Please delete if this has been posted but apparently the sale of Ben White for £50m will exceed the accumulated total sales of Brighton players in the club's history since it formed in 1901 until 2020. Crazy if true.
Wish we already have mate. Will Fish will be in the first team in no time..If only we were the draw Arsenal are currently, and were going places like that club clearly is. No daft European distractions to deal with either. Wish we had the Spanish David Moyes
Uh... Watch the Rashford goal against Brighton. He sits White down and makes him look sillyI'm happy with the purchase of White. Is £50M expensive, damn right it is, but what you are doing here is paying for the player you think he can become.
Young, English born, ball playing defender. That comes with a premium right away. If anyone has watched us play out from the back at times last season, then you wouldn't argue we need a big improvement there, especially without Luiz. Considering how important Maguire is in this regard for Utd & England, I thought Utd fans would understand. He doesn't seem to come with the same mistakes as Luiz though, I seen a stat that says in his 80+ Games for Leeds & Brighton, he hasn't made an error that has led to a shot on target, while in the same time Luiz has made 4.
Everyone that talks about him in the game have nothing but praise for him. Former coaches, current coaches love him. I've heard guys like Townsend on Talksport say he was brilliant when he played against him, guys like Kalvin Phillips & Foden say he's the player that has surprised them the most in the England squad.
In saying that he's not perfect. The main weakness he has just now is his aerial duels, & let's be honest, if he was a bit taller with a better % at that, he'd likely be going to Utd, City or Chelsea rather than Arsenal in our present state.
It's also silly to compare the transfer to Varane. Both are at different stages, & so are both clubs. It's not like Arsenal have the choice of Varane. Utd need a world class defender to take them to the next level, Arsenal need a younger guy from who they can build a new team with.
I agree with the others on the Saliba situation, did we actually need White, when perhaps we could have given him the chance? Don't we have other positions of priority to fill? As long as the purchase doesn't stop us from buying a new partner for Partey & a new attacking midfielder, then I can't really complain.
Im not sure what part of that highlighted section I have wrong? Would that be classed as an error leading to a goal....no. Is it good defending.....no. But then again too forward can sometimes make good defenders look silly, seen Torres make Vidic look silly on a few occasions.Uh... Watch the Rashford goal against Brighton. He sits White down and makes him look silly
The point is he has clearly made mistakes leading to shots, or even goals against his team. You barely even have to look, especially on here, it was the most noteworthy part of the Brighton match because of all the hype over White and Lamptey and they were both exposed by Bruno and Rashford. Yes, he made several errors there leading to the goal.Im not sure what part of that highlighted section I have wrong? Would that be classed as an error leading to a goal....no. Is it good defending.....no. But then again too forward can sometimes make good defenders look silly, seen Torres make Vidic look silly on a few occasions.
Think both of these would be classed as errors leading to shots....doesnt mean he's not a top defender.
Well I'm sorry mate, take it up with the stats guys that classify what is & what isn't seen as an error. I don't make the rules.The point is he has clearly made mistakes leading to shots, or even goals against his team. You barely even have to look, especially on here, it was the most noteworthy part of the Brighton match because of all the hype over White and Lamptey and they were both exposed by Bruno and Rashford. Yes, he made several errors there leading to the goal.
eh why wouldn't we compare them?Some of the comments in here regarding the fee are a tad hypocritical coming from a fanbase that regularly dismiss critique of recent defensive purchases when based simply on their price tag.
Arsenal have got a highly rated English youngster who in isolation won’t transform them but could be a cog in a good defence in the future.
I fecking hate Arsenal but comparing the price we could pay for Varane is a tad disingenuous.
Good signing [potentially].
I think you have a potentially excellent defender on your hands. Brighton are my second team so I've watched a lot of them over the years.I'm happy with the purchase of White. Is £50M expensive, damn right it is, but what you are doing here is paying for the player you think he can become.
Young, English born, ball playing defender. That comes with a premium right away. If anyone has watched us play out from the back at times last season, then you wouldn't argue we need a big improvement there, especially without Luiz. Considering how important Maguire is in this regard for Utd & England, I thought Utd fans would understand. He doesn't seem to come with the same mistakes as Luiz though, I seen a stat that says in his 80+ Games for Leeds & Brighton, he hasn't made an error that has led to a shot on target, while in the same time Luiz has made 4.
Everyone that talks about him in the game have nothing but praise for him. Former coaches, current coaches love him. I've heard guys like Townsend on Talksport say he was brilliant when he played against him, guys like Kalvin Phillips & Foden say he's the player that has surprised them the most in the England squad.
In saying that he's not perfect. The main weakness he has just now is his aerial duels, & let's be honest, if he was a bit taller with a better % at that, he'd likely be going to Utd, City or Chelsea rather than Arsenal in our present state.
It's also silly to compare the transfer to Varane. Both are at different stages, & so are both clubs. It's not like Arsenal have the choice of Varane. Utd need a world class defender to take them to the next level, Arsenal need a younger guy from who they can build a new team with.
I agree with the others on the Saliba situation, did we actually need White, when perhaps we could have given him the chance? Don't we have other positions of priority to fill? As long as the purchase doesn't stop us from buying a new partner for Partey & a new attacking midfielder, then I can't really complain.
They need to name a stand or facility after him like Bellingham and Birmingham.Please delete if this has been posted but apparently the sale of Ben White for £50m will exceed the accumulated total sales of Brighton players in the club's history since it formed in 1901 until 2020. Crazy if true.
Not really crazy given that for the vast majority of that time we were in lower divisions and unlike United were never used to dealing in big money transfers. When we were in the old division one, I think the biggest transfer fee we got was about 1.5M for Mark Lawrenson when he went to Liverpool.Please delete if this has been posted but apparently the sale of Ben White for £50m will exceed the accumulated total sales of Brighton players in the club's history since it formed in 1901 until 2020. Crazy if true.
I hope so. I just think it's 1 of those deals that suit all parties in the end. I agree, on the face of it it's a lot of money. But then so was Maguire & Wan Bissaka to Utd & I'm not saying many complaints from Utd fans about that now. Sometimes to get your first choice, you just need to pay what the other club wants, like Utd did with Maguire to beat City to him.I think you have a potentially excellent defender on your hands. Brighton are my second team so I've watched a lot of them over the years.
Is £50m too much? Probably, yes. White was good last season - not without his faults, but remember it was his first season in the PL and his all-round game and talent are clear to see. And for a young English player who is on the rise (debut for the England team this year with some strong performances), we know there will always be a premium there.
On the one hand I'm gutted not to see him develop at the Amex for another season, but at the same time, £50m is an outrageously good deal for Brighton, especially in an area they are already well stacked at CB.
Its annoying when fans judge two transfers based on value. That's not what determines who is a good player and who isn't.I hope so. I just think it's 1 of those deals that suit all parties in the end. I agree, on the face of it it's a lot of money. But then so was Maguire & Wan Bissaka to Utd & I'm not saying many complaints from Utd fans about that now. Sometimes to get your first choice, you just need to pay what the other club wants, like Utd did with Maguire to beat City to him.
As I've said, we aren't paying for the complete defender yet, because if he was he wouldn't come to us, in the very same way there's no point in us talking about Varane, because he wouldn't come to us either.
I'm hoping it's the start of a good partnership with Gabriel, he's a front foot defender but can be a bit rash just now, hoping White can be a bit of a calmer influence that can cover in behind sometimes. I'm also hoping Saliba comes back into the fold after his loan as that would give us a selection of very decent young central defenders, but I might be clutching at straws for that to happen.
Maybe, but listening to opposition fans on signings is really daft. Does/will White make Arsenal better? He has the ability to move that defense and therefore team up a few levels imo. Does Varane have the ability to make us better, undeniably, and that's all there is to it for both teams surely?He's not a bad defender but I'm not sure about the price. Arsenal fans bending over backwards to try and make out he's better value than Varane. If we'd have signed White you'd have heard no end of it.
He is a solid signing. If I was given a chance, I would take him at United ahead of Lindelof.I'm happy with the purchase of White. Is £50M expensive, damn right it is, but what you are doing here is paying for the player you think he can become.
Young, English born, ball playing defender. That comes with a premium right away. If anyone has watched us play out from the back at times last season, then you wouldn't argue we need a big improvement there, especially without Luiz. Considering how important Maguire is in this regard for Utd & England, I thought Utd fans would understand. He doesn't seem to come with the same mistakes as Luiz though, I seen a stat that says in his 80+ Games for Leeds & Brighton, he hasn't made an error that has led to a shot on target, while in the same time Luiz has made 4.
Everyone that talks about him in the game have nothing but praise for him. Former coaches, current coaches love him. I've heard guys like Townsend on Talksport say he was brilliant when he played against him, guys like Kalvin Phillips & Foden say he's the player that has surprised them the most in the England squad.
In saying that he's not perfect. The main weakness he has just now is his aerial duels, & let's be honest, if he was a bit taller with a better % at that, he'd likely be going to Utd, City or Chelsea rather than Arsenal in our present state.
It's also silly to compare the transfer to Varane. Both are at different stages, & so are both clubs. It's not like Arsenal have the choice of Varane. Utd need a world class defender to take them to the next level, Arsenal need a younger guy from who they can build a new team with.
I agree with the others on the Saliba situation, did we actually need White, when perhaps we could have given him the chance? Don't we have other positions of priority to fill? As long as the purchase doesn't stop us from buying a new partner for Partey & a new attacking midfielder, then I can't really complain.
To be fair, English players generally cost a lot more.He's not a bad defender but I'm not sure about the price. Arsenal fans bending over backwards to try and make out he's better value than Varane. If we'd have signed White you'd have heard no end of it.
Given that @Ekeke loves citing Opta (or Opta derived) stats to prove how right he is, it'll be interesting seeing him try to explain how Opta are actually wrong here.Well I'm sorry mate, take it up with the stats guys that classify what is & what isn't seen as an error. I don't make the rules.
Someone like Xhaka would certainly like it to be reviewed.
Edit: Found the article that mentions it.
Another crucial difference with Luiz, the man he will be replacing at Arsenal, is that he rarely makes mistakes.
In fact, in 82 league appearances for Brighton and Leeds over the last two seasons, White has not made a single error leading to an opposition shot, according to Opta. Luiz, by contrast, has made four in 53 appearances in the same time frame.
https://www.skysports.com/transfer/...an-add-a-new-dimension-for-mikel-artetas-side
Did not know that, interesting. Anyway, if you think about it like he was thinking about it, surely most goals scores would have some element of errors from the defending team?Given that @Ekeke loves citing Opta (or Opta derived) stats to prove how right he is, it'll be interesting seeing him try to explain how Opta are actually wrong here.
We can sell you a Lindelof if you don’t care about heading. Good priceI'm happy with the purchase of White. Is £50M expensive, damn right it is, but what you are doing here is paying for the player you think he can become.
Young, English born, ball playing defender. That comes with a premium right away. If anyone has watched us play out from the back at times last season, then you wouldn't argue we need a big improvement there, especially without Luiz. Considering how important Maguire is in this regard for Utd & England, I thought Utd fans would understand. He doesn't seem to come with the same mistakes as Luiz though, I seen a stat that says in his 80+ Games for Leeds & Brighton, he hasn't made an error that has led to a shot on target, while in the same time Luiz has made 4.
Everyone that talks about him in the game have nothing but praise for him. Former coaches, current coaches love him. I've heard guys like Townsend on Talksport say he was brilliant when he played against him, guys like Kalvin Phillips & Foden say he's the player that has surprised them the most in the England squad.
In saying that he's not perfect. The main weakness he has just now is his aerial duels, & let's be honest, if he was a bit taller with a better % at that, he'd likely be going to Utd, City or Chelsea rather than Arsenal in our present state.
It's also silly to compare the transfer to Varane. Both are at different stages, & so are both clubs. It's not like Arsenal have the choice of Varane. Utd need a world class defender to take them to the next level, Arsenal need a younger guy from who they can build a new team with.
I agree with the others on the Saliba situation, did we actually need White, when perhaps we could have given him the chance? Don't we have other positions of priority to fill? As long as the purchase doesn't stop us from buying a new partner for Partey & a new attacking midfielder, then I can't really complain.
He might turn out shite but I wouldn’t be writing off any player after 45 mins.He cost £50m!! Looked absolutely lost so far.
Absolutely no chance he is justifying a 50m price tag. He’s worse than Lindelof in the air!He might turn out shite but I wouldn’t be writing off any player after 45 mins.
Wouldn't pay 50 pence after tonights performance.Absolutely no chance he is justifying a 50m price tag. He’s worse than Lindelof in the air!
How about 90?He might turn out shite but I wouldn’t be writing off any player after 45 mins.
I’m not even basing it on tonight’s performance. Even for Brighton I never saw the hype. A nice looking defender who steps out from the back. He’s so similar to Lindelof in many ways. But when it comes to defending he just looks bang average. He’s so poor in the air.Wouldn't pay 50 pence after tonights performance.