The diaspora skews higher income, which correlated to voting Bolsonaro. (Not to be mistaken with any idea that the upper income in Brazil can win an election on their own, which they clearly can't given the past 4 elections).
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I think more than Trump supporters what we are witnessing is a global movement where citizens don't like to be told what is morally right or wrong to do, how to vote or how to behave. Even if it is blatant obvious they didn't voted on a tolerant guy to say the least.
So far, they pat each other on the back. Le Pen, Salvini, Trump... they were the first to congratulate Bolsonaro. Farage was the first to congratulate Trump. Twats of a feather....
Following along with this logic for a second, what is the alternative?
Drain the swamp I'm sorry I couldn't resist
I can see how a candidate like Bolsonaro would be appealing to Brazilians. Rampant crime, endless corruption, economic insecurity. Why would you vote for the same politicians who've delivered that sortof a situation? You'd vote for someone who proposes and represents something different. It must be especially hard to take in a resource rich country like Brazil, where the state is the majority shareholder in Petrobras but things are still so difficult.
I only know 3 brazilians, all women, and they hate his guts. I was surprised because they are fairly religious, two of them even sing in the choir, and I've read evangelicals support Bolsonaro in huge numbers.
Sure, they're not centre-left, they are far-left, but you don't see them saying they'll collectivize the farms or some other communist slogan. Bolsonaro said he would arrest political opponents and execute people. It's not really a choice between Hitler and Stalin, more like Hitler and a run of the mill communist. Maybe I should've worded it "moderate compared to Bolsonaro".
Let them learn the real lesson. Sooner or later they will find they were lying.
Only thing I know is that he is highly supported by evangelicals and IURDS likes. Also the Brazilians whom I know are so fed up with PT that I think if Mickey Mouse was running for President they would elect him. Reality is he won so lets see if he was only making schoking statements to win or if he takes it seriously.
This I agree with.
Two of them don't like PT but they quoted what he said abut women, rape and blacks to justify voting for Haddad.
Lets see what he does, but generally these south american pseudo-dictators tend to walk the walk. And he has the army on his side.
US, Russia, India, Turkey, Brazil, Egypt and Israel among others. Not a very pretty picture.
You forgot Italy as one of the very prominent ones. But the big battle in the next few years will be to keep France away from Le Pen's grasp. If France ever turns, we're fecked. It would break the Franco-German alliance driving Europe and from then on we're in uncharted waters. Although I have my doubts that Europe can keep going as is anyway.
Yeah, funnily enough my life is centered around Italy. Don't take their politicians seriously though, and usually the governments get replaced very frequently.
To be fair, at the moment it cannot be considered that they have a far right government. Lega is obviously far right, but Movimento Cinque Stelle (who are the major partner in the coalition) are populist, but not you're typical right wing populist. More like a batshit-crazy-almost-anarchist group, with no clear alignment in the right or left.
The problem though is that on recent polls (after the election), Lega is polling much better and seem to be by far the largest party. However, not close to making a government on its own, and if they destroy the current government, Movimento probably wouldn't want to be in coalition with them for the next government (in fact, Movimento Cinque Stelle actually wanted to form the government with PD - the center left party, but PD having almost halved in the election, decided to go into opposition).
I’m seriously disappointed in some of my childhood heroes like Ronaldinho and Kaka for supporting this guy. 
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wealth distribution of the vote, it's the rich what done it
wealth distribution of the vote, it's the rich what done it
Then explain why the Worker's Party won the 4 prior elections.
it's the poor what done it
. Fair 'nough.My point is just that this voting pattern of the rich voting right and the poor voting left isn't new in Brazil. All the rich people in Brazil are far from enough to overturn all the votes of the poor. What probably happened was that Bolsonaro won more votes down the income scale that the Social Dems had in the prior 4 elections.
The statement he makes is not backed by anything in the study he quotes.
What constitutes a “mild redistributionary politico”? There’s gross oversimplification in this, to the point where on the whole it’s a false statement. In most countries Socialist/Labour parties (mild left) poll much higher among the rich than anything far right. And while the majority of the rich will tend to vote centre-right, to suggest that they would prefer to vote far right than mild left is a major leap not backed by any evidence I’ve seen.
I mean sure, people vote for their interests. The rich will tend to majority vote against tax rises and the poor will tend to vote for anything that promises more giveaways. A truth as old as politics. But the factors that push the moderate people to the extremes of either direction don't tend to be the response to something "mild". It also disregards all other context. The situation in Brasil (with the scandals, corruption, increasing criminality) is not something mild.
Yeah if I'm going to be impacted by someone's ignorance, I'm not waiting for the penny to drop on their end to say something.
Lessons from Bolsonaro's Victory - Glenn Greenwald
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@Le Red what do the brazilians think about Bolsonaro´s environment politics, the protection of Amazonas and all that? They carebut has convinced them with other policies (such as security) considered more important or on the contrary there is something else
Is this credible analysis? I inherently distrust anything Glenn Greenwald says these days.
Why? I thought he was a solid reporter.
He's a little bit too... Russian, let's say.
The judge who convicted Lula was named minister of justice. Sounds legit.
Paying back favours keep friendship alive.
Also, the fecker now wants to move the Brazil embassy from Tel Aviv to fecking Jerusalem.
Only 50%. The other 50% by trees and plants.
Now, fecking Bolsonaro has announced he will merge the Environmental ministry with the Agriculture ministry. fecking clown.
He wasted no time in start paying favours back to all those wealthy landowners who financed his campaign.
What that means is, there is gonna be green light to keep destroying the Amazonas, and not only that, but replacing it with cows and pigs.
Basically, replacing a lung for a gigantic anus.
Easy win for a friendship with US nowadaysPaying back favours keep friendship alive.
Also, the fecker now wants to move the Brazil embassy from Tel Aviv to fecking Jerusalem.
Easier to just say Toad Don is the smartest person ever born.
The people who voted for Haddad did it because they disliked Bolsonaro and the people who voted for Bolsonaro did it because they disliked Haddad (didn't trust PT).
They were both terrible choices, every bit as dangerous as eachother.
They were both terrible choices, every bit as dangerous as eachother.
Much has been said about Bolsonaro - why do you consider Haddad as dangerous as him?
Yeah that's literally bollocks.
Looking forward to see you justify this sentence.
What an interesting viewpoint.
There are a lot of people who love Bolsonaro. They are very passionate. It doesnt seem to be just an anti-pt thing.