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Newcastle Jets u15 7 - 0 Brazil 1970.Do you not think that they would?
Newcastle Jets u15 7 - 0 Brazil 1970.Do you not think that they would?
I think you are correct, I have some really good ideas that could help out here starting with a smaller goal and smaller ball, but also going further we could change the goal posts to a different shape and do away with corner flagsYeah it is a problem and makes a mockery for the game. Someone like @GoranIvanisevic needs to be brought in, possibly as a consultant, in order to develop ways of making it an even playing field.
are you joking or what? I don't think you fully realize the difference in athleticism between them.No, I'm not suggesting that, when I think 20 years ago, I still think it would be the 1980's. So when I said 30 years ago, what I really meant was around the 1970's.
Why are you jumping straight to Brazil? Using extremes isn’t a useful debate tacticAre you really seriously suggesting that Newcastle Jets U-16 are better than Brazil of 70s? Come on people.
Unless you are suggesting the beating if they actually met today, with the Brazilians barely able to walk. In which case I agree
Pele would struggle to get into that u15s sideNewcastle Jets u15 7 - 0 Brazil 1970.
I agree to the extent that they shouldn't be compared. However, part of the problem is the media reporting over women's football where they try and make comparisons between the men's game.The women's game is developing - so let it develop.
Most of the suggestions people keep making in order to improve the women's game (like smaller balls and goals) aren't wanted by the majority of players and coaches.
The physical disadvantage (compared to the men's game) isn't an issue if you stop comparing the women's game with the men's all the time. The quality of the best women's teams has clearly improved dramatically over the last few decades - eventually the quality of minnows will improve too, to the point where ridiculous cricket scores won't be as common (remember - they do occur from time to time in the men's game as well).
I don't really see it either (apart from the purely logistic argument) - but the fact is that the players themselves don't want it. Which you just have to respect for the time being.To be honest, I don't really see what the issue is with smaller goals (I get this would require slightly different facilities but it isn't that big of an issue) as in other sports the games have slight variations on them in order to make them slightly more comparable due to the physical differences. Women's football has a problem with goalkeeping/goals scored as whilst the outfield play in a womens game can be good, you still have the problem of having easily conceded goals which turns people off as football is a low scoring sport in its essence.
I do respect that the people involved in womens football should decide, however I do feel like there should be more of an open debate around it. Emma Hayes for instance made a good point about this but quickly got shot down:I don't really see it either (apart from the purely logistic argument) - but the fact is that the players themselves don't want it. Which you just have to respect for the time being.
I've said this before, but as the sport grows, the talent pool will - obviously - become larger. Which will mean that some of the taller girls who per now opt for other sports will opt for football - and end up as keepers. It won't change overnight, of course - but unless women's football for some reason will stop developing in terms of global recognition and whatnot, it will change over time.
You don't really see that in evenly matched top teams though, do you? Like at the World Cup or Euros. The problem is just that with leagues, the Olympics, and qualifiers, you get a wider range of quality, and the dfference between top and bottom is still ridiculous right now.Women's football has a problem with goalkeeping/goals scored as whilst the outfield play in a womens game can be good, you still have the problem of having easily conceded goals which turns people off as football is a low scoring sport in its essence.
Hard to say - but one thing to note is that San Marino (men) is literally the worst team in the world.As I said before, I think another issue is that defensive organization isn't as much a focus in women's football yet, so you still get these insane scores - but was the difference between England and Latvia really that much bigger than between England and San Marino (or replace San Marino with any tiny country) in the recent men's game?
It was far greater and not just the scoreline.You don't really see that in evenly matched top teams though, do you? Like at the World Cup or Euros. The problem is just that with leagues, the Olympics, and qualifiers, you get a wider range of quality, and the dfference between top and bottom is still ridiculous right now.
Although you have the difference in quality in international qualifiers for the WC and Euros in the men's game too. As I said before, I think another issue is that defensive organization isn't as much a focus in women's football yet, so you still get these insane scores - but was the difference between England and Latvia really that much bigger than between England and San Marino (or replace San Marino with any tiny country) in the recent men's game?
Do you have real facts that women football is more than figure skate? you know women figure skate is one of the biggest event in the Winter Olympics.Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it shouldn't be encouraged to reach its maximum potential. There are far more people interested and involved in women's football (even if you are not one of them) than figure skating. Simply because football is just a more popular sport. So they should invest there to make it better instead of only some niche discipline that interests far less people.
I don't really watch female football as its not my thing but is it really this lopsided? This looks ridiculous to be honest.Tweet
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In Spain it is. Barcelona is a contender for the best team in the world, reigning Champion League winners and will be facing Lyon in the final soon.I didn't know where to post this so this thread seemed apt.I don't really watch female football as its not my thing but is it really this lopsided? This looks ridiculous to be honest.Tweet
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Well good to hear, that kinda of dominance can't be good.In Spain it is. Barcelona is a contender for the best team in the world, reigning Champion League winners and will be facing Lyon in the final soon.
The French, German, Italian and English leagues are closer.
The French wasn’t so close recently though. I’m sure Lyon had unbeaten seasons for years.In Spain it is. Barcelona is a contender for the best team in the world, reigning Champion League winners and will be facing Lyon in the final soon.
The French, German, Italian and English leagues are closer.
They couldn't have done it without the female Messi, Xavi and IniestaI didn't know where to post this so this thread seemed apt.I don't really watch female football as its not my thing but is it really this lopsided? This looks ridiculous to be honest.Tweet
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Give the goalies extended bionic armsMaybe goal size should be reduced?
Would pay to watch that actually.Give the goalies extended bionic arms
I was all for this too and thought it the best solution until someone on here made a really great point (apologies to the op as I can't remember who it was).Maybe goal size should be reduced?
Yeah that's a great point it probably won't be too functional.I was all for this too and thought it the best solution until someone on here made a really great point (apologies to the op as I can't remember who it was).
Womens teams often have to play on lower level mens teams pitches and across the board its pretty much impossible. Very often they are left to use whatever they can find and even up to almost the top level forced to use Sunday League pitches. While at the top level (wsl etc...) it can be done it would mean high level womens games have smaller goals than all others levels and Fifa would never go for that. It also would be next to impossible for Sunday League clubs to swap goals and goal sizes for 2 teams etc... A good solution in an ideal world with ideal facilities but can't be done in practice.
So, basically a Guardiola team in the CL?The womens game seems more vulnerable to emotional and confidence issues, the weaker teams often concede multiple times in 20 mins or so once the first goes in.
Maybe that's the right thing to do. The respect thing is so overblown. Men's team or women's team, if you're bad enough to concede a cricket score consistently, you should not be playing in the same league.Plus the respect thing doesnt seem to exist in the womens game so much where teams back off when its obvious they done enough to win.
Hopefully for sure. Its sad to thing that in 2022 most womens teams are left using facilities not up to par for the men or not tailored to them.Yeah that's a great point it probably won't be too functional.
The perfect scenario would be having an slightly smaller pitch and goal compared to the man's game but that isn't really possible as you said.
Maybe it could change in the future if their game becomes more profitable, we'll see.
Yes, PSG has entered the scene. They won the league last season, and will get second reasonably close to Lyon this year.The French wasn’t so close recently though. I’m sure Lyon had unbeaten seasons for years.
The standard in some leagues is extremely top heavy. I think Germany, Italy and England do it a lot better than some leagues. England especially has a competitive league which is great. Especially as foreign players have left the country in the past because it was too easy for them
The Allianz will be sold out next weekend, thankfully different people enjoy different things.Just like when you cheat on FM for a season with a super team for laughs, perfect season!
Personally don't enjoy women's football as a spectacle, don't think it really works from an entertainment perspective.
Yeah, must feel awful.Hopefully for sure. Its sad to thing that in 2022 most womens teams are left using facilities not up to par for the men or not tailored to them.
Only 2 years ago the Irish womens team weren't allowed to keep their international team tracksuits and had to change into ones they were loaned in toilets on aeroplanes etc... Imagine going to play for your country and being told that you can't keep the tracksuit because they wanna share it with underage boys teams.
I think interest is growing for sure. Sky starting to broadcast is a step in the right direction in England (which is ahead of the curve for the most part), Its growing super fast so hopefully the money comes everywhere soon.Yeah, must feel awful.
It's the sad reality of it in all honesty, there just isn't that much interest in it i reckon, it seems to be getting more popular though though I doubt it would ever get close to anything that the men's game generates.
That's the one thing i've noticed as well. Have watched multiple games and seen some fantastic outfield players akin to the mens game, which considering this is still a game in development in comparison is pretty great. The keepers however are absolutely shocking, and there isn't even an excuse about goal size when alot of these poor attempts at saves are within reach it's quite bizarreFrom the admittedly few games I've watched, the keepers look like the biggest weak point here. That or the size of the goal frames.
I've seen so many shots basically go in dead centre of the goal, or in areas a keeper should really be reaching.
You mean profitably or just sheer quality?Can women's football ever reach the level of men's?
Men's football is probably ahead of most sports in terms of athleticism, competition, research etc.
I wonder if Rugby or Cricket are even close to football in terms of conditioning, data science etc.
Mostly quality but also all the stuff behind the scenes that optimises performance at the highest level (PEDs excluded).You mean profitably or just sheer quality?
Errrr......over 90k twice have watched Barca's women play at the Camp Nou this very season, so I really don't see where you are coming from in terms of your point that it won't get close to anything the men's game generates.Yeah, must feel awful.
It's the sad reality of it in all honesty, there just isn't that much interest in it i reckon, it seems to be getting more popular though I doubt it would ever get close to anything that the men's game generates.