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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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His goals have won us A LOT of points. Many of them have been equalizers or winners. I'm very happy with Sesko, he has great tools to work with and sharpen further, while his attitude should see that he does exactly that. A team player who will continue to come into his own next season.
I always seem to be reminiscing -
But in what it remember as van nistelrooys best season for us was his second season we won the league he had Scholes playing as a “10” - “think Scholes scored near 15 ruud 40 in all comps” and had giggsy and beckham from the wings. Even Gary Neville who could deliver a ball and keano one most direct passers of the ball I ever seen. Sesko only has a lesser version than Scholes behind him has 10 and has 10 goals this season. If we had or can get the personal who can cross a ball and basically build all our attacks around him like we did with ruud he would score for fun.
But in what it remember as van nistelrooys best season for us was his second season we won the league he had Scholes playing as a “10” - “think Scholes scored near 15 ruud 40 in all comps” and had giggsy and beckham from the wings. Even Gary Neville who could deliver a ball and keano one most direct passers of the ball I ever seen. Sesko only has a lesser version than Scholes behind him has 10 and has 10 goals this season. If we had or can get the personal who can cross a ball and basically build all our attacks around him like we did with ruud he would score for fun.
He had a very good game. Took his goal well and his link up play was very good. The one issue I have with him is that he doesnt really press the keepers or defenders, at all. Several times Bruno came sprinting and locked down passing options and Sesk just moved around like a snail.
But this is an easy thing to teach him so I am not worried at all.
But this is an easy thing to teach him so I am not worried at all.
Based on what I saw when its a sequence of movements like receive a pass -> open a room for a shot -> score. Or any kind of combinations that seem instinctive to him, his executions are top quality. But when he has time to think or is off the ball his decision making can still be improved much more.
Which is a sign of a raw talent, almost all the top talents went through this phase. What we need is a manager and team mates that can help him understand his role more and what he should be working on.
Who else did you have a quick glance at to back that up? Strikers on similar amounts of goals like Watkins, Gyokeres, DCL, Mateta are all the same or significantly worse than Sesko.
Thiago has scored seven premier league penalties and played double the minutes. To expect him to put up Thiago numbers this season is silly. There was nothing wrong with his build up play tonight, so it’s a very strange game to pick this out.
I think he’s going to be elite. Loved his composure for that finish.
His criticism is not justified. He is our top goal scorer this season (with limited minutes played), and as such he at least was better than many other attackers we have.
Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t improve (of course he must and in many areas), but others should improve as well if we want to be fair
Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t improve (of course he must and in many areas), but others should improve as well if we want to be fair
Joao pedro, Welbeck, Ekitike, Watkins, Kroupi are all better in that regard by 5%+ what I saw. Just went t down the top scorer list and you're right on Gyokeres, but his is insanely bad.
I'm not expecting to put up Thiago numbers, I'm saying improve the overall play OR put up Thiago numbers. The minutes point is also down to Sesko, he was not trusted in our best performances this season. Hopefully that changes next season. We have a different opinion on that aspect of the game then. I have absolutely zero problem with him in front of goal, it's the pressing and overall play I think is lacking.
Watkins is 2% higher, Kroupi 4%. This is probably one of the most irrelevant ways of comparing a striker I can think of. I wouldn’t expect Sesko to be matching the likes of Pedro who has played a lot of minutes at 10 or Welbeck, who plays in a very defined system and is hugely experienced.
So you’d be fine with his overall play if he had scored seven penalties this season? Thiago looked absolutely woeful compared to Sesko last night. Also don’t forget that Mbeumo was a 20 goal a season striker at that club. He’s on half that at United this season.
The minutes thing this season was partly Sesko settling into the league, partly Amorim’s system being absolutely awful. It’s fine to have concerns, there were times this season when Sesko looked really short of confidence with the ball at his feet, but last night wasn’t that at all.
Let's hope he can scored few more before season ends. It's been good enough debut season in PL for a 22 year old striker.
Also, Welbeck has had 15 seasons in the Prem and this is the only one of those seasons where he’s scored more than Sesko has in his debut season
It's pretty funny how this thread swings from "He's useless" to "This kid is special" from game to game. Of course I understand the reasons - he's a young kid in a new league and a team that isn't exactly a purring attacking machine, so there is some inconsistency there. I guess this lack of nuance is a hallmark of internet discourse.
Overall I just wish the team could provide him with more chances, especially by putting in some crosses. We've not nearly made enough use of his heading ability.
Overall I just wish the team could provide him with more chances, especially by putting in some crosses. We've not nearly made enough use of his heading ability.
I like him. So that's that.
That's not what's on fot mob, per 90. Pedro has been their no 9. Either way, if they've got more or the same goals, you go into other aspects of play. It's not a high benchmark, I'm not asking him to be Harry Kane.
I'm talking about numbers, he needs to be our undisputed source of goals if his build up doesn't improve, in my opinion. I don't really care how Thiago or Mbuemo got them.
Yeah, which is fine. I was more concerned with the quality on the ball and how he pressed, something I already have concerns about.
This is a team/personnel problem though. If that's how we want to play, we need to invest in wingers, midfielders and FBs who can cross and set up the team as such. Hopefully we'll see that in the summer along with a partner for Mainoo and the squad will have more balance.
I don't think he's useless or special. He's been quite good overall and I think he has potential to be a very good PL forward who averages 15-20 per season in a top 4 team. Considering the lack of elite level strikers in football these days, and the ridiculous fees they all go for, I think we can be generally pleased with the transfer
Exactly at set pieces we have three genuine threats which is why teams are so scared to give away free kicks and corners, it’s not just Casemiro and Harry, Sesko is talking then both of them?
Genuinely thought he had a good game, hold up play was excellent, movement good, great calm composed goal and worked hard all game!
I thought his hold up play was decent. I was fuming when he beat two defenders with a nutmeg and Amad came charging over and kicked the ball straight to an opposition player.
Of course. It's everything from the quality of our wingers, the quality of our fullbacks, and the ability of the team so sustain possession and create overlapping situations to put in good crosses. The team needs to improve in just about every way next season.
Still, I think the team could have tried to find him more with crosses, even with our current limitations. That headed goal he scored from Bruno's cross is a good example.
Sadly, I think Bruno is the only one in the squad capable of consistently putting a good cross in. Dorgu started to do it before he was injured. I think that needs to be a paramount factor when it comes to signing a LB - Diouf might actually be a good option in that regard.
I noticed that amad type play a lot in general yesterday. Our players have a habit of not only being within 5 yards of each other but actively getting in each others way.
Sesko took his goal really well. You compare it to earlier moments in the season like his chance at spurs and he looks far more composed and in control. Bodes well for next season.
He held the ball up well when played into him
Thought he had a decent game, with the little opportunities he had.
What really annoys me is the balls being pinged into Amad at the back post, possibly the smallest player on the pitch, yet when Sesko is free a ball is never incoming!
What really annoys me is the balls being pinged into Amad at the back post, possibly the smallest player on the pitch, yet when Sesko is free a ball is never incoming!
It's been a thing for a long time. Happened pretty much every match when Højlund was playing. But Carrick also mentioned during his post match interview that the classic number 9 isn't as common as it used to be. Different profiles are used by a lot of teams.
I think he is coming along nicely, starting to see more of the dribbling skills he has in tight spaces. I Still think he looks a bit nervous about being Manchester United’s centre forward, trying to not upset any of the senior players, I’d love him to get some of Zlatan's confidence, puff his chest out a bit more and be more selfish, that will come though. I’m sure the coaching staff at the end of the season will go through his contributions and show him how many points he’s won us and then challenge him to do more of that.
I’m sorry but some of that post is illogical. Pass completion is 69% vs 72% on FootMob for Sesko and Watkins, it’s splitting hairs for a striker. You could also go into other parts of their play such as aerial duels won where Sesko is 15% higher than Watkins. Which isn’t surprising because players will have different strengths and weaknesses.
You can’t just expect a striker with the height and speed of Sesko to also have the passing ability of a Joao Pedro - who incidentally has started at 10 for 11 of his last 50 starts. He’s clearly a different type of player.
To say you don’t care that Thiago has scored seven penalty goals is weird, you can’t be discussing stats and then suddenly ignore something like that because it doesn’t suit your argument.
Sesko actually ranked highly for his defensive work at Leipzig, which is unsurprising in their system. Our press has always been poor and un-coordinated https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost463
If he can continually replicate the kind of hold up play we saw last night and score at a similar rate next season, he’s going to be our first choice striker long term.
Agreed, the lack of service throughout the game makes him look bad, almost nothing is created and he is so isolated from the forwards that he can't do much with them not trying to connect with him more often either by early balls or one-twos and so on.
Ten league goals so far, a decent return and he is clearly on an upwards curve. Shows great promise for next season.
But I'm discussing his overall play, so that's why I was looking at that particular stat. He also gets dispossesed less, wins more fouls, etc. I'm not arguing against Sesko's aerial ability, that's never been in question.
I'm not, it's about effectiveness. If you can't pass and play like Joao pedro, you should score more.
I don't care in the sense that if Sesko was our penalty taker, I wouldn't discount them either. He didn't even take one against Grimsby. We've had 4 pens this season, if he had taken and scored all 4, I'd be happier too. My argument is purely output.
That's fine, but we're not going to play or press like Leipzig. That was peak Red Bull, he has to be a bit smarter in how he presses.
If he scores at the same mpG rate whilst starting, this will all be moot from me and will happily scoff that humble pie down.
Feel incredibly happy for Beni when he scores.
Think he suffers from being seen as “languid” on the pitch, if he had a bit more of a pit bull/terrier vibe a la Tevez, he’d be seen more fondly. A bit more aggression might help his cause.
Great signing though and I think with him, we’ve sorted out that striker position for years to come.
Think he suffers from being seen as “languid” on the pitch, if he had a bit more of a pit bull/terrier vibe a la Tevez, he’d be seen more fondly. A bit more aggression might help his cause.
Great signing though and I think with him, we’ve sorted out that striker position for years to come.
Happy he got his goal but my favourite part was when he barged into the centre back then hit him in the face. My biggest gripe with him is he is too nice and doesn't throw his weight about enough despite his size - loved seeing that last night. Has potential to be one of the best in the league
For his 1st season he’s doing well, I just hope he pushes on next season. Hojlund fell apart in his 2nd season
Decent goal return from him, especially given that our forward line has divided up the goals and no penalties. I/m looking forward to seeing how he develops. It has been a while since we've has a proper 9 carrying a goal threat in his prime.
Sesko is 2nd in the team on a G+A per 90 and leader on a G per 90, so no idea where this criticism all comes from.
Here is the Top 10 we have on G+A this year:
1. Bruno - 28 (102 min per G/A)
2. Mbeumo - 13 (187 min per G/A)
3=. Sesko - 12 (148 min per G/A)
3=. Cunha - 12 (202 min per G/A)
5. Casemiro - 11 (221 min per G/A)
6. Dorgu - 6 (245 min per G/A)
7. Amad - 5 (426 min per G/A)
8=. Mount - 4 (233 min per G/A)
8=. Maguire - 4 (349 min per G/A)
8=. Dalot - 4 (654 min per G/A)
So Sesko is doing perfectly well, whereas Amad has been dreadful with end product
Here is the Top 10 we have on G+A this year:
1. Bruno - 28 (102 min per G/A)
2. Mbeumo - 13 (187 min per G/A)
3=. Sesko - 12 (148 min per G/A)
3=. Cunha - 12 (202 min per G/A)
5. Casemiro - 11 (221 min per G/A)
6. Dorgu - 6 (245 min per G/A)
7. Amad - 5 (426 min per G/A)
8=. Mount - 4 (233 min per G/A)
8=. Maguire - 4 (349 min per G/A)
8=. Dalot - 4 (654 min per G/A)
So Sesko is doing perfectly well, whereas Amad has been dreadful with end product
There’s definitely a case of cherry picking what stats you’re looking at. Why would winning an aerial duel be less important than something like winning fouls. Watkins goes down embarrassingly easy, but that’s definitely an experience thing. Sesko can improve on that if that’s something you’re really looking for from a striker.
Again, I don’t get the Pedro comparison. Completely different players, we’ve already covered this. Sesko has some strengths over Pedro and the goal output is similar, despite less minutes. Not to mention they’ve all got years on Sesko both in terms of age and exposure to English football.
His penalty record is 11 scored and 0 missed in his career, so I don’t find this relevant at all. Just purely looking at it from total goals is a very school way of looking at stats. If that makes you happier then so be it.
And for the record, he did score a penalty against Grimsby. I can’t see us fundamentally agreeing on much here
I mean, you're doing the exact same thing. You're just weighting aerial duels higher, when I'm obviously talking about him holding up the ball and bringing people into play. I'm generally looking him to improve his all round play so he can be a focal point, so yeah, if he does - great.
It's not a direct comparison, it's saying that if you have a choice of striker and you pick someone like Sesko over Pedro, they need to be as effective. Again, if Sesko was sitting on 14 goals and 5 assists, this is the output I'm expecting of my striker. You're trying to make a stylistic comparison, which I've never tried to do it. They are a different type of striker that has more to their game and have a better output.
I'm not saying he's a bad penalty taker
. I don't know why you wouldn't want to look at a striker from their total goals record. His underlying stats are good, but that does still just boil down to 10 goals, I think going into the season that was going to be the bare minimum.My bad, misremembered that, he was no 10 in the list. Probably not. For the record, I hope you're right.
I’d say Arsenal would have walked the league if they'd managed to get a deal for Sesko done. His ability in the air and cool finishing would have won them a lot of points. Very happy they messed up any deal and moved onto to a striker who doesn’t really fit into their style of play
I’m definitely not interested in comparing stats that way, I’m just showing you that strikers have different qualities to consider. Do you actually realise what difference it would make if Sesko increased his pass completion from 69% to Pedro’s 77%? It’s 19 made passes over the space of 29 games. Not even one extra made pass per game.I mean, you're doing the exact same thing. You're just weighting aerial duels higher, when I'm obviously talking about him holding up the ball and bringing people into play. I'm generally looking him to improve his all round play so he can be a focal point, so yeah, if he does - great.
It's not a direct comparison, it's saying that if you have a choice of striker and you pick someone like Sesko over Pedro, they need to be as effective. Again, if Sesko was sitting on 14 goals and 5 assists, this is the output I'm expecting of my striker. You're trying to make a stylistic comparison, which I've never tried to do it. They are a different type of striker that has more to their game and have a better output.
I'm not saying he's a bad penalty taker
My bad, misremembered that, he was no 10 in the list. Probably not. For the record, I hope you're right.
I can’t even be bothered with the discussion around penalties to be completely honest. It’s painfully obvious why that is a caveat when looking at a striker’s goal total.
I guess we’ll see what total he ends up on at the end of the season, but given the shitness of the team till January, and the lack of minutes he was given while adjusting to the league, it would be an absolute miracle if he scored 12 non-penalty league goals. And the underlying stats would back that up.
Happy with his first season, just want to see one of those blasters he scored at Leipzig