Can't stand the term 'sheeple'. Seems to be used exclusively by 'sheetheads'.
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While sheepheads watched their flock by night.
I think he believes his own words, but I've never known a politician so far out of touch with normal, working people.
I could see him living in a country mansion, and at night reading by candle light in those Victorian pyjamas with the funny hat, whilst the gramophone plays quietly in the background.
He then lets out a frustrated sigh as he remembers his man servant has retired to his room for the night, and he has to get out of bed to stop the gramophone himself.
I've said it before, he's like a politician from the 1930s who has been unfrozen from a time capsule or something.
IDS about the EU : "I think they are actually reacting in worry now. The truth is, you cannot have a plan A if you don’t have a plan B. Negotiation always requires that the other side believe that you will do something if this fails. And they haven’t believed that.
What they need to understand is that the UK has a plan to leave should they not agree a deal."
The EU are really worried the UK will shoot themselves in the foot, then in the knee, then in the.....
What they need to understand is that the UK has a plan to leave should they not agree a deal."
The EU are really worried the UK will shoot themselves in the foot, then in the knee, then in the.....
You can't write this stuff.
Apparently you can if it is dictated to you by IDS.
Presume these will be mounted troops, mounted on unicorns?
Ian Blackford, SNP leader at Westminster said:
"The leader of the opposition has become the midwife for Brexit"
"The leader of the opposition has become the midwife for Brexit"
Anyone read the latest Ivan Rogers speech on the whole debacle. Well worth a read if you have the time..
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/ (apologies for the Liverpool echo link)
TLDR version in the Guardian here
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-rogers-brexit-bombshell-digested-home-truths
I honestly can only see the process dragging on indefinitely after reading that. I can't see anyone wilfully letting us fall out without a deal unless they want their head on a spike outside the HoP and I can't really see anything being resolved in the next 3 months with all the party politics getting in the way of anything constructive coming from Westminster. Defacto can kicking is my prediction whether that means revoking Article 50 or via some other fudge.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/ (apologies for the Liverpool echo link)
TLDR version in the Guardian here
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-rogers-brexit-bombshell-digested-home-truths
I honestly can only see the process dragging on indefinitely after reading that. I can't see anyone wilfully letting us fall out without a deal unless they want their head on a spike outside the HoP and I can't really see anything being resolved in the next 3 months with all the party politics getting in the way of anything constructive coming from Westminster. Defacto can kicking is my prediction whether that means revoking Article 50 or via some other fudge.
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Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I wonder how much of the ignorance our politicians are displaying is willful - surely, they should know all this by now?
If ever a sentence summed up what pretty much the entirety of Westminster thinks of us.
Good point and it's almost difficult to decide whether abject dishonesty is worse than pigheaded ignorance of all available evidence.
You're forgetting the people who think Scotland is there so the tories don't win every election.If ever a sentence summed up what pretty much the entirety of Westminster thinks of us.
Neither is forgivable, tbh. My guess is there might be full-on denial as well, especially among the hardcore Brexiteers. It seems more like religion to them.
Votes on alternatives before Mays plan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46608952
I can see the logic as most probably no plan has 50% in parliment... Then she can present her deal last of all as an alternative to no deal in the hope it gets through.
To be honest though I'm not sure it's going to work and if any of the other options eg Norway gets more votes than her plan then I'm not sure what she does next?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46608952
I can see the logic as most probably no plan has 50% in parliment... Then she can present her deal last of all as an alternative to no deal in the hope it gets through.
To be honest though I'm not sure it's going to work and if any of the other options eg Norway gets more votes than her plan then I'm not sure what she does next?
Every time I see a clip from the commons they're all shouting over each other, childish cnuts, they're like those idiots in the classroom who are thick as pigshit so try showing off and interrupting everyone else.
In the words of Ali G. #RESTECP
Looks like a number of Tory MPs are now saying they'll side with Labour if the government goes full no deal. That's significant.
Just need Labour not to shit the bed and hold out on confidence motion until May passes her deal. GE mid February at this rate.
Just need Labour not to shit the bed and hold out on confidence motion until May passes her deal. GE mid February at this rate.
Serious question: if there was a GE do you really think Corbyn would win and if he did, would he win with a majority government?
Second part: if he did win, what would he do about Brexit?
1. I think labour would loose
2. I think him plus the snp might be able to make a coalition
3. Whatever wee Jimmy cranky tells him as a condition of the coalition....obvs indy ref 2 as well
I think there's too many unknowns to answer that. If they ran on a second vote then maybe with a coalition they win.
If there's a GE because of a confidence vote then those who had backed Labour in a confidence vote would i assume have to run as independents. They might end up as power makers.
Course he wouldnt win, british people vote for the same shit they spend years moaning about and thats why i hope remain voting tory scum get the full force of any Brexit coming their way.
Personally I don't see him winning a GE but if there was one he would have to reveal his Brexit intention. I don't think his magical cake and eat it proposition will go down too well now. A coalition with the SNP would be funny and probably not go down too well in England.
If Tories backed Labour in a no confidence vote would surely be deselected for a new GE and other candidates selected by the Tories to run in those constituencies.
no conservatives will back him - at best a handful might abstain
that said I caould see a few labour MP's prepared to vote on principal as Momentum have basically said they intend do deselect a fair few anyway.
WTF has happened to get us to here? Really?
This position will be used in politics seminars for years to come as how to betray everyone and bring down a country.
Spineless fecks to a man and woman!
Someone should stand up and say "in the interests of the country we should patently remain" and then propose a set of proposals to make our presence and say in Europe a stronger one! For far too many years we didn't know how to play the game and exiled problematic MPs to Brussels thinking we're getting them out of our hair when we should have been sending our strongest with a list of demands.
This position will be used in politics seminars for years to come as how to betray everyone and bring down a country.
Spineless fecks to a man and woman!
Someone should stand up and say "in the interests of the country we should patently remain" and then propose a set of proposals to make our presence and say in Europe a stronger one! For far too many years we didn't know how to play the game and exiled problematic MPs to Brussels thinking we're getting them out of our hair when we should have been sending our strongest with a list of demands.
He would not win, tories would, for the reasons I mentioned above.
Dunno what he'd do about Brexit, if he wanted power so badly and he thought that another ref would result in remain, surely he would back remain just to get in the hot seat. but i'm not sure there are as many remainers as some would like to believe.
So Sajit Javid as basically said business as usual after Brexit regarding immigration. That won't go down well with the xenophobes
A disgraceful performance from the Prime Minister today at PMQs. She's holding the country to ransom for the sake of a single achievement, which, in all probably, will completely feck over the entire country.
I understand those now who said they'd dance on Thatcher's grave.
This woman is a vile egotist.
I understand those now who said they'd dance on Thatcher's grave.
This woman is a vile egotist.
I tend to agree with you.
I don't see a GE or a referendum nor what they would do to change the current position the UK are in.
100 days to go and I listen to Uk news and read the papers and they all seem to be sleepwalking believing that some miracle is going to solve the problems they face.
EU No-Deal contingency plan
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6851_en.htm
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6851_en.htm
European Commission - Press release
Brexit: European Commission implements “no-deal” Contingency Action Plan in specific sectors
Brussels, 19 December 2018
The United Kingdom will leave the European Union in 100 days' time.
Given the continued uncertainty in the UK surrounding the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement, as agreed between the EU and the UK on 25 November 2018 – and last week's call by the European Council (Article 50) to intensify preparedness work at all levels and for all outcomes – the European Commission has today started implementing its “no deal” Contingency Action Plan. This delivers on the Commission's commitment to adopt all necessary “no deal” proposals by the end of the year, as outlined in its second preparedness Communication of 13 November 2018.
Today's package includes 14 measures in a limited number of areas where a "no-deal" scenario would create major disruption for citizens and businesses in the EU27. These areas include financial services, air transport, customs, and climate policy, amongst others.
The Commission considers it essential and urgent to adopt these measures today to ensure that the necessary contingency measures can enter into application on 30 March 2019 in order to limit the most significant damage caused by a "no-deal" scenario in these areas.
These measures will not – and cannot – mitigate the overall impact of a "no-deal" scenario, nor do they in any way compensate for the lack of stakeholder preparedness or replicate the full benefits of EU membership or the terms of any transition period, as provided for in the Withdrawal Agreement. They are limited to specific areas where it is absolutely necessary to protect the vital interests of the EU and where preparedness measures on their own are not sufficient. As a rule, they will be temporary in nature, limited in scope and adopted unilaterally by the EU. They take into account discussions with Member States and are in addition to the preparedness measures that have already been taken, as set out in the two previous preparedness Communications.
The Commission will continue to implement its Contingency Action Plan in the weeks to come and will monitor the need for additional action, as well as continue to support Member States in their preparedness work.
Putting citizens' rights first: right to stay and social security coordination
The Commission has consistently put citizens first throughout these negotiations and throughout its "no-deal" preparedness and contingency work. Today's Communication invites Member States to take a generous approach to the rights of UK citizens in the EU, provided that this approach is reciprocated by the UK.
In particular, Member States should take measures to ensure that UK citizens legally residing in the EU on the date of withdrawal will continue to be considered legal residents. Member States should adopt a pragmatic approach to granting temporary residence status. It is recalled that the Commission has already adopted a proposal for a Regulation which exempts UK nationals from visa requirements, provided that all EU citizens are equally exempt from UK visa requirements.
As regards social security coordination, the Commission considers it necessary that Member States take all possible steps to ensure legal certainty and to protect the rights acquired by EU27 citizens and UK nationals who exercised their right to free movement before 30 March 2019.
Sector-specific regulation
Financial services
After a thorough examination of the risks linked to a no deal scenario in the financial sector, the Commission has found that only a limited number of contingency measures is necessary to safeguard financial stability in the EU27.
The Commission has therefore adopted today the following acts:
The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition.
Customs and the export of goods
In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK. The Commission has today adopted the following technical measures:
EU climate policy
The Commission has today adopted the following acts in the area of EU climate legislation in order to ensure that a "no-deal" scenario does not affect the smooth functioning and the environmental integrity of the Emissions Trading System.
PEACE Programme
The Commission has today reiterated its commitment to ensuring the current programmes between the border counties of Ireland and Northern Ireland can continue in all scenarios. Given its importance, the Commission has today made a proposal for a Regulation to continue the PEACE programme in Northern Ireland until the end of 2020, in the event of a no deal scenario. As for the period after 2020, the Commission has already proposed as part of its proposals for the next Multi-annual Financial Framework to continue and strengthen cross-border support for peace and reconciliation in the border counties of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Other
The Commission has also adopted a Delegated Regulation on the listing of the UK in statistics on the balance of payments, international trade in services and foreign direct investment.
Next steps
The Commission calls on the European Parliament and the Council to ensure the adoption of the proposed legislative acts so that they are in force by 29 March 2019. The Commission also highlights to the European Parliament and the Council that it is important for delegated acts to enter into force as rapidly as possible. For Delegated Acts, the normal scrutiny period by the European Parliament and Council is, as a rule, two to three months (two months for the Delegated Regulation on summary declarations and pre-departure declarations; three months for the Delegated Regulation on the listing of the UK in EU statistics; a maximum of three months for the Delegated Regulations on certain types of contracts, including over-the-counter derivatives. For more information on the minimum timelines for adoption of such legal acts, see hereunder Annex 5. Delegated acts can enter into force earlier if the European Parliament and the Council both inform the Commission, before the end of the scrutiny period, that they will not object to the act.
Background
On 14 November 2018, the negotiators of the Commission and the United Kingdom agreed on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. On 22 November 2018, the Commission approved the completed Withdrawal Agreement. On 25 November 2018, the European Council (Article 50) endorsed the Withdrawal Agreement and invited the Commission, the European Parliament and the Council to take the necessary steps to ensure that the agreement can enter into force on 30 March 2019 to provide for an orderly withdrawal.
On 5 December 2018, the Commission adopted two proposals for Council decisions on the signature and conclusion of the Withdrawal Agreement. For the Withdrawal Agreement to enter into force the Council must now authorise the signature of the text on behalf of the Union and the European Parliament must then give its consent before being concluded by the Council. The Withdrawal Agreement will have to be ratified by the United Kingdom, in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
The ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement continues to be the objective and priority of the Commission. As emphasised in the Commission's first Brexit preparedness Communication of 19 July 2018, irrespective of the scenario envisaged, the United Kingdom's choice to leave the European Union will cause significant disruption.
Stakeholders, as well as national and EU authorities, therefore need to prepare for two possible main scenarios:
Brexit: European Commission implements “no-deal” Contingency Action Plan in specific sectors
Brussels, 19 December 2018
The United Kingdom will leave the European Union in 100 days' time.
Given the continued uncertainty in the UK surrounding the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement, as agreed between the EU and the UK on 25 November 2018 – and last week's call by the European Council (Article 50) to intensify preparedness work at all levels and for all outcomes – the European Commission has today started implementing its “no deal” Contingency Action Plan. This delivers on the Commission's commitment to adopt all necessary “no deal” proposals by the end of the year, as outlined in its second preparedness Communication of 13 November 2018.
Today's package includes 14 measures in a limited number of areas where a "no-deal" scenario would create major disruption for citizens and businesses in the EU27. These areas include financial services, air transport, customs, and climate policy, amongst others.
The Commission considers it essential and urgent to adopt these measures today to ensure that the necessary contingency measures can enter into application on 30 March 2019 in order to limit the most significant damage caused by a "no-deal" scenario in these areas.
These measures will not – and cannot – mitigate the overall impact of a "no-deal" scenario, nor do they in any way compensate for the lack of stakeholder preparedness or replicate the full benefits of EU membership or the terms of any transition period, as provided for in the Withdrawal Agreement. They are limited to specific areas where it is absolutely necessary to protect the vital interests of the EU and where preparedness measures on their own are not sufficient. As a rule, they will be temporary in nature, limited in scope and adopted unilaterally by the EU. They take into account discussions with Member States and are in addition to the preparedness measures that have already been taken, as set out in the two previous preparedness Communications.
The Commission will continue to implement its Contingency Action Plan in the weeks to come and will monitor the need for additional action, as well as continue to support Member States in their preparedness work.
Putting citizens' rights first: right to stay and social security coordination
The Commission has consistently put citizens first throughout these negotiations and throughout its "no-deal" preparedness and contingency work. Today's Communication invites Member States to take a generous approach to the rights of UK citizens in the EU, provided that this approach is reciprocated by the UK.
In particular, Member States should take measures to ensure that UK citizens legally residing in the EU on the date of withdrawal will continue to be considered legal residents. Member States should adopt a pragmatic approach to granting temporary residence status. It is recalled that the Commission has already adopted a proposal for a Regulation which exempts UK nationals from visa requirements, provided that all EU citizens are equally exempt from UK visa requirements.
As regards social security coordination, the Commission considers it necessary that Member States take all possible steps to ensure legal certainty and to protect the rights acquired by EU27 citizens and UK nationals who exercised their right to free movement before 30 March 2019.
Sector-specific regulation
Financial services
After a thorough examination of the risks linked to a no deal scenario in the financial sector, the Commission has found that only a limited number of contingency measures is necessary to safeguard financial stability in the EU27.
The Commission has therefore adopted today the following acts:
- A temporary and conditional equivalence decision for a fixed, limited period of 12 months to ensure that there will be no immediate disruption in the central clearing of derivatives.
- A temporary and conditional equivalence decision for a fixed, limited period of 24 months to ensure that there will be no disruption in central depositaries services for EU operators currently using UK operators.
- Two Delegated Regulations facilitating novation, for a fixed period of 12 months, of certain over-the-counter derivatives contracts, where a contract is transferred from a UK to an EU27 counterparty.
The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition.
- A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU.
- A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences.
Customs and the export of goods
In a no deal scenario, all relevant EU legislation on the importation and exportation of goods will apply to goods moving between the EU and the UK. The Commission has today adopted the following technical measures:
- A Delegated Regulation to include the seas surrounding the UK in the provisions on time-limits within which entry summary declarations and pre-departure declarations have to be lodged prior to leaving or entering the Union's customs territory.
- A proposal for a Regulation to add the UK to the list of countries for which a general authorisation to export dual use items is valid throughout the EU.
EU climate policy
The Commission has today adopted the following acts in the area of EU climate legislation in order to ensure that a "no-deal" scenario does not affect the smooth functioning and the environmental integrity of the Emissions Trading System.
- A Commission Decision to suspend temporarily for the UK the free allocation of emissions allowances, auctioning, and the exchange of international credits with effect from 1 January 2019.
- An Implementing Decision to allow an appropriate annual quota allocation to UK companies for accessing the EU27 market (until 31 December 2020).
- An Implementing Regulation to ensure that the reporting by companies differentiates between the EU market and the UK market to allow a correct allocation of quotas in the future.
PEACE Programme
The Commission has today reiterated its commitment to ensuring the current programmes between the border counties of Ireland and Northern Ireland can continue in all scenarios. Given its importance, the Commission has today made a proposal for a Regulation to continue the PEACE programme in Northern Ireland until the end of 2020, in the event of a no deal scenario. As for the period after 2020, the Commission has already proposed as part of its proposals for the next Multi-annual Financial Framework to continue and strengthen cross-border support for peace and reconciliation in the border counties of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Other
The Commission has also adopted a Delegated Regulation on the listing of the UK in statistics on the balance of payments, international trade in services and foreign direct investment.
Next steps
The Commission calls on the European Parliament and the Council to ensure the adoption of the proposed legislative acts so that they are in force by 29 March 2019. The Commission also highlights to the European Parliament and the Council that it is important for delegated acts to enter into force as rapidly as possible. For Delegated Acts, the normal scrutiny period by the European Parliament and Council is, as a rule, two to three months (two months for the Delegated Regulation on summary declarations and pre-departure declarations; three months for the Delegated Regulation on the listing of the UK in EU statistics; a maximum of three months for the Delegated Regulations on certain types of contracts, including over-the-counter derivatives. For more information on the minimum timelines for adoption of such legal acts, see hereunder Annex 5. Delegated acts can enter into force earlier if the European Parliament and the Council both inform the Commission, before the end of the scrutiny period, that they will not object to the act.
Background
On 14 November 2018, the negotiators of the Commission and the United Kingdom agreed on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. On 22 November 2018, the Commission approved the completed Withdrawal Agreement. On 25 November 2018, the European Council (Article 50) endorsed the Withdrawal Agreement and invited the Commission, the European Parliament and the Council to take the necessary steps to ensure that the agreement can enter into force on 30 March 2019 to provide for an orderly withdrawal.
On 5 December 2018, the Commission adopted two proposals for Council decisions on the signature and conclusion of the Withdrawal Agreement. For the Withdrawal Agreement to enter into force the Council must now authorise the signature of the text on behalf of the Union and the European Parliament must then give its consent before being concluded by the Council. The Withdrawal Agreement will have to be ratified by the United Kingdom, in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
The ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement continues to be the objective and priority of the Commission. As emphasised in the Commission's first Brexit preparedness Communication of 19 July 2018, irrespective of the scenario envisaged, the United Kingdom's choice to leave the European Union will cause significant disruption.
Stakeholders, as well as national and EU authorities, therefore need to prepare for two possible main scenarios:
- If the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified before 30 March 2019, EU law will cease to apply to and in the UK on 1 January 2021, i.e. after a transition period of 21 months.
- If the Withdrawal Agreement is not ratified before 30 March 2019, there will be no transition period and EU law will cease to apply to and in the UK as of 30 March 2019. This is referred to as the "no deal" or "cliff-edge" scenario.
There isn't really a lot they can say I guess until that vote on the 'Deal' takes place. Only way to stop all this inaction is to have the vote and react on whatever the outcome is.
Yes but if the vote goes through then everything carries on as per the agreement assuming it later gets ratified etc. So no referendum or GE.
If it doesn't people are expecting a GE or referendum to solve the problem which I don't really see how they do.
The outrage over Corbyn
The reaction to Corbyn is amazing... ffs the govt have done feck all on Brexit, there’s chaos on the horizon as we head towards No-Deal, but let’s focus on something 1 person may have said. cnuts.
Just saying what everyone is thinking.The outrage over Corbyn
Yeah of courseJust saying what everyone is thinking.
I’ve watched the video and I’m not convinced he even said ‘woman’