All the polls show that Lula would have walked the election if he wasn't in jail, so it's more about people than parties.
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Lula is a special case because everybody knows that he can control the crazy part of PT. Also if he was president he would manage to calm down the situation and stop the divisions. But its impossible to know if Lula would be elected because Bolsonaro was losing to everybody in the opinion polls projecting the second ballot. He started to grow after being stabbed.
I have to understand these fascists loving Israel, i do really have to.Paying back favours keep friendship alive.
Also, the fecker now wants to move the Brazil embassy from Tel Aviv to fecking Jerusalem.
They're not Nazis. There's nothing inherently anti-semitic about the far-right, that's just one of the most common features. In the case of Israel they're playing to a different audience.
No civil war when the military and most of the civilians voted for him, what gave him the victory wasn’t the corruption on the left but the extreme violence on the country with almost 64k people murdered last year.
Many of them still are quite anti-Semitic but also admire aspects of the current Israeli state and the way they operate. Look at how the Trump admin is pro-Israel but had Bannon as a key figure initially. Or how you've Netanyahu cosying up to Orban currently in spite of Orban being incredibly anti-Soros.
All the brazilians I know here in New Jersey are happy with his victory.
...so just like he said then
So any party thats not from the left is called far-right now? If the Republicans are a far-right party then the democrats a comunism party?
The support to Israel come from evangelical, not from fascists. Evangelicals are 28% of the country but at the current grow rate they will be majority in two decades. Even the leftist candidate Haddad had to go to churches pretending be Christian. Great parts of Brazil are like a poor man's Alabama now.
Israel is the kind of state they wish to emulate, an ethnicity on top, everyone else subdued
Good call. Yet Israel should protest against these right-wing extremists.
Weren't some zionist nationalists linked to Nazi to try to kick the British out of Palestine? It might explain this link between fascists and Israel.
No, that's utter nonsense.
There was significant sympathy with Nazi Germany in the Arab world for their anti-British and anti-Jewish policies, and partly also their fascist ideas of state and society, although the exact proportions are the subject of much scholarly and political dispute, as to be expected. The best known Middle Eastern Nazi collaborator of that time was Palestinian Arab leader Amin al-Husseini. If you want to know about the state of research, @2cents is your man. I guess there'll be an older post or two from him on that subject.
Well, that made no sense. Where or when did I call the Republicans as far right?
I think he's referring to the idea pushed by people like Ken Livingstone that because there was a certain level of cooperation in the 30s between Nazis who wanted to rid their country of Jews and Zionists who wanted to save Jewish lives that this means there was a Nazi-Zionist 'alliance', or as Livingstone put it "Hitler was a Zionist before he went mad."
I sensed that too. But since he only actually wrote about a anti-British = pro-axis attitude, I guess he mainly confused a popular Arab stance for a Zionist one, so I added the second paragraph. It turned out to be a bit longer (and referring to your posting history) to avoid a blanket statement on this, for several reasons.
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I know about this, but read that both the Irgun and Nazi Germany had a common enemy: the U.K.
Didn't mean to sound offensive though. Just wanted to know this part of the history.
Th Irgun generally supported the British throughout the war, until the final years. They turned against the British in Palestine around 1944. The Nazis were not involved. The Revisionist Zionism of the Irgun was certainly influenced to a degree by interwar European fascism - Italian, not German - but in any case they were a minority faction at that time.
Fair enough. The whole story is not clear so it was the reason i was asking.
Chaos and division elsewhere in the world results in those nations Jewish people moving to Israel
From what I've read, it was not all of Irgun but a faction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#Wartime_contacts_with_Italy_and_Germany
Pretty much this. You can even hear it in Trump rhetoric around immigrates throwing stones etc.
Such a cunning masterplan.
I am interested to see you expand on this, as you seem to take some degree of offence whenever certain criticisms of Zionism are put forward, rightly or wrongly, but have put forward nebulous claim that 'significant' numbers of Arabs followed this ideology or that it was a 'popular' Arab stance to support Nazism/ fascism, without any real information as to what kind of percentages you personally are referring to.
An elected state mp in bolsonaro's party is asking for college students to report teachers who spread ideology in classes. She's asking for them to film or tape this and send it to a hotline she created.
I'd say it's fairly common knowledge, although I have deliberately put in the caution about the disputes around it in that post. I'll write something in the appropriate thread tonight.
Calling the only party in Brazil a far right party in a country that only the left won since the military stepped down when is not a far right party, the leader is a populist like Trump and so far any party thats not socialist or social democratic is called far right on this forum.
Barros are you pretending to be this stupid ?
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Looks like the obvious theories are proven -
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/brazil-archive-operation-car-wash/
AN ENORMOUS TROVE of secret documents reveals that Brazil’s most powerful prosecutors, who have spent years insisting they are apolitical, instead plotted to prevent the Workers’ Party, or PT, from winning the 2018 presidential election by blocking or weakening a pre-election interview with former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva with the explicit purpose of affecting the outcome of the election.
Summary here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rgio-moro-judge-collaborated-with-prosecutors
Bolded is essentially confirmation that they're genuine.
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/brazil-archive-operation-car-wash/
AN ENORMOUS TROVE of secret documents reveals that Brazil’s most powerful prosecutors, who have spent years insisting they are apolitical, instead plotted to prevent the Workers’ Party, or PT, from winning the 2018 presidential election by blocking or weakening a pre-election interview with former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva with the explicit purpose of affecting the outcome of the election.
Summary here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rgio-moro-judge-collaborated-with-prosecutors
Bolded is essentially confirmation that they're genuine.
He was always this "judge-investigator". It was quite apparent. I would've preferred if he'd kept a much lower public profile, and if he'd never taken the job as justice minister. That said, the events uncovered are true and they are criminal.
There were huge protests couple of weeks ago now the government investigating journos. Surprise...surprise, the government elected to rid corruption is as corrupt as the ones before.
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Decision was handed down from the Brazilian supreme court banning Bolsonaro's government from investigating Greenwald. Anyone over there in Brazil? What's been the general public's reaction to the Moro scandal and how do they view Bolsnaro's government so far?
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Glenn Greenwald charged with "cyber-crimes" after exposing the rotten nature of Lula's prosecution and the corruption of the ruling family.
A journalist who worked on media corruption and on Modi's state govt's shady deals with oil companies eventually left India/journalism in ~2017 after all outlets stopped publishing him. He got luckier than Glenn here.
(Edit - messed up names, the Indian guy is Paranjoy Guha Thakurta)
A journalist who worked on media corruption and on Modi's state govt's shady deals with oil companies eventually left India/journalism in ~2017 after all outlets stopped publishing him. He got luckier than Glenn here.
(Edit - messed up names, the Indian guy is Paranjoy Guha Thakurta)
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Outrage as Jair Bolsonaro appears to endorse Brazil anti-democracy protests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-anti-democracy-protests
Amazing how good the right-wing is at this, worldwide. Honestly, the sports commentator cliche applies here, they want it more, they fight like there is something at stake.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-anti-democracy-protests
Amazing how good the right-wing is at this, worldwide. Honestly, the sports commentator cliche applies here, they want it more, they fight like there is something at stake.
Still a bit recent to gauge whether these will be significant or not, but let's hope they flop. But you're right, they manage to rope so many people into a siege mentality. I really don't have an answer as to why its possible.
The fact all the left does these days is push for a very mild social democracy, really does prove this point.