantly with 2/3 of the massive multi billion amount of the PL. Plus, revenue sharing is a recent thing for la Liga, so Madrid's continued run up top is heavily fueled by the international success albeit they have been poor domestically.

The best comparison is Barca, who despite being in the financially skinnier la Liga, for many years going without sponsors, have upped all their efforts and overtaken us.

Plus instead of total revenue, consider year on year percentages.

We are the silver spoon fed spoiled brats that have been outthought , outworked and outperformed by clubs that have not just rested on their laurels.

 

[Mb194dc]

Looks like Coutinho stuck at Barcelona, zero bids have come in:

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/spa.../sources-barcelona-worried-over-coutinho-sale

Wondering if they've considered a swap for Bale .

I guess Neymar will then also be stuck at PSG as Barcelona can nowhere near afford the transfer.

 

[Skills]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52092809

I know this fairly old news now but there's been a lot of talk about PL clubs already. But the point I want to make is - is there genuinely a worst run big club in the world outside or Barcelona? There wage bill has been insane for a long, long time but that has never stopped them from going out spending 100s of millions on players season after season in the transfermarkt. The fact the players have had to take such a big paycut is due to how poorly the club is run.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52092809

I know this fairly old news now but there's been a lot of talk about PL clubs already. But the point I want to make is - is there genuinely a worst run big club in the world outside or Barcelona? There wage bill has been insane for a long, long time but that has never stopped them from going out spending 100s of millions on players season after season in the transfermarkt. The fact the players have had to take such a big paycut is due to how poorly the club is run.

Yup, they've been poorly run for years now - Messi's brilliance on the pitch has papered over the cracks.

 

[JJ12]

When’s Messi’s current deal run out?

 

[Amar__]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52092809

I know this fairly old news now but there's been a lot of talk about PL clubs already. But the point I want to make is - is there genuinely a worst run big club in the world outside or Barcelona? There wage bill has been insane for a long, long time but that has never stopped them from going out spending 100s of millions on players season after season in the transfermarkt. The fact the players have had to take such a big paycut is due to how poorly the club is run.

I said it few times, if they continue like this when Messi is done with playing fotball they will fall behind top4 easily in Spain. Their transfer policy looks to be run by kids playing FIFA.