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Spend weeks moaning to bench Lukaku then moan about the fact he's been benched. Brilliant
Kaka at Real Madrid. Bale at Real MadridIt’s definitely very fecking unusual. Can anyone think of massively expensive players at other clubs sitting on the bench when fit and available for selection?
Morata and Luiz at Chelsea?
Dembele at Barcelona?
Any others?
Exactly this. If benching Lukaku makes you toothless up front then there is a serious problem with scouting and recruitment. The exact same thing happened under LVG where we looked toothless without Martial.Spend weeks moaning to bench Lukaku then moan about the fact he's been benched. Brilliant
Aubameyang went that same season.I see the Lukaku fee mentioned a lot but he replaced Ibrahimovic who came for free and we lost for nothing. Benching a 'free' transfer wouldn't be seen as an issue.
Alternatives that summer were the likes of Morata and Belotti for similar high fees but none as good as Ibra. It hasn't worked out but i reckon 90%+ on here would have 'wasted' that money on a striker in similar fashion that summer, including myself.
I think it's more a moan at the state of Jose transfer activity and how he cannot be trusted in the market. Fred Lukaku and Pogba cost a combined 220-240mill which is astonishing money and should transform your 1st team yet they get kept out by players from Van Gaal era.Spend weeks moaning to bench Lukaku then moan about the fact he's been benched. Brilliant
No. Don't you have some more copying and pasting you need to do?Don't you have a thread to be oblivious in?
The issue for me is not Mourinho benching the players. If they're not playing well, they deserved to be benched, regardless of price. The issue I have is that Mourinho is failing to get the best out of, not only Pogba and Lukaku, but Fred, Sanchez and Matic - five players he wanted at the club.
There 2 posts are spot on.I think it's more a moan at the state of Jose transfer activity and how he cannot be trusted in the market. Fred Lukaku and Pogba cost a combined 220-240mill which is astonishing money and should transform your 1st team yet they get kept out by players from Van Gaal era.
/thread.Two players who need to be dropped because they’re not putting the effort in.
/close thread
He’s failed miserably to get the best out of the players that he signed.Yes,the club should have backed him more last summer and yes,we probably need to appoint a DOF to help the manager from next season.But Mourinho signed 2 Centre backs,3 Central midfielders,2 high profile wingers and one 75 million striker....None of them can be called an unqualified success.Thats why Mourinho needs to go next summer,unless he can win the CL!!Pogba £90m
Lukuku £75m plus £15m easy add one.
Two players our manager wanted. Two players that probably took half our transfer budget in each summer they were purchased.
We can never improve spending this kind of money on one player then not using them.
This is a follow on thread from my ‘why did we buy Fred?’. I’m not questioning the quality of the players (although there is skeptism on how good Lukaku actually is) but continually buying expensive players then not using them is plan stupid and it’s been a common theme under Mourinho.
Bailly - £30m before CB prices went crazy. No longer used, arguably our best CB but still a raw talent, should have bought an experience leader next to him by now.
Fred - £50m, has looked okay when he started, at least he provides energy and pressing in midfield unlike Static Matic.
Sanchez - £500k a week wages swapped with a £30m Micky who was purchased on his last year of contract at Dortmund, yet another player that was dropped before he even played a game for us.
This is 6 players that have cost this club so much money yet I am still seeing Fellaini, McTominay, Lingard, Smalling, Young and Jones start sometimes?
Rio was saying that no manager asked for 5 players and gets all 5 each summer, that's a managers life, and you have you cards and need to get on with them. Also he has signed 4 players in 2018, got Tunzebe, Pereira back from loan but keeps playing Van Gaal players. He is an qualified failure in transfers here. Probably needs a DOF, better scouts and better tacticsHe’s failed miserably to get the best out of the players that he signed.Yes,the club should have backed him more last summer and yes,we probably need to appoint a DOF to help the manager from next season.But Mourinho signed 2 Centre backs,3 Central midfielders,2 high profile wingers and one 75 million striker....None of them can be called an unqualified success.Thats why Mourinho needs to go next summer,unless he can win the CL!!
So why are we spending record fees on players who lack effort or who are simply not good enough?/thread.
Your price tag does not determine whether or not you play/start.
At the time there was nothing to suggest that lukaku and Pogba aren't good enough or did not put in the effort.So why are we spending record fees on players who lack effort or who are simply not good enough?
1. It's not yours but our money supply isn't infinite, even a club as big as ours can run into financial trouble in the long run especially if we are not successful so you should really care how our team spends their money.From a fan perspective...
1. It's not my money.
2. It either gets spent on players or the Glazers.
3. If its spent on players at least the next manager will have a decent squad.
And Fred 53million wasn't even in squad.Pogba £90m
Lukuku £75m plus £15m easy add one.
Two players our manager wanted. Two players that probably took half our transfer budget in each summer they were purchased.
We can never improve spending this kind of money on one player then not using them.
This is a follow on thread from my ‘why did we buy Fred?’. I’m not questioning the quality of the players (although there is skeptism on how good Lukaku actually is) but continually buying expensive players then not using them is plan stupid and it’s been a common theme under Mourinho.
Bailly - £30m before CB prices went crazy. No longer used, arguably our best CB but still a raw talent, should have bought an experience leader next to him by now.
Fred - £50m, has looked okay when he started, at least he provides energy and pressing in midfield unlike Static Matic.
Sanchez - £500k a week wages swapped with a £30m Micky who was purchased on his last year of contract at Dortmund, yet another player that was dropped before he even played a game for us.
This is 6 players that have cost this club so much money yet I am still seeing Fellaini, McTominay, Lingard, Smalling, Young and Jones start sometimes?
In you think that's the case, then you've completely missed the point of this thread.If they are bought, the MUST play.
This is our fanbase now. Accepting dreadful performances from players because of their price tag.
The DOF and the better scouts can help the next manager....He has to go this summer.We won’t even come close to finishing in the top 4....Unless we somehow manage to win the CL,Mourinho has to leave this summer....Rio was saying that no manager asked for 5 players and gets all 5 each summer, that's a managers life, and you have you cards and need to get on with them. Also he has signed 4 players in 2018, got Tunzebe, Pereira back from loan but keeps playing Van Gaal players. He is an qualified failure in transfers here. Probably needs a DOF, better scouts and better tactics
Perhaps you can enlighten those of us who see this thread for what it is?In you think that's the case, then you've completely missed the point of this thread.
The forward slash there means 'end', so you're actually saying "end closing the thread" and thus saying to keep it open.Two players who need to be dropped because they’re not putting the effort in.
/close thread
Here you go, some posters have said it perfectly.Perhaps you can enlighten those of us who see this thread for what it is?
Meanwhile, let me see if I can enlighten your good self and others about who is buying these expensive players. Mr Edward Gareth Woodward. See, Mourinho only identifies the target, Its Mr EGW who agrees the fee. Some might conclude that after 5 years, hes not actually very good at it, at all. You see, there used to be a saying about judging players by their price tag. Because why would you hold that against the player or the manager when the men in suits are the ones entirely responsible for the fee and the wages?
Now, of course, that is if indeed, the thread isn't about blaming Mourinho for not playing players that have been bought for high fees regardless of their current contribution, attitude and performance level.
The issue for me is not Mourinho benching the players. If they're not playing well, they deserved to be benched, regardless of price. The issue I have is that Mourinho is failing to get the best out of, not only Pogba and Lukaku, but Fred, Sanchez and Matic - five players he wanted at the club.
Your cynicism aside, I'm well aware that it's Woodward's who brokers the deals, but he does so on the request of Mourinho, because like you said, it's Mourinho that is giving him the list of players he wants here. Now I do agree that Woodward has overpaid some players, but do you think those players could have been bought for far less considering the well known UTD tax, recent market explosion, the profile of our signings? Take Pogba for example, 23 at that time, won everything in Italy, played in both CL final and European championship at that time, plus he was regarded as one of the best MF players back then. Not to mention the fact that Juventus didn't want to sell him and they themselves said it many times they'll only consider a world record fee. Now how much cheaper do you think he could have get him for than those €105M?I think it's more a moan at the state of Jose transfer activity and how he cannot be trusted in the market. Fred Lukaku and Pogba cost a combined 220-240mill which is astonishing money and should transform your 1st team yet they get kept out by players from Van Gaal era.
So you put the show-pony on the pitch so that our attacks break down in midfield where he spits on us all by holding the ball up to do some tricks for youtube and his sponsors then loses it?I am fine benching Lukaku, he is a useless ogre out there. Pogba should be playing almost every game. Didn't have a good game against Southampton but without his forward passing the team doesn't even come close to getting that draw. No one else is going to attempt the things he does. Does he give the ball away poorly? Does he have a bad attitude in some games? Yeah, but how about putting some actual talent around him in midfield so he doesn't feel like the weight of the entire team is on his shoulders.