If you don’t believe the managers we’ve had aren’t completely to blame for our problems in the last five years or so then there’s nothing really to discuss.
Board vs Jose
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When the manager falls out with the likes of Martial and Pogba, then you can see why the board is hesitant to back the manager.
What does the board know about football?
Hopefully the board stands tall and Martial stays and Jose walks.
That's problem though. Building from within works well when you have a manager suited to doing it. Ours has always been about spending and instant/big (and usually success) impact. When it comes to developing our young talents you only have to see how well Martial, Rashford and TFM are doing in our first team to judge him at it. His football is methodical, disciplined and cautious, and demands a certain type of player. So I'm not sure hiring Mourinho and then clipping his wings is correct even though I understand our board being cautious.
We've got the great Jose Mourinho building blocks for an eventual downfall already. It's going to be a long few months.
If the rumoured targets are correct, the likes of Willian and Sandro are high level players. Even if Mourinho is to leave, the next manager is working with top players. It’s not like he is targetting players like Andy Carroll.
We have the same model we had under Fergie. We have no football experts on the board.
If the owners want to limit the manager's influence on transfers, they should hire a DOF or appoint someone who knows anything about football to sit on that board.
If that is true, why does he continue to play them in preference to his own signings of Bailly and Lindelöf?
Or maybe Jose has less say on transfers than we all believe. Which is certainly possible, and why we ended up signing obviously non-Jose players like Mkhitaryan; possibly Pogba also.
Some fair points, though what seems most ludicrous to me about right wing is that we haven't apparently found anyone from Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Lingard or Mata that can do well there, or at least not consistently... I am not convinced this is a player recruitment issue tbh. Or if it is, then bringing in Sanchez was a big mistake. Martial's form on the left last season was good, so was Lingard's behind the striker... if Sanchez can't play on the right (I am not at all convinced of that) then we should not have got him.
Also I honestly don't think it is realistic for us to boost the squad enough to get close to City at the moment. Who could we buy to do that? We might be better off giving some more emphasis to developing our current players towards this end than looking for a quick fix, unless a real diamond is available and I am not sure I can see that.
Let's use Willian for example. Just imagine the next manager says he doesn't want him for any reason. How much are we going to sell a 31/32 year old for?
Think that's the board's reasoning. And why they won't even bother paying what Chelsea would want.
But Ferguson proved he could be trusted. Jose has only been here 2 seasons and he's already wasted money. He's mismanaged a highly rated £60m player to the point he's desperate to leave, and there's rumours of Pogba being unhappy with the manager. The football we play is abysmal too. Can't say I'd be in a hurry to hand Mourinho another warchest to spend.
You win some you lose some. If they are that worried about Mourinho being here or not next year they should just sack him now. There is no point in being this half hearted with the transfers. We are setting up to fail by being indecisive.
Sanchez seemed the logical choice to me but we seem he'll bent on making him our left winger/number 10/playmaker/Mr Manchester so I guess we'll continue to have make do right wingers like Mata/Lingard and strikers who hate playing there.
The board appointed these managers, approved that money being splurged on absolute shite. The board is mainly comprised of Glazers and businessmen who don't have any footballing IQ. They allowed that massive outlay because it was necessary but we bought very very poorly. That's both on them for appointing dud managers and authorising these players be bought. They failed to implement proper structures at the club and thought Fergie would go on forever. Now they don't care about trophies, they only care about CL. Mourinho is not a Manchester Utd manager in the same way Moyes wasn't. Square pegs all over the place. Next season is going to be a disaster.
I agree. My personal opinion is to bite the bullet and sign his players but that's my view as a fan. The money men might not agree.
That's why it's important to have a clear philosophy of how you want to run your club and what kind of manager you want.
The point is that United operate with a certain structure. The footballing decisions, including who the club targets, is the manager's department.
If the board has misgivings about the manager's competence, they need to sack him - not second guess his targets. They can – of course – tell him there aren't enough funds, that's different. Or (see Perisic) that they won't bend over for Inter Milan (that's different too).
With José in particular, second guessing him can only have one possible outcome: Woody may as well kick him in the nuts to get the meltdown started sooner (because it will come with 100% certainty anyway).
I remember being more than a little bemused when we extended his contract mid-season. You would think we at least wait a few months to see how the season pans out surely.
This situation is far from healthy.
If the board is hesitant to back Mourinho and don't think he'll be able to man manage these players, sack him then and get another manager. Keeping a manager unhappy with the squad while having players unhappy with the manager will lead to a disaster.
That's if we assume your logic is true and the board doesn't trust Mourinho which I strongly disagree with.
Agree with this. he bought two cbs already
Criticizing the Glazers/Woodward feels like a cop out to me. United have spent £600m since the end of SAF's reign. Madrid's net spend is a third of that and yet they've won 4 European titles in that time. No United manager can claim they haven't been backed. The problems go deeper.
I can't knock the board for potentially being tepid about backing Mourinho further given how he's failed to get the most of the investment the club has already made. Must be rather annoying for them that the areas seemingly being targeted are areas that have already been invested in over the last 2 years...
Would a director of football really help steer the clubs seemingly aimless/directionless personnel policy? I've seen it mentioned often but fail to see how the dynamic would work in practice under Mourinho
I can't knock the board for potentially being tepid about backing Mourinho further given how he's failed to get the most of the investment the club has already made. Must be rather annoying for them that the areas seemingly being targeted are areas that have already been invested in over the last 2 years...
Would a director of football really help steer the clubs seemingly aimless/directionless personnel policy? I've seen it mentioned often but fail to see how the dynamic would work in practice under Mourinho
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What about his attitude and body language. Granted, none of us are experts at reading but he doesn’t strike me as a particularly happy man right now.
Great!! Lets throw out the current most decorated manager for a 22 yr old sloth. That sounds logical!!
To me it looks more like a man under pressure, not unhappy. He knows with the squad we have finishing above City would be a miracle and if he gets sacked again, there are not many big clubs he could go to.
That's because Woody got conned
He's in a bind now. Jose was very methodical about the way he went about making noise in getting an extension. I'd seen it the season before at Chelsea with him. Do you think he really admired PSG when he came out with that nonsense? I think we were having an ok period as well and Woody probably wanted him to shut up and thought there can't be much harm in giving him a short extension under the circumstances. Got totally manipulated there.Even if Ed now has misgivings, won't the Glazers be scrutinising him now? They followed his judgment in granting the extension. To get rid of him right this moment means a huge pay off. Unless things are so dire, I can't somehow seeing the Glazers being happy about that. It was for Ed to find a way to head off Jose and wait until the end of the season before deciding on an extension. Now he's fecked I reckon.
I think Mourinho will go and not Ed. I see Jose as more dispensable to the Glazers than someone like Woodward.That's because Woody got conned
Even if Ed now has misgivings, won't the Glazers be scrutinising him now? They followed his judgment in granting the extension. To get rid of him right this moment means a huge pay off. Unless things are so dire, I can't somehow seeing the Glazers being happy about that. It was for Ed to find a way to head off Jose and wait until the end of the season before deciding on an extension. Now he's fecked I reckon.
The Glazers probably think he’s doing a fantastic job based on $$$
I get what you're saying and it mostly makes sense but I do think it falls a little bit short. The board are the ones who appointed Moyes and LVG and then proceeded to back them in whatever they wanted to do. If they don't trust Mourinho then what's the point? They either need a DoF or some sort of bridge between managers or else this will keep happening each time we fire and hire a new manager. I know this isn't exactly what you're saying but it basically reads as Jose is being punished for the bad spending of previous managers - if that's the case then who could blame Jose for being pissed off.
Yes of course. However because he gave him that extension, even if he now thought we need to get rid of the manager, he'd need to convince the Glazers to pay out a lot of money due to that extension. Ed might be making them money, but they won't be happy if he needlessly fecks up like this. Ed is in a kind of a bind. However, I'm sure they'll figure it out eventually.
I don't agree that the board either give Mourinho whatever he wants or they sack him. There's a middle ground where they say enough is enough, make do with what you have. Is Mourinho getting the most out of the players he already has? Not even close. If he were then sure, give him more money to improve. But the board are within their right to expect more from what he's already been given, and what he inherited. We have some good players in the team who are made to look rubbish due to his horrible tactics. Spending more money isn't going to fix that.
The board has backed him with funds though. It's him that chose to spend big getting another LW in Sanchez in instead of addressing the obvious issue on the other flank. Funnily enough, Mahrez was available at the same time and would have been superb for us. The problem area was so damn obvious that even randomers on the internet thought Sanchez was being signed for the right wing.
They have backed Mourinho but given we aren't a Psg or a City, we have a budget within which we needs to operate. So if you buy a 3rd left winger instead of a first choice right winger, that's on you. You can't come back in the summer saying Hey, I'd like a right winger too now and you know the 35mil I spent on a CB last summer who I barely played? Yeah I want another guy there too. Oh and yes, I also want rid of the Martials and would like to stock up on the Perisics and Willians.
They're probably even questioning the wisdom of giving him big money when he's unable to get anywhere close to the best out of what he already has and that's sensible too. Its not a great scenario to be in as fans but that's how it is and why some have been saying for a while now that he won't be able to take us ahead as a club.
When you look at the budget we're operating with it isn't actually that far behind City. The only difference is City have mostly spent very well, and we haven't.
What board?
The season hasn't even started and we're in semi turmoil. Start the new manager search now and save us a season of shitness.
What are the most recent quotes by anyone on the board?
One can hope and pray.
At that point they should just sack him. We're not achieving anything with this squad and that's the bottom line. If they don't trust Jose to make the right signings, get someone else and see how that works out for us.
What turmoil?
"The board are United in their overwhelming relief that Marouane Fellaini decided to sign a new contract"
This is what Arsenal have been doing for a while now and it's made their board members a lot of money.
From a business standpoint, aiming for top 4, while spending as little as possible, so that the owners can take the money and buy a new mansion/yacht is the best business model to follow.
For us fans though....we just want to win, so would love Jose to get his hands on Neymar, Mbappe, Messi, etc. Imagine if these players were all playing for MUFC!!
Funniest post in this thread.