Alisson is incredibly overrated. Ederson is better in that role.
Not aiming this just at you but how can Ramsdale be one of the best in the country all of a sudden whilst it’s ‘too early’ to say if De Gea is back to his best?
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Not aiming this just at you but how can Ramsdale be one of the best in the country all of a sudden whilst it’s ‘too early’ to say if De Gea is back to his best?
I’m only referring to Ramsdale’s distribution and I said De Gea does look back to his best.
On Alisson, I think his ability in one v one situations is what stands him out. I think Ederson has an edge over him because he’s less likely to make an error than Alisson is but the latter is still top three in the league.
De gea is 29? I doubt he could reengineer his game to such a level.
Might get calmer, more decisive as he aged, but somehow becoming a sweeper keeper? I doubt it.
That's like asking rashford to become berbatov
If DeGea was back to his best he’d be the best keeper in the league. He isn’t.
DDG best keeper in the league is a No. Hes certainly not the keeper he was, and IMO he doesnt get into any of the current top 3's teams on present form. For me its Alisson. Ederson is terrific with his distribution but i never really think hes a top shot stopper. Id even have Mendy over Ederson for shot stopping.
Ramsdale has been good, I like Meslier at Leeds too and Martinez at Villa
Might be controversial but i actually dont rate Pickford at all. Made a couple half decent saves against us thursday but i think hes overrated
Ramsdale has been good, I like Meslier at Leeds too and Martinez at Villa
Might be controversial but i actually dont rate Pickford at all. Made a couple half decent saves against us thursday but i think hes overrated
wow calm down. Wild take that.The thing about Alisson and Ederson is that they suit how the teams play. They may not be the best goalkeepers but they are the best goalkeepers for those teams and those are the best teams in the league so it's why they get referred to as the best.
Mendy and Ramsdale have come into Arsenal and Chelsea and they suit how Arteta and Tuchel want to play so they also look like better keepers.
Even at his absolute best De Gea wouldn't suit any of those teams. I would even say he didn't suit how Ole wanted to play. If RR wants to play out from the back and press high with a high line, he won't suit that either.
Fair enough, I’ll hold up my hand and say I haven’t seen any of Oblak this season, but watched him a ton the past few years and he’s still my #1, regardless of half a season’s form.
Mate as a fellow American you are not doing us a service here with takes like this. Oblak has been in staggeringly bad form this season (genuinely amongst the worst in Europe in terms of shot stopping), and Ter Stegan has been below par for 3 seasons now.
That said, the most ridiculous take is that De Gea is a top 3 keeper in the world. Do you actually think that there are only two teams in the world who'd be unwilling to swap their keeper for De Gea?
As for the De Gea take, I’ll stick by my take. Name me 3 better shot stoppers in Europe who have decent distribution (which he 100% does) that play for a top side.
That’s fair enough, I replied above as to why I said what I said, but still sticking by my top 3 DdG take, and I’ll pose you the same question as I did the other poster. Honestly curious to see the response, not trying to be combative in the slightest.
Mate, De Gea is literally in the 1st percentile among top 5 goalkeepers for touches per 90. He is among the very worst keepers on the ball in Europe. He's also in the 4th percentile of defensive actions outside the box and 11th for cross collection.
He's still an excellent shot stopper but he is exceedingly poor at much of what the modern game demands from goalkeepers.
It's a fair point on Oblak's shot stopping - his track record speaks for itself and Atleti have had systemic issues / significant CB injury problems. The wider problem though is that he is from more or less the same mold as De Gea - he's also pretty poor on the ball and tends to be a bit more conservative with his positioning (though granted, Atleti's playstyle undoubtedly has something to do with this).
Regarding your question, I'm not sure there are 3 shot stoppers at top clubs who are better at that particular skill than De Gea (though to be fair there certainly are a fair few who are more consistent year over year). But that's not the end all be all of modern goalkeeping - preventing opponents from shooting by being proactive and reducing the effectiveness of opposition pressing by providing a passing option are absolutely core principles for the most elite teams.
So whilst again I'd agree with your take that De Gea is an elite shot-stopper, I again think you'd be extremely hard-pressed to find a top side willing to swap their keeper for De Gea.
All opinions. I just personally dont think hes top level, and Everton could get better.
Sarcasm mate.
Hmmm, didnt read it like that. Fair point
You could write exactly the same comment about Navas ^^
It's not controversial at all, Pickford's rubbish
Yeah I was definitely joking mate. You won't find many who disagree with you about Pickford not being very good.
Great Tweet about Ramsdale after the match last night. His peak is shorter than omicron’s.
That was a while ago!
My first comment referred to the thread being about the best goalkeeper in the English Premier League. Casillas doesn't play there.
My second comment was about me never having seen Casillas in a list of best goalkeepers ever - but you could have that opinion of course. Mind if I ask why though? I always thought he was solid but not quite awesome.
Is Ramsdale's distribution the best in the league? I've never payed close attention but when they played against us I was really impressed.
For me, Ederson is the best goalkeeper in EPL. He changes how modern-era goalkeepers should play. He can block and pass pinpoint to this teammate for a goal. That is why he is the best.
Can’t save the ball though. Alisson can do that and save. Alisson is a far better all-round keeper.
Also he hasn’t changed anything, Neuer was doing that that when Ederson was a youth player.
Yeah if Ederson wins anything its the most overrated keeper in the league
He's not and he's changed nothing. Pep should have been brave and dropped Ederson for Bazunu. His passing and distribution is excellent and he's also better at being a goalkeeper than Ederson.
Sorry but this is a ridiculous post, pure hyperbole. You're not gonna replace a proven, top quality GK at one of the biggest clubs in the world with a 20 year old kid who's only club football experience is a season in the 3rd division...
His distribution is nowhere near Ederson's and he isn't close to being as proven as an all-round keeper. People love to shit on Ederson (probably because he's a City player) but relative to how much he's on the ball and the risks he takes he doesn't even make that many mistakes, and his shot-stopping in much better than a lot of people here like to make out.
Let's be honest you've probably seen highlights of Bazunu in the handful of games he's played for Southampton and that's it, hardly a great sample. Very talented for sure but still has a long way to go to prove himself at a level where he'd be displacing somebody like Ederson. I remember him letting in a few long range efforts at Pompey and making a couple of absolute clangers, it's not like he's never made mistakes himself and he did this at a much lower level.
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The bloke at Brighton looks good.
Ederson is the perfect example of the right keeper for the right team. City are so good at preventing shots and crosses coming in the box that having a keeper that excels at those things doesn't really add a lot of value, but his confidence on the ball is essential.
United should go all in for Sanchez before Chelsea do.
Ah yeah, well I've seen him loads. Every keeper makes mistakes, but his all round ability as a goalkeeper is already at a higher level than Ederson has ever been. Ederson's shot stopping isn't under rated at all, people see him for what he is, relative to the amount of chances he faces. His passing might not be as good, but let's be honest, how often does Ederson actually do anything more than just recycle possession to his nearest defenders? He ranks in the 20th percentile in terms of touches from what I've seen compared to other keepers, where as Allison is in the 80th percentile. Plays one or two through balls once or twice a season that lead to goals and that's all people remember from his passing.
I feel the sample is way too small and very skewed considering who played who. It also doesn't really pass the eye test when you see DDG and Mendy's blunders compared to Ramsdale. I'd say the only "low quality" (not sure what that even is) shot he faced was Maddison at the near post that he let through his legs. Martinez let in some comical ones so not sure how this is weighed against good saves.
I agree the sample is way too small yet.
And I'd say the GK at plays some role in the "quality" of shots faced as well - more proactive keepers should on the left side of the axis.
I said it before it was hipster!
Fairly sure Ederson was also below average last season and generally doesn’t stand out in any way in these sorts of stats. His kicking is magnificent of course but the best combine the two.
De Gea is a great shot stopper at his best. Nothing more, he's very very limited as a modern GK and isn't close to being the best in the league. He can't even get into the Spanish squad because of his limitations.
All round probably Alisson. Best distributor is Ederson by an absolute distance.
I rate most of the keepers in the league tbh. Never been a big Pickford fan though, or Danny Ward.
I rate most of the keepers in the league tbh. Never been a big Pickford fan though, or Danny Ward.
De gea is probably the 12-15th best goalkeeper in the PL right now. But he is the highest paid goalkeeper in the world and highest paid Spanish player who can't get into Spanish national team.
We are so fecked as a football club
We are so fecked as a football club
Unsurprising but Alisson for me. His Roma season was off the charts and by every metric he’s been amazing for us too. Bailed us out more times than I can count. We’d probably be nowhere the success we’ve had if we had even a marginally worse keeper.
Yeah him & Lloris worst in supposed top six
Is there a standout goalie in the league? I’d argue that the oversll quality is high with many good goalies and few poor ones. However, I also don’t think there are anyone that is that great either. No prime Schmeichel or Neuer.
That being said, Ederson is perfect for city. On the ball and in possession, it’s like having an extra outfield player. As a shot stopper and commander of his box, he’s still good but not spectacular.
Allisson is probably an overall better goalie, but apart from his brilliant one on one abilities, he has no stand out qualities. A good shot stopper but not brilliant. Decent at crosses but not great. Good with the ball at his feet but not close to Ederson. I also thinks he has been lucky that not more of his mistakes have resulted in goals against.
That being said, Ederson is perfect for city. On the ball and in possession, it’s like having an extra outfield player. As a shot stopper and commander of his box, he’s still good but not spectacular.
Allisson is probably an overall better goalie, but apart from his brilliant one on one abilities, he has no stand out qualities. A good shot stopper but not brilliant. Decent at crosses but not great. Good with the ball at his feet but not close to Ederson. I also thinks he has been lucky that not more of his mistakes have resulted in goals against.
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