Ha ha on what planet has he had massive backing, we’ve sold a player every year and used that money to reinvest in new players.
Brendan Rodgers | Rejoins Celtic on 3 year deal
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Sigh, right as I’ve said before Rodgers inherited a great squad. The three years of midtable finishes were when we had to entirely rebuild the squad that won the league as so many were too old, we were then hampered by the shite summer window after the league win and it’s taken ages to get the squad in the right place. That happened under Puel, every single Leicester fan could see where things were going and that a half decent manager could get so much more out of the team.
Rodgers is a good manager, but the quality is in the squad for him.
Does he do the actual coaching at Leicester or he has good coaches working for him?
he's a hands on coach on the field every day, works with Chris Davies, Kolo Toure and Adam Sadler as the main coaching team
I agree but I don't think that makes it a bottle job. Imo, he's part of the reason why they got in the top 4 for so long anyway. If Chelsea lose in the CL final and miss out on top 4, I dont think Tuchel should be blamed as he got them into both positions in the first place anyway.
I can get why you might not want him here. I just think there's a large block of people determined to deny him credit.
Maybe Leicester could do better. But Rodgers wasn't given much credit at Liverpool as people said Suarez made his job easy (even though it took Klopp years and a better team to win the league). At Celtic, people dismissed his achievements as being easy because Celtic should be winning everything anyway (even though they fell apart soon after he left and became an embarrassment). Maybe Leicester could actually do better with a better manager but either Rodgers is the luckiest manager to ever work at this level or he's actually pretty good and there isn't very many managers that would do better than him.
What is it with him and goal differences?
Bottled it yet again. Losing to Newcastle at home has cost him.
Had them in the CL places for 70 weeks over the past two seasons only to end up in the Europa League both times. That’s got to sting a lot.
Read this as Adam Sandler.
Gutting. Though, not unexpected - performances have been very flat for a while now, and if not for Iheanacho's heroics we'd have dropped out of contention a long time ago.
I think "bottling it" is too simple (and lazy) explanation, although I do think there's certainly an element of mental fragility in there.
Both times the team have dropped off massively in the second half of the season. I wonder if part of that is just the lack of squad depth compared to the top teams.
That and the inability to alter tactics to suit the time of season. Brendan's rigidness produced the infamous Crystanbul. Bottled it because couldn't alter how we play at that key moment.
Oh I agree with that for sure. Once he thinks he's found a "winning formula", he seems to flog it to death.
Will Leicester fans care too much about missing out on CL ?
They've just won the Fa Cup for the first time in like, 50 years and still are regularly qualyfing for european competition
They've just won the Fa Cup for the first time in like, 50 years and still are regularly qualyfing for european competition
First time ever!
That's awesome. I feel like Rodgers is the right man for you guys. Been a pleasure to see the club's progress since 2014. Seems so long ago that Pearson was at the wheel.
Congrats and good luck on the final day of the season.
I fancy Villa to get a point at least against Chelsea anyway
How many points were they clear? I swear it was 15 last season & about 10 this season? He’s done a fantastic job overall but these late season collapses must be a concern for their fans.
Europa is better for them to get more experiance in europe.
Me too. Had visions of the water boy
That's the corrupting power of CL money, isn't. I mean, the FA Cup is a real prize that you can celebrate and remember and put in a cabinet and all that. It becomes part of the club's history.
None of that applies to qualifying for the CL, which is most likely followed by going out relatively early without any chance of winning it (for a club like Leicester at this stage of their development), and thus basically comes down to a non-first finish followed by a meh European campaign. But CL qualification now by many valued higher than the domestic cups because of the boatload of money that CL participation brings.
This is logical and unavoidable of course, because football is a big-money business, where success correlates significantly with success. But it does make football so much more boring...
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Last season they definitely bottled it but this season I feel it's different. Vardy can't score anymore and they relied on Iheanacho too much.
If you look past their starting 11 it's a very average squad. They just don't have the quality in the squad to sustain their form. One or two injuries and there is nobody in that squad to make a difference in a tight match.
Brendan has done a fantastic job over there and I still think EL is a better competition for Leicester than the CL.
Of course they would get more money from CL but they would have to play their strongest team in the CL and that would cripple their league form even more. In the EL group stages they could at least rest some players.
If you look past their starting 11 it's a very average squad. They just don't have the quality in the squad to sustain their form. One or two injuries and there is nobody in that squad to make a difference in a tight match.
Brendan has done a fantastic job over there and I still think EL is a better competition for Leicester than the CL.
Of course they would get more money from CL but they would have to play their strongest team in the CL and that would cripple their league form even more. In the EL group stages they could at least rest some players.
They miss Barnes and Justin. Out wide there's a real lack of pace with none of Perez, Ian Nachos or the full backs offering width.
Doesn't help that their two best attackers in Vardy and Madison haven't been great, one injured and dropped for partying, the other looking shot similar to the likes of Mane and Rashford, most likely due to lack of a break between this season and last.
Doesn't help that their two best attackers in Vardy and Madison haven't been great, one injured and dropped for partying, the other looking shot similar to the likes of Mane and Rashford, most likely due to lack of a break between this season and last.
Not sure why everyone keeps saying t. They need to beat Spurs which is doable and hope one of CP or Villa can get a point against Liverpool or Chelsea respectively.
It’s far from done and the above scenario is not a crazy one. They’re favourites against Spurs IMO and considering the season Villa and Liverpool have had, a draw in one of the other two games is not impossible.
We are Brendan Godgers' army. We are going to win the cup.
Dont they now need to beat Spurs really convincingly ? Liverpool have a better GD and play palace
Chelsea are less than 3 points in front also
Ah of course your best bet is Chelsea not winning rather than Livepool.
I don’t think There’s anything meh with less traditional big clubs fans having the chance to watch their club up against the the big boys like Madrid, Barca, juve etc
I agree with you that the fa cup has lost importance and some would prefer top four instead but that’s not all down to money, it’s to see their team against Europe’s best the next year even if there is only a tiny chance their team could win it.
maybe the top 3 and fa cup winner qualify would be a better idea
Yep would have to agree with this. To lose so many important players in such a small top 6 outfit is difficult. And with your top striker losing form too through overplay. Yet still win the FA Cup and have a chance of top 4 into the last game is actually laudable.
Rodgers passes the test this season (with reasonable flying colours). His summer purchases and then next season will determine his bottlelessness.
They need to beat Spurs and hope that one of Chelsea or Liverpool don’t win. GD only matters if all three teams win, in which case they’d need to beat Spurs by at least 5 goals (depends how many Liverpool score against CP)
Well every season now, finishing in the top four seems like a title in itself
I remember when United won the Fa Cup in 2016 but some fans were upset because Van Gaal didn't get CL qualification and seems like the club fired him because of that
Yeah, I know. As I said, I understand - but I find it a pity how something as lame as ending fourth is now valued higher than winning the FA Cup. They should tie the 4th CL spot to the cup!
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I think a Fa Cup win should in itself give CL qualification. Copa Del Rey and French Cup, Italian cup, German cup, should be the same...
Here the Brazilian cup gives a place in the Libertadores. Unfortunately UEFA will never do that.
its not UEFA's decision, the places are awarded to the League who can allocate them however they see fit, they could have an end of season play offs for them if they wanted to
Sure. I just feel like allocating one place to the Fa Cup would give the medium and smaller teams (even from other divisions) a chance to play at the biggest stage.
Ha - that's exactly the reason why it won't happen. The Big 6 weren't planning on joining the ESL because they'd like the FA to provide more opportunities to other teams to join the CL.
Although other teams will be even less likely to win the FA Cup once it gives CL access: the big clubs wouldn't play a weakened team nearly as often anymore. So I guess that'd be the downside to this idea.In Leicester's case specifically, that would probably help. They seem a team more suited to winning cups than leagues these days. But yeah it will never happen.Ha - that's exactly the reason why it won't happen. The Big 6 weren't planning on joining the ESL because they'd like the FA to provide more opportunities to other teams to join the CL.
That's because we are traditionally a big club used to challenging in the CL and desperate to get back to the top. We also had won Silverware frequently up to that 2016 win.
Depends. For Leicester manager and players, the FA Cup win will last longer in their memories. They are adding to their CV's in a way CL qualification doesn't
I am loving this post and wish I could see the looks on deluded Arse fans faces when they read it. Thank you.
Fa Cup winner v 4th place in a playoff
4th seems to have higher prize reward for a club despite fa Cup win having more meaning for players
Winner gets cl (not needed if fa Cup winner is already in top4)
Game can happen esp given fa Cup completes before aeason ends