They can take out a loan to cover it, push it out for another 5 years
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Question, theoretically if Messi didnt re-sign for this season and went elsewhere. How much money do Barcelona need to find to get under the La Liga Salary cap?
it’s a very fair point but I legit trust Laporta far more than Barto
Add me to the list, every extra struggle those arrogant twats have makes me smile even more
Still more than 100 million. Messi isn't the issue in terms of salary. He's the one holding the club together, like Spiderman and that ferry.
At least they have Pedri and Gavi.
Probably already been said. Barca should just do a reset. Keep Messi, Pique, Basquet as a spine get rid of the others eg Griezman, Dembele etc etc , forget Depay, sign Garcia and any other ex Barca youth players who are doing well.
Then rely mostly on the academy, true they won’t win la Liga or the CL, unless if they get a group like the mid 00s , but after a few seasons they’ll be back.
Then rely mostly on the academy, true they won’t win la Liga or the CL, unless if they get a group like the mid 00s , but after a few seasons they’ll be back.
I totally get what you’re saying but this is like declaring bankruptcy and when the bailiffs come around saying they have to take the wooden dining table and not the Porsche on the drive. They’ve completely fecked themselves yet they aren’t acting like a club taking their current predicament seriously at all - the Messi “pay cut” is insanity purely designed to bypass the La Liga FFP - they’re signing Aguero, Depay and Garcia before anyone leaves - and they think they can get a fee for griezmman and not pay off any of his insane contract. They’re totally deluded and if there was any justice in football they’d collapse like they deserve to. More than a club my arse.
Welcome to the club bro
Add me as well
Wow, they are gonna have to sell one of their jewels i.e. de jong to get anywhere near that figure.
You do know how much griezmann currently earns right?
Not even city are paying his wages. He is there for the duration unless there is some dodgy player swap deal that cooks the books
This pretty much sums it up.
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I hope football fans learn from this. The constant defamed from fans for clubs to spend beyond their means is not good for the game.
A quick glance in the transfer forum would suggest fans are not learning anything from this.
Nope. And when things like this happen to there club they will just shout scream and paddy and demand more money is spent.
He's a very good player though. His contract is till 2024. They could use his transfer fee to subsidize his wages and get him off the books.
They're stuck with all the other top earners. No one is going near the likes of Dembele and players like Alba have very little value.
De Jong and Ter Stegen would get a lot of interest (hopefully by us). Selling Pedri/Fati is not something the fans would accept.
It's fans that asked to make Dembele/Griezman/Pjanic/Coutinho/Umtiti/Roberto some of the highest-paid footballers in the world? Did their fans ask to pay 135 million for Dembele? They're a poorly run club. It has nothing to do with their fans.
Find me a set of supporters anywhere that condone ridiculous laughable wages for every other player like Barca have done over the last few years.
They elect their presidents based on a series of player related promises they deliver to the fans. How is it nothing to do with the fans?
Most Barca fans aren't members and don't vote. Most fans aren't even local.
Just because you get a vote once in a while doesn't mean you're responsible. People that voted Bush aren't responsible for the 2 invasions.
Why dO yOu cARe? iT'S n0t YOur moNeY iS It?
Barcelona fans successfully ran Bartomeu out of the club.
Erm, yes they are.
After electing him in the first place on this promise..
https://www.football-espana.net/2015/06/27/bartomeu-promises-more-signings
They are 100% fan owned. I think that ownership structure poses some fundamental risks. The board at any one time has no incentive to preserve the long term financial future of the club, the priority is getting elected for another term. It is all about the present and all their working capital is invested into the team. What's more, the ownership structure means sporting needs will always take precedence over financial needs. I don't think that is always a good thing.
I wonder, are these reports of them asking the WHOLE squad to take a 50% wage reduction true?
If so, not announcing a new Messi contact makes total sense, regardless of his 'reduction' (some creative accounting I am sure!) as I can imagine it would make others more reluctant to any reductions.
And why would most of the players there agree to support the club? A large portion of the squad have been signed from other clubs, so the emotional ties are tenuous, and most players know that a club will push them out the door without much hesitation nowadays. A players career is short, loyalty in modern football is getting even more scarce, and the pandemic has made clubs struggle to increase wages and fees, so that's why we are seeing and will continue to see a lot more players running contracts down.
Basically, what I am saying is, how cheap do you think we might be able to get De Jong for?
If so, not announcing a new Messi contact makes total sense, regardless of his 'reduction' (some creative accounting I am sure!) as I can imagine it would make others more reluctant to any reductions.
And why would most of the players there agree to support the club? A large portion of the squad have been signed from other clubs, so the emotional ties are tenuous, and most players know that a club will push them out the door without much hesitation nowadays. A players career is short, loyalty in modern football is getting even more scarce, and the pandemic has made clubs struggle to increase wages and fees, so that's why we are seeing and will continue to see a lot more players running contracts down.
Basically, what I am saying is, how cheap do you think we might be able to get De Jong for?
How could people in 2000 have known he was gonna invade 2 countries?
Or are you referring to 2004 where both candidates supported both invasions?
Do you think labour voters are responsible for the iraq invasion as well?
Do we know what the stance of Barca fans are on the Messi situation?
Simplified, it seems to be the case that they are cutting down their squad and the wages of other players to keep someone who while a legend is now 34 and tried to leave the club a year ago?
Why not just let him go and start building for the future?
Simplified, it seems to be the case that they are cutting down their squad and the wages of other players to keep someone who while a legend is now 34 and tried to leave the club a year ago?
Why not just let him go and start building for the future?
Like pretty much always a very detailed analysis by Swiss Ramble about their financial situation and quite interesting that to see that our revenue actually fell even more than theirs in 2020 due to not qualifying for the CL, which also explains why a lot of the big clubs are so hell bend on wanting a guaranteed starting spot. While we are back in the CL I find these numbers a bit worrying though, it's not like our debt is unmanageable yet but we seem to steer more and more towards murkier waters as well.
Both wars were underway by 2004. Generally I tend to blame most Americans though, as their entire culture is extremely militaristic. Opposing an active war after a year would have been complete political suicide for the Democrats.
Generally the Labour party do not promote a militaristic position unlike the Republicans, but they did then return him in 2005. Although in fairness huge numbers of Labour voters were opposed and the alternative was the Tories who have never met a war they didn't like, so the situation is slightly different to the US.
He's 30 years old. No resale value from his next contract. On €800k pw net of tax.
Maybe someone will pony up £40m for him and all of that money + a bit extra from Barca will be needed to bring the cost per week for the purchasing side down to a "reasonable" £350k.
Its still a colossal waste of money though. I can't even add up how much he'll have cost them and they'll have to pay even more to get rid of him.
Sell us Pedri
City are clearly paying players a second wage via off the books accounts. No way do their players never ever want to leave if they are being paid the going rate of what other clubs would pay them.
I remember thinking in about 2003 that everyone would learn from Leeds United's experience ... turned out no one did really
Quite a few posters on the Car argue that footballers are worth their ridiculous wages, and that they condone their contracts due to their worth and the inflated market. Therefore, the notion is not as far fetched as you would make it.
Blaming the fans is an easy cop out. Still, plenty on here said United should pay “whatever it takes” to retain an in-decline De Gea.
Can’t we Chuck a cheeky bid in for De Jong ?
C’mon I’m riding a wave of transfer positivity, he’s be feckin perfect for us.
C’mon I’m riding a wave of transfer positivity, he’s be feckin perfect for us.
Most of the numbers I've seen have him on less than 800k pw, but in the scenario you painted they'll be paying him 75M to subsidize his wages over his remaining contract duration. They would end up paying him 35M to feck off. Still in the short term it's 40M now, of which 25M will be left next summer. They don't really have a choice. and someone paying 40M for him with 300k salary for the next 3 years is realistic, he is very good.
Does subsidizing his wages in this way get him off the wage bill for the purposes of the Spanish FA's FFP? I think so right?
In that case they can repeat this for a few more players and use the academy to fill the bench.