There's so much money involved with the greatest player of all time that the majority of teams could find a suitable deal with Barca that would benefit everyone. Given the situation there.
Barcelona in crisis after six directors resign in protest at way club is run
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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With the favorable tax regime there is in Italy at the moment, I can see Inter going for it provided there is no transfer fee involved.
It'd certainly be interesting to see Messi play alongside the likes of Young.
If he can opt out of the contract? Anybody who can afford his wages would. He's still completely absurd
Pretty sure that clause to leave on a free this year expired in June.
Their line up today looks shite. Our current strongest line up could actually beat that easily.
Barcelona today was a poor man's Argentina first team. Pathetic
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The loan comes from a joint operation between Goldman Sachs, Citi, Banco Santander, CaixaBank and Banco Sabadell, that's 3 Spanish banks and, of course, 2 of them are Catalan, for around 400M, the rest comes from bond issue, and the loan will be guaranteed against the commercial revenue of the new marketing spaces built with that money.
There should also be a grace period between the start of remodelations and the first year we start to pay, allegedly it could be a minimum of 5 years and maximum of 8, so juggernaut contracts like Messi or Suarez, plus a hit in revenue from match day doesn't affect the whole operation.
Our board is inept to sporting decisions, but have done a reasonable job making money, also, they don't have the power to put this in motion, they have/had to get the OK from the partners, which can be pro, neutral or against the current board.
Hopefully the class of 2009 fans also retire, So that the Club can be likeable again. Like it was before them.
You honestly think If Messi says I want to play in the Premier League and dont mind if its at City or United...we both wouldn't fight for his signature?
Between Mata, Lingard and Sanchez im sure you can pay for a Messi.
I'm not saying that his wages can't be paid, I'm saying if in some alternate universe that happens it might not be worth it.
I really enjoy watching Messi play, I have flown to Barcelona a few times to watch Barca play and I've watched pretty much all of Barcas games since 2006 when Ronaldinho still at the peak of his powers.
I see United as a young squad now and I see players like Rashford, Martial, Greenwood all wanting to take the ball and take responsibility they are at a key stage in their development. I'd much rather take a 20-21 year old that's pretty much world class at £120-130M than take Messi.
Messi is Messi yes, but I'd much rather spend those wages on 2-3 additions across the squad that make the team better.
You also risk warping your whole wage structure with players like Messi, 'Oh Messi is on 500,000 a week then I'd like 250,000' when without Messi that player wouldn't even dream of asking for 150,000.
Again for me Messi is the GOAT, he's truly phenomenal but at this stage I wouldn't want him in the United squad because I'd much rather have the team we have now to develop together over the next season or so, and keep the core of the team together.
I don't honestly see Messi coming to the premier league now, it would be Italy, or retire at Barca.
I think though Messi should leave Barca, he's not going to win much there in his twilight years with the Barca board being as bad as it is.
Saw a fanpage saying Madrid should be ashamed of how they won the league.
The lack of self awareness is astonishing. They actually believe that they are houlier than thou. As if UCL 09 semi against Chelsea never happened.
But then I read your comment and realized for 90% of these, football started in 2009 so probably won't have a clue what happened in that game.
Getting rid of mighty mouse and his ridiculous wage would be a start. Best thing Barcelona could do now is part ways and rip the band aid off. 100% they'll renogotiate though.
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How could you really stop it though? You can't dictate to clubs how much they can and can't buy/sell players for.
For blindingly obvious cases such as this one maybe there should be some sort of sanction because it's so obvious but aside from that I don't see how you can police it.
They've been shocking in the transfer market over the last few years.
£107m for Greizmann
£105m for Coutinho
£100m for Dembele
Arguably non of them have lived up to their price tag and they'd be lucky to get half the money they've spent back in sales. Add to that a generation of star players all approaching the end of their careers. It's going to be a rough summer for them.
£107m for Greizmann
£105m for Coutinho
£100m for Dembele
Arguably non of them have lived up to their price tag and they'd be lucky to get half the money they've spent back in sales. Add to that a generation of star players all approaching the end of their careers. It's going to be a rough summer for them.
Greizmann would be a good super-sub for us.
Shockingly run club Molly coddled by UEFA.
I hope Joan Laporta stands for president, wins and takes back that club to sanity
I hope Joan Laporta stands for president, wins and takes back that club to sanity
Messi for player manager for the next season. Let the board back him with signings. And he would do lot worse than the manager whom he backstabbed by these kind of comments.
I don't know if any player in any club had this kind of stronghold over manager and the board of directors. The midget has been speaking too much recently. If he was playing under SAF, he would have kicked his butt and said keep calm or get the feck out.
I don't know if any player in any club had this kind of stronghold over manager and the board of directors. The midget has been speaking too much recently. If he was playing under SAF, he would have kicked his butt and said keep calm or get the feck out.
He earns €1m+ a week. How many teams are paying that?
The problem with leveraging like they have, is that they will need to be succesful in order to make repayments. This not that different to what other clubs have tried to do. Also, because the morons have taken their shirt manufacturing in house, it means that they need to sell those jerseys. You'll see a vast drop in Barcelona supporters once Messi retires or leaves. This will massively impact on their shirt revenue instead of simply making it fixed income.
Also, the estimate of close to 100 million euro per year for Messi also needs to be considered.
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I can guarantee that we wouldn't go for it. Saving on the wages of those 3 doesn't mean we'll then give it to 1 player.
Can you imagine the effect this will have on the other players if we gave one player 500k. And any future signings will ask for increased wages.
Any player who develops into a world class player will want mega wages. Simply doesn't make sense financially.
As someone else pointed out, only city and psg would do if. And one of the Italian teams probably. Maybe teams in Qatar or something but we're not talking about that.
From a sporting angle, do you think we'd spend 500k on a 33 yr old coming to a new league?
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Both he and Ronaldo will never put in shifts for the team I think, one reason for their 'longevity' and sometimes lack of long injuries is the fact they don't don't run themselves into the ground for the team.
If he really really wants to leave, maybe he wouldn't mind earning less than he is now.
Barcelona in crisis now with their own Moyes (Setién) and Ed (Bartomeu).
Interesting to see how and if they will bounce back for 20-21.
Interesting to see how and if they will bounce back for 20-21.
Apart from the off field issues, rebuilding the team while phasing Messi out will be a massive headache.
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Is Setien being sacked? They can’t take him to the CL
Messi should have gone already. Obviously a fantastic player, they're too reliant on one player. Very bad for the team.
Plus the galatico project mark 2, has not surprisingly totally failed. £400m+ wasted on transfers.
Need to rebuild with focus on La Masia players again.
Plus the galatico project mark 2, has not surprisingly totally failed. £400m+ wasted on transfers.
Need to rebuild with focus on La Masia players again.
I mean there is world class then there is whatever Messi and Ronaldo are. No player in their right mind will want to compete with wages to those 2.
If Barca have no money then it's time to put faith in those that they've spent big on already rather than continue to pander to Messi and Suarez, plays the likes of Coutinho and Griezmann in their best positions rather than shoehorning them in
The 500k wage isn't an issue, it's other players asking for higher wages that's the problem.
For example is Pogbas contract was sorted now at £350,000 a week and he signed, then United could do it, but mid-negotiations for players its not right to get a landmark signing. All other negotiations will start to ask more.
For a kit manufacturer like Adidas it would be monumental for them if United had a player like Messi, not only do they have their Man Utd kits with Adidas, but they have Messi too.
The 500k/w wages for Messi would be recouped from shirt sales, match-day revenue, sponsorships.
The issue is purely to do with the wage structure, and other players may stop developing too because they might become a little reliant on Messi to produce the goods each week.
Messi is the GOAT, would I want him at 28 at United? Absolutely, at 33? not so much.
Quite!On topic; lots of people saying they need to return to the academy to pull themselves out of this mire. Do they have the talent to pull that off?
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For the best player ever, playing in the one attacking position we are looking to strengthen?
I'd do it.
I even think it would make financial sense with all the commercial revenue it would generate.
Imagine the edge he'd bring to our attack, and how much Greenwood, Martial, Bruno and Rashford would learn from him. We'd be automatic title favourites for the next two seasons. No other signing would give us that.
Messi desperately needs a fresh start somewhere. Even at 33 he can still do some stuff other players can only dream of. He should take a wage cut and go and strutt his stuff somewhere else for a couple of seasons.
But I think other factors beside the money might play into him staying. Family, language, ulture and the prospect of enhancing his legacy by retiring a one club man.
But I think other factors beside the money might play into him staying. Family, language, ulture and the prospect of enhancing his legacy by retiring a one club man.
52m euros? If you could get him on a free the majority of the PL could pay that with change. We're talking about the greatest ever, think about how much would be recouped with all the lucrative financial deals.
No one in this league is paying him that kind of money. Greatest ever or not. He is 33, will demand a sizable signing fee plus agent fee. Furthermore, there is a knock on effect on the rest of the squad paying someone 1m a week. Just look at his current club. The entire wage bill has ballooned.
Apparently its actually 80m euros a year. Fecking insane.
Hopefully they go into administration, then they'll be 'Less than a club'...
It feels like Barcelona have made poor signings and wasted a lot of money. From being a club who signed the likes of Henry, Fabregas, Villa, Suarez, Neymar to signing the likes of Dembele, Turan, Coutinho, Gomes. Poor recruitment along with over reliance on an aging and expensive Messi is a recipe for disaster.
Knowing the situation in Spain, there's more chance of country itself dissolving than either Real or Barcelona going under. It will simply not happen...