"Alt-right snowflake triggered by reason and logic." Needs to happen.Youtube vids with these kind of titles start popping up
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It's a indictment on both Shapiro and state of American media that his reaction to being challenged on his views from a middle-ground perspective (in UK terms) is to cry bias. I'm not a big Andrew Neil fan, as his right-wing bias does come out a lot, but he did his job there and deserves credit.
I do think there's a danger in taking this interview as an example of why debating the far-right is a good thing though. A robust interview with a brat like Shapiro is one thing, but often you have far more savvy operators being handed far softer interviews. Those situations have allowed the far-right to get extreme views with no factual basis into the national dialogue. The BBC is hugely responsible for the rise of the right in this country by their constant platforming of Farage, Boris Johnson and their ilk and their failure to adequately challenge them. Neil has been as guilty of that as anyone.
I do think there's a danger in taking this interview as an example of why debating the far-right is a good thing though. A robust interview with a brat like Shapiro is one thing, but often you have far more savvy operators being handed far softer interviews. Those situations have allowed the far-right to get extreme views with no factual basis into the national dialogue. The BBC is hugely responsible for the rise of the right in this country by their constant platforming of Farage, Boris Johnson and their ilk and their failure to adequately challenge them. Neil has been as guilty of that as anyone.
Was it an MSM interview ?
Dont fall for it.
So he is famous and has millions of viewers because he is a random dude talking about politics? What exactly makes him different to the next random guy in the pub again?
He’s more disingenuos, has a more annoying voice and a more punchable face than the average pub pleb.
Apparently, he is the Lionel Messi of debating.
Then no wonder he got destroyed by an Englishman outside of his comfort zone. Dominating domestically against blue-haired college hippie sociology students alone doesn't cut it for the Ballon d'Bate IMO.
It shows the problem with how Ben Shapiro and his ilk view the world. It was an interview and not a competition so why frame it as winning and losing? Why be so combative when faced with such straightforward questions? And how much preparation does he need to do to explain his own words?
It was the BBC.
More like it...
Ahh right. Didn't realize UK channels were part of the MSM, which is usually directed at American media.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-poli...shapiro-terminates-interview-with-andrew-neil
The video is quite funny. What an arrogant little oppressive cnut he is. No one has heard of Andrew Neil?
The video is quite funny. What an arrogant little oppressive cnut he is. No one has heard of Andrew Neil?
Really telling that he couldn't handle a simple interview with relatively simple questions.
Mr facts don’t care about your feelings/the left needs to stop name calling got his feelings hurt and reverted to his only trick-name calling. fecking loser.
@Raoul MSM is directed mainly at US media ...when in America. People in many counties label their own mainstream media “mainstream media” too you know BBC in the UK, RTE in Ireland...
@Raoul MSM is directed mainly at US media ...when in America. People in many counties label their own mainstream media “mainstream media” too you know
BBC in the UK, RTE in Ireland...You misunderstood the point @Drifter was making in his post.
This interview highlights how terrible the American MSM is because Shapiro wouldn't have been interviewed like this by them.
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I actually got that bit when I first read his post. The trouble is he rarely appears on US MSM media with the exception of Fox where he's brought on as a propaganda stooge to reinforce their pro-Trump narratives. The MSM reference therefore may have not been entirely appropriate. Shapiro is basically a social media guy who does most of his comedy routine on Twitter and YouTube.
I've always viewed the term as synonymous with corporate media - as in media organizations owned by large corporations who generally shy away from asking questions that may sit oddly with their corporate owners.Mr facts don’t care about your feelings/the left needs to stop name calling got his feelings hurt and reverted to his only trick-name calling. fecking loser.
@Raoul MSM is directed mainly at US media ...when in America. People in many counties label their own mainstream media “mainstream media” too you know
Not sure about ownership, but all major media is run by catering to owners and the ones buying ads from them, so you get similar portrayals of issues that are of importance to corpotate ownership.
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very disingenuous of Shapiro to claim he called the pro-life position barbaric
he was specifically referring to laws that give women lengthy prison sentences for abortions
he was specifically referring to laws that give women lengthy prison sentences for abortions
He's so small and squeaky.
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Wonder if he can do it on a cold, rainy night in a Stoke town hall.
Hilarious own goal from Shapiro.
Just yesterday Anderson Cooper was interviewing Bannon and instead of challenging him on his views, he just let him go on his "globalists are evil" propaganda without even asking him to explain it, since he was talking about China. This after last week late shows on CNN talked about the dangers of nationalism in america. It's such BS.
Never heard of Andrew Neil, but I quite like him so far.
He's actually very much on the right. Climate change denier, worked for Newcorp and involved in right wing media in the UK. He was just following the BBC format of taking contrary positions to their guests and challenging their ideas.
This is why people advocating to abolish the BBC worry me (I know it has faults) because we'd end up with a God awful US style partisan media. I'd say it's that media that plays a big part in allowing people like Shapiro to become so prominent.
There's a small lie Shapiro got away within the larger meltdown.
He was asked if he is cheapening discourse with titles like "Shapiro destroys abortion" etc. It is so popular it is a meme, I think half the people in this thread (at least) will be familiar with it. He replied that the didn't put the titles, and the interview moved. Actually, it is he (through the website *he runs*, the Daily Wire, that put the title.
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(Edit - Shapiro also used to have his father put those titles, at one point: https://nyulocal.com/is-ben-shapiro...complimentary-articles-about-him-609f2ecba40c)
(Hearing that interview now - the Jews in name only segment was excruciating)
He was asked if he is cheapening discourse with titles like "Shapiro destroys abortion" etc. It is so popular it is a meme, I think half the people in this thread (at least) will be familiar with it. He replied that the didn't put the titles, and the interview moved. Actually, it is he (through the website *he runs*, the Daily Wire, that put the title.
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(Edit - Shapiro also used to have his father put those titles, at one point: https://nyulocal.com/is-ben-shapiro...complimentary-articles-about-him-609f2ecba40c)
(Hearing that interview now - the Jews in name only segment was excruciating)
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Was a weird match up seeing this US college conservative talking to Andrew
Northern Europe and US are really quite different as well, religion is just not a thing here, there's barely any pro life vs pro choice, I actually don't hear any at all but of course you may be able to find some tin pot group somewhere but in reality it's been done and dusted decades ago but in the US it's still a big divide. Guns are another major difference, Ben Shapiro is a big gun proponent. He's better off in his American bubble, chalk and cheese politically.
Northern Europe and US are really quite different as well, religion is just not a thing here, there's barely any pro life vs pro choice, I actually don't hear any at all but of course you may be able to find some tin pot group somewhere but in reality it's been done and dusted decades ago but in the US it's still a big divide. Guns are another major difference, Ben Shapiro is a big gun proponent. He's better off in his American bubble, chalk and cheese politically.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ben-shapiro-apologises-andrew-neil-160013274.html
At least he goes someway to acknowledging he had a mare
At least he goes someway to acknowledging he had a mare
One thing that stuck in my mind from the 16 election was an interview of Reince Preibus by Chuck Todd. Preibus, the head if the GOP, finished the interview by saying Hillary Clinton was selling our nation's most precious secrets. Todd's response was we'll leave it there folks. Absolutely fecking pathetic.
Battle of 2 pricks.
It is funny though, how even a far-right (for European standards) pundit is called a leftist from a far-right American one. Just show the difference in politics between US and Europe.
It is funny though, how even a far-right (for European standards) pundit is called a leftist from a far-right American one. Just show the difference in politics between US and Europe.
Indeed... AOC and Sanders policies would be fairly centrist I think in most EU countries
Angela Merkel is center-right and Germany (under her leadership) has more 'socialist' policies than that commie Sanders want for US.
Thing is that Democrat party in US are a right wing party (not even center-right), Sanders, AOC and Co. are center right while Republicans are fascists.
Aye, Neil's politics could make Thatcher look like Lenin but the fact he absolutely despises weakness in politicians/pundits no matter what side they're on makes him a brutal interrogator when he's in the mood.
Was he even that ‘brutal’?
Most if not all of the points he hit Little Ben with have been raised in this very thread. The difference at the end of the day was that Shapiro couldn’t get away this time with his go-to card (which he did use) of calling his opponent a misguided pinko commie.
Not sure AOC has any policy that would qualify as center right even for Europe.
In what aspect is she more left wing than someone like Angela Merkel who is centre-right? All big things like Medicare for all, high taxes, free college are policies which are in effect in Germany for decades.