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When you look at the teams Gyokres scored most against, it’s not hard to see he stat padded against the worst teams in the league, who are Championship level at best. Bas Dost is great equivalent to look at from Sporting. Even Alex Telles managed double digit goals one season.Did he touch the ball in the second half? How did Gyokeres score so many in this system with this manager? Becoming disturbingly clear the gulf in talent between the top 3 Portuguese sides and the rest of the league is immense.
In Portugal it probably looks like a 325 super attacking, with the extra CB even joining the attack. I'm England vs better competition who can beat the press it turns into 523 goofball counter attacking.
Gyokeres scored so many times because he had much better players to fit what he wanted. We're still rocking Shaw and fecking Dalot at wingback for christs sake. Not to mention a midfield that is non existant.Did he touch the ball in the second half? How did Gyokeres score so many in this system with this manager? Becoming disturbingly clear the gulf in talent between the top 3 Portuguese sides and the rest of the league is immense.
In Portugal it probably looks like a 325 super attacking, with the extra CB even joining the attack. I'm England vs better competition who can beat the press it turns into 523 goofball counter attacking.
Did he touch the ball in the second half? How did Gyokeres score so many in this system with this manager? Becoming disturbingly clear the gulf in talent between the top 3 Portuguese sides and the rest of the league is immense.
In Portugal it probably looks like a 325 super attacking, with the extra CB even joining the attack. I'm England vs better competition who can beat the press it turns into 523 goofball counter attacking.
I don't think he looks too different to when I've watched him before though. Kind of clunky. Hopefully the goal frees him up a bit.It's hard to see what his potential is with this formation. Hard to see whether he can cope with being a United player or whether he is being let down by the set up
I think most strikers would suffer the same with us
Improving with every game, I have no qualms about him coming good here. Not sure who it was in this thread who compared him to Dzeko (massively underrated striker), but not sure if that's meant to be a dig. I'd snap your hand off to guarantee he'd end up that good.
Yep and I was in favour of Watkins over Sesko in the summer. I think we made the right call long term.Same here. Easy to forget his age. He's only now as old as Zlatan was when he left Ajax for Juventus 21 year ago. Plenty of career yet ahead of him.
It has much more to do with the quality of the oppositions. Ugarte who should have known Amorim system better than most of our players is struggling to even be serviceable. Requiring perfect team to deliver serviceable level (top half of the league) in PL is just an excuse for Amorim. We barely involve our forward for linking up play, let alone creating chances. You don’t need great, perfect wing backs, midfielders, center backs to do so. Many teams can do that (involving the forward) with worse players.Gyokeres scored so many times because he had much better players to fit what he wanted. We're still rocking Shaw and fecking Dalot at wingback for christs sake. Not to mention a midfield that is non existant.
Why make such silly comparisons? Zlatan was more of a late bloomer. Ronaldo and Rooney were among the best players in the world at 22 and they played for Utd. Tevez was also 22 when he joined us.Same here. Easy to forget his age. He's only now as old as Zlatan was when he left Ajax for Juventus 21 year ago. Plenty of career yet ahead of him.
Why make such silly comparisons? Zlatan was more of a late bloomer. Ronaldo and Rooney were among the best players in the world at 22 and they played for Utd. Tevez was also 22 when he joined us.
I understand that Šeško is young but you make it seem like we didn't have good forwards at that age. I don't think that Greenwood was even 21 before the r$$e incident and he was brilliant. Rashford also broke through at a pretty young age.
I think the better comparison would be the intent behind our transfer. Did we bring him to Utd to have an immediate impact and score a lot goals or did we bring him as a "project striker" similar to Hojlund. If it's the latter one, then I have a serious problem with that. We were supposed to get a striker who who would guarantee us a lot of goals and I am deeply skeptical about whether Šeško is really capable of doing that.
Now, kudos to him for performing well today but he needs to deliver this season already. We already tried that "project striker" experiment with Hojlund and it failed miserably. People should be concerned about this because of Hojlund and Zirkzee failures.
I would say it makes more sense to compare Sesko and Woltemade to other tall strikers. They tend to take a little more time to develop. Crouch emerged as a viable starting Prem striker at about 23. Weghorst became a top Eredivisie striker around 25. Onoachu had his first big season at 26. These aren't great players, but the point is Sesko type bodies seem to take another year or two to develop compared to shorter players.Why make such ridiculous comparisons? Zlatan was more of a late bloomer. Ronaldo and Rooney were among the best players in the world at 22 and they played for Utd. Tevez was also 22 when he joined us.
I would say it makes more sense to compare Sesko and Woltemade to other tall strikers. They tend to take a little more time to develop. Crouch emerged as a viable starting Prem striker at about 23. Weghorst became a top Eredivisie striker around 25. Onoachu had his first big season at 26. These aren't great players, but the point is Sesko type bodies seem to take another year or two to develop compared to shorter players.
I am not sure if that is even true. What about Haaland or Lewandowski?I would say it makes more sense to compare Sesko and Woltemade to other tall strikers. They tend to take a little more time to develop. Crouch emerged as a viable starting Prem striker at about 23. Weghorst became a top Eredivisie striker around 25. Onoachu had his first big season at 26. These aren't great players, but the point is Sesko type bodies seem to take another year or two to develop compared to shorter players.
Like I said, the comparison doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe it terms of playstyle but it's generally known that Zlatan was better in 30s than in his 20s. So in terms of age, I wouldn't even compare them. Šeško already had 2 decent seasons in Bundesliga which is miles better than Erdivisie or the Swedish league.Because there have been comparisons between Zlatan and Sesko in the past - both in terms of body style and aerial ability.
I am not sure if that is even true. What about Haaland or Lewandowski?
Like I said, the comparison doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe it terms of playstyle but it's generally known that Zlatan was better in 30s than in his 20s. So in terms of age, I wouldn't even compare them. Šeško already had 2 decent seasons in Bundesliga which is miles better than Erdivisie or the Swedish league.
Fair enough. I didn't see much of him before he signed. I see him play and think we are not suited to get the best out of him which is bizarre if we've bought him to be the goal scorer. You want to at least try maximise that chance of it happening.I don't think he looks too different to when I've watched him before though. Kind of clunky. Hopefully the goal frees him up a bit.
Haaland is an exception. Lewandowski exploded after he turned 23, Sesko is a year away. Think there's lots of similarities there in how he could play too. Dzeko was 22/turned 23 during his first big step up year at Wolfsburg. Kane was a bit younger at 21. Ibra was 25 when he moved to Inter and he was just an inconsistent youngster before that.I am not sure if that is even true. What about Haaland or Lewandowski?
Like I said, the comparison doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe it terms of playstyle but it's generally known that Zlatan was better in 30s than in his 20s. So in terms of age, I wouldn't even compare them. Šeško already had 2 decent seasons in Bundesliga which is miles better than Erdivisie or the Swedish league.
I am hoping that the goal gives him some confidence. He had an opportunity to shoot in the first 10 minutes when he went for a non existent pass instead of manoeuvring the ball and taking a shot with his left foot.I don't think he looks too different to when I've watched him before though. Kind of clunky. Hopefully the goal frees him up a bit.
I'm not certain, either, but I've seen some posts where people did more legwork and it seemed to be true. It does make some sense intuitively, since pace should matter a little less for a bigger striker and strength should matter more, and pace drops as strength should increase in your mid 20s.I am not sure if that is even true. What about Haaland or Lewandowski?
Of course he has height when he stands on higher floor. Not really fairAs for Sesko in particular, I think he'll have a higher floor than Hojlund since he's got height
On hindsight, I am glad we got Sesko. Watkins won't have made much difference, given that our problem is really in MF and not upfront. Watkins would have been wasted here for the season and he won't have much mileage left. Sesko on the other hand is young enough to survive the current chaos and may blossom with us in futureYep and I was in favour of Watkins over Sesko in the summer. I think we made the right call long term.
Yeah, I think if we were further on (which we definitley hoped to be), Watkins would have been better. Alas, we are where we are and long term, he will be good.On hindsight, I am glad we got Sesko. Watkins won't have made much difference, given that our problem is really in MF and not upfront. Watkins would have been wasted here for the season and he won't have much mileage left. Sesko on the other hand is young enough to survive the current chaos and may blossom with us in future
He needs to bulk up and model his game on Haaland, bully defenders and power his way to goals.
I would think the plan would be that Cunha and Mbeumo would be the main feeders given they are playing as 10's either side of him.Haaland has players feeding him. Who’s feeding Sesko?
You are right though. He needs to be more aggressive I think. He seems a bit quiet on the pitch. But whatever he does, he needs service. Look what is happening with Hojlund once he got De Bruyne behind him…
I would think the plan would be that Cunha and Mbeumo would be the main feeders given they are playing as 10's either side of him.
Give it time, I have confidence it will happen!
