I'm confident he's going to be a success with us.
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Imran (@Annihilate Now!) & Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to discuss disappointed FA Cup exit at the hands of Brighton - confirming our shortest season in over 100 years. They also discuss the news that Michael Carrick is set to be United's manager until the end of the season.
Give him a chance
I understand he should be given time but I'm speaking more from the point of having watched him the past two seasons and not being impressed in general. You can go back and see the posts I've written about him before the transfer and it'll hardly be of praise. He's just never impressed me as a top striker.
Of course I hope it goes well but after the fact that he wasn't brought on against Grimsby until late and he wasn't one of the first players to take a penalty despite being the taker for Leipzig last season, I'm already thinking this will be a other flop signing.
Its funny how you count champions league goals for one player and not the other...Sesko scored 14 goals for Leipzig 2023 - 2024 season while Højlund scored 10.
The following season Højlund fell of a cliff for us and only scored 6 while Sesko scored 13 for Leipzig.
Now if we take total goals for both Sesko scored 18 for Leipzig in 23/24 while Højlund scored 16. And then in 24/25 Sesko scored 21 and Højlund only managed 10 in total.
But Højlunds first season for United was not that bad, especially given he played in a much harder league.
Thats why some of us who have watched both dont see Sesko as some huge upgrade. He is better, but people need to keep their expectations in check and give him time. This isnt prime Kane.
On the caf, if we sign a player, all that he's done doesn't exist anymore and we have to watch the player for a full season before opinions can be made.
Sesko was downloaded from heaven the beginning of August, you could not have possibly formed an opinion on him based on what you have seen before. It is also unfair to make an opinion before a minimum of a 1000 minutes, so exercise patience!
He started that game, and the official reason for him taking a late penalty was that he had a cramp.
I had reservations about the signing, but he barely played (83 minutes in the league so far) to deduce that he will be a flop.
I didn't say anything about CL goals or no CL goals. I was talking about Hojlunds time at Atalanta that earned him the move after being a pretty much unknown player before it. January until the end of the season he had a good run of form and that's what put him on everyone's radar, he scored I think 9 goals during that half season. Before that he wasn't seen as a big talent. Sesko has been seen as a big talent for ages.
I know he's not prime Kane. He has big potential but obviously isn't close to the ready made thing yet. He's an improvement on what we had and profile wise he's what we need IMO, but has a long way to go as a player because so far he's been a moment's player in his career.
Ah alright. My mistake.
Agree with your point, which is why I think this transfer without a experienced striker to back him up is a bad move.
Feck me! If I tried that, I'd break my knee and my back.
On another note, some of you post like there was a perfect striker available in the market. Any striker we bought would have been a project.
Only if ‘hamstring’ is a.euphemism
I share your concerns but we are where we are. But I'm also optimistic as we have better conditions for him and than with Hojlund. Hopefully we will have better results in upcoming matches that will improve your optimism somewhat.
I think he's capable of making the step up here, he's a decent striker right now but needed another year at Leipzig I think to make the step up. Here at least we now have Cunha and Mbeumo (and Bruno) which should help him, but yeah he isn't immune to flopping under the pressure as we are a disaster of a team still. I do think he was one worth going for rather than missing out to Newcastle, but I wonder if the club also felt he needed more time as we only went for him once Newcastle started showing serious interest.
Confirmation bias is a thing though. There are the same voices repeatedly stating that they’ve watched him and he hasn’t improved in the last two years. I don’t know why I’d trust the opinion of someone who couldn’t even remember that he started a game two weeks ago. Just being a general fan of the Bundesliga doesn’t automatically qualify you to talk in certainty about players in that league. As an example, I certainly wouldn’t trust myself to give an accurate evaluation of Chris Wood’s development in the last two years and whether he’s capable of stepping up to a champions league team. That said, I could give my opinion and obviously everyone is entitled to that!
Damn. We should have bought two of the top 10 goal scorers in the premier league last year. That would have helped take the pressure off.
He should be getting match fit then.
And then the presence and physicality to hold off the defender and lay it to his teammate. Delightful.
We must protect him - with no preseason and the wolves out, ease him over the next month or so still. I imagine he can be up and running by January but I wouldn't worry about him not starting more games until then to be honest.
I believe he was the favourite when redcafe held a poll, so what do we really know?
I hope so. Just would like to see him from the start in a league game, especially one as big as that and see what he can do. Would just be a bit concerned to see a big money striker for us not yet starting come the Derby is all.
He has to start against City. He could be huge against a shaky defense and what is the point of spending all this money if you’re not going to play him in one of the biggest games of the season? Him and Lammens both have to start for me. I’m confident Sesko starts and hopeful Lammens does too.
But the knives will be out if he doesn't score, or has a few bad games.
I still believe that Hojlund will become a decent striker, let him have a season away from the pressure of Old Trafford and I think he may well improve a lot.
Sesko has better skills than Hojlund, has obviously more experience, but some of the wonderful pundits on here will, or have already, made up their minds about him.
Radcliffe have stated many times, I believe, that the 'project' is a long term one, so give all the players a chance to develop together as a team.
We are getting a younger, more mobile and tougher squad, and with a CM or two possibly coming in next summer, along with Mainoo, Collyer, Gore, Kone, and a host of younger academy players who, at the moment, look like good prospects, I think the future is looking brighter, but let's give them a chance.
I am pretty sure it was Gyokeres.
We definitely have better players than the last season or the season before that but he still needs to deliver. I don't think we bought Šeško in the same fashion as we did Hojlund 2 years ago aka a striker "project".
You're spot on. Apparently you need 1000 minutes before you can cast an opinion on our new signing or otherwise you're "overreacting".
Needs a goal, pronto.
I don't think he should. Mbuemo, Mount and Cunha have all done quite well in the opening three EPL games.
I can fully understand the argument that we should have a senior #9 and GK to help take the pressure off the project signings we've made in those positions - but I can't understand why a small number are showing signs of writing off Sesko after a few games of the season during which he's not yet been up to full match fitness or sharpness.
We could've gone down the route of signing the more experienced and PL proven players like Martinez and Watkins. And, short term, they'd have probably started better like Mbeumo and Cunha have as they didn't need to acclimatise.
However we've opted for the younger, project players for the long term view (even from a negative future viewpoint, if it turns out like Hojlund, we'd still probably be able to offload them for a decent fee - plus a future sell on - a couple of years down the line when they're in their prime years compared to Martinez and Watkins being early-mid 30s by then).
That long term view meant we didn't expect them to necessarily hit the ground running immediately unlike PL proven players. We've accepted a likely more up and down first season as we see them as good players who'll only get better and ever more consistent with each season - rather than as good players who'll start well but lose consistency and attributes with each season had we gone down the Martinez and Watkins route.
So judging the players likelihood of succeeding with us long term after a few sub appearances when he's still searching for match fitness is unfair and pointless. However, if the point is focused on the fact that we should have prioritised the short term, and gone with more experienced, PL proven players in those key roles, then I can see why it's more relevant the longer it takes the project players to start showing good form in their first season.
We could've gone down the route of signing the more experienced and PL proven players like Martinez and Watkins. And, short term, they'd have probably started better like Mbeumo and Cunha have as they didn't need to acclimatise.
However we've opted for the younger, project players for the long term view (even from a negative future viewpoint, if it turns out like Hojlund, we'd still probably be able to offload them for a decent fee - plus a future sell on - a couple of years down the line when they're in their prime years compared to Martinez and Watkins being early-mid 30s by then).
That long term view meant we didn't expect them to necessarily hit the ground running immediately unlike PL proven players. We've accepted a likely more up and down first season as we see them as good players who'll only get better and ever more consistent with each season - rather than as good players who'll start well but lose consistency and attributes with each season had we gone down the Martinez and Watkins route.
So judging the players likelihood of succeeding with us long term after a few sub appearances when he's still searching for match fitness is unfair and pointless. However, if the point is focused on the fact that we should have prioritised the short term, and gone with more experienced, PL proven players in those key roles, then I can see why it's more relevant the longer it takes the project players to start showing good form in their first season.
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I think the fanbase has largely forgotten what patience with young players, brought or promoted within, looks like nowadays which is totally understandable.
Post SAF we've had a pretty poor history with looking after the younger players put or , more bluntly, thrown in.
Uniteds current handling of Sesko, and likely Mainoo too, seems quite alien to the club nowadays.
Post SAF we've had a pretty poor history with looking after the younger players put or , more bluntly, thrown in.
Uniteds current handling of Sesko, and likely Mainoo too, seems quite alien to the club nowadays.
Didn’t Sesko also score 18 the season before that. 18, 18 and 21 goals not bad for big lad who’s only 22. He’s not necessarily an all out striker he links up really well and has a deft touch both huge pluses over Rasmus. Think our front three will be electric once they settle.
Well, only if the opinion is "positive", then it's perfectly fine.
If I say Sesko is going to be a hit because he controleld the ball in acrobatic ways a few times, that's fine.
To be blunt, if a player crumbles under the pressure here then they just aren't right for this club. There will always be pressure here and they'll need to be able to bounce back from scoring droughts and play a part. You had world class players crumble under the pressure at Old Trafford when we were on top with Sir Alex, it's always been a thing. Yes we have to help develop them and have people to take the pressure off and lead, but Hojlund didn't really look like a footballer at all while here. It's one thing still doing your thing but missing chances in key moments (Garnacho for example), but the kid still showed his talents and would have the balls to try things. Hojlund just disappeared. Being able to handle that pressure and perform under it is what separates players at top clubs from mid table clubs. So the knives being out doesn't mean anything. They need to perform regardless and the knives come out for everyone one time or another and it's up to them to show they can handle it.
Osimhen says hello.
Osimhen also says " ..But give me 300k a week ".
Yep, because those three have scored a load of goals in the first 3 games haven't they.
When you spend over £70m on a shiny new striker, you have to play him. Its as simple as that.
Sesko has done nothing with the minutes he's had to warrant starting over any of them.
There's also a 100% chance he runs afoul of something with Amorim and gets eventually frozen out.
Yeah the money-minded attitude Osimhen seems to have would absolutely not work here. We don't need any more divas. Plus, we desperately needed to fix the wage structure and avoid overpaying players. Glad we didn't go for Osimhen.
Ekitike though.. looks like an excellent buy for Liverpool already.
We need players with the right attitude and the talent. Hojlund had the former in spades but unfortunately just could not find his game here. Sesko, I hope, can do better. His aerial ability gives me hope we don't have to always count on ol' slabhead to get us those late headed winners.
Ekitike though.. looks like an excellent buy for Liverpool already.
We need players with the right attitude and the talent. Hojlund had the former in spades but unfortunately just could not find his game here. Sesko, I hope, can do better. His aerial ability gives me hope we don't have to always count on ol' slabhead to get us those late headed winners.
He said perfect striker. I mean you want a 20 goal striker who will settle for 20 quid is it? Ok I take back my suggestion then.
So we are now paying 70 million pounds for players to warm our bench. How wonderful.
You should see the comments about Gyokeres or Wirtz. They are already colossal flops and failures (apparently)
This "1000 minutes" patience only applies for Utd players though who fail to impress at the beginning of their Utd careers.
It would be a little crazy to not begin starting him. Surely he is match fit now, and we need to get an attack working with him as a focal point. We can't only have playmakers and creators among the three forwards. We need someone centrally to occupy defenders and to aim crosses at.
He’s a brand new striker to the premier league, has played bit parts in games that have totalled 80 minutes out of 270 in the PL.
Let him start a game.
The folks in the performance thread calling Mbuemo fat seemed to have ignored this principal.
I wonder where they all are now!!