And time is the most crucial of all in the sense of avoiding delays at all costs.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
None of which is on their side given their preparations (to state the obvious).
I'm mostly replying actually because I realized I forgot to finish my earlier post. I meant to add that, given those problems, that freight traffic is down a lot, and that a good chunk of rules have delayed until July by the UK, the expectation of logistics experts interviewed in the article I read is that what we're seeing right now is actually the quiet before the storm. They expect things to get much worse come summer (which is likely too soon for the UK to fix their practical issues).
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I was being pedantic here. It's possible but no one wants to pay the cost because it's incredibly dumb when you can just be in a custom union which is why custom unions were invented. The alternative is a waste of money and space.
If traffic was normal pre-Covid and certain requirements weren't postponed, all the ports would be at a standstill .
I still don't think the point is really understood. Requirements in documentation have at least doubled in the last twenty years for third party trade, health, safety and climate leading this. Certain products like food require even more than most. So from just supplying an invoice and a packing list they have to supply dozens of documents and relying on many different people such as vets, inspectors, logistic people and so on to complete them all and complete them correctly is almost impossible if the time frame is to deliver something within a day or days.
If you're shipping something to the USA for example which takes several weeks you have less pressure on the timescale.
Another Dutch article I read a week ago interview people from the Dutch food inspection agency. They mentioned that, in something like the first two weeks of January (it may have been 16 or 20 days, but anyway), zero (zero!) shipments had arrived in the Netherlands without any documentation issues. This may have been only lorries coming through ferries, I'm not 100% sure, but it remains shocking one way or another.
It's amazing how that point didn't seem obvious to the UK. What were the no-deal people thinking? (Well, full freedom of decision over practicalities, I guess.)
UK Traders who have experience in trading with countries outside the EU would know what to do in general but whether they would have time to do it, very difficult . Considering that a lot of companies who only traded within the EU have no experience at all.
If a Uk company is trading with someone in the EU then it would more than likely be by truck on a ferry/channel tunnel. They would only use containerships for non-urgent or long distance trade.
Regulations also change all the time and never get easier.
Although when the referendum happened I guessed the UK would leave but hoped that common sense would prevail.
Nearly five years later it is clear that nearly all Brexiters still have little to no idea how trade works - how could they place such an important decision in the hands of ordinary people who you couldn't expect to understand the issues, why would they know .
The people in UK customs do understand and it's all written in the UK border model:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-border-operating-model
UK isn't putting a proper border up until July essentially. The problem is maybe the government don't understand or aren't listening.
Things like phytosanitary certificates are a big problem because the UK and EU don't have enough vets to deal with the volume of trade in fresh foods and you can't scale Vets up very fast....
Switzerland doesn't have these problems because there are bi-lateral agreements so standards are dual recognised for phytosanitary etc.
No idea why UK / EU aren't seemingly trying to come to similar agreements to smooth the flow of trade. The trade deal as written is a mutual economic suicide pact. UK and EU both lose out in economic terms. All I can think is that no one wants to "lose face" and do something about it until the problems crystallise.
If I remember correctly when the point was raised, some talked about a new technology, a lack of will from the EU and that the EU would make a custom agreement on the UK's terms due to German car manufacturers, Italian Prosecco producers and french farmers.
You mean that the EU and Switzerland have a joint veterinary committee. They don't just recognize standards.
Yes as part of the agreement, no reason the UK / EU don't ultimately have similar arrangements.
No idea how either side expects trade to work in these kinds of products to work medium term without a similar agreement due to the complications with certificates, amount of Vets and the sheer paper load of it.
There is an obvious reason that you know perfectly, it's the same reason why they left the EUCU and left the EEA.
Past experience of UK customs does not assure me that they have much clue of what they're doing, plus they are very understaffed. But that's by the by.
The government are clueless, whether they care is doubtful.
The EU knew what would happen, Barnier, the poor sod, has been trying to explain to the various numpties the UK government sent over.
There are phytosanitary certificates and veterinary certificates amongst many others. There just isn't the time to do them.
Switzerland is a much smaller country but is in the EEA and free movement is allowed. The UK left all this behind.
The UK are treated the same as any other third party country, the UK voted to be a third party country to leave the CU the EEA and the single market. People who knew what they were talking about warned of this before the referendum, few listened.
The UK aren't putting up a proper border because they are totally unprepared but if traffic gets back to normal it is going to be horrendous. They will never be prepared enough even with an efficient border and customs and everything in place.
In the rest of the EU, business is going on as normal , subject to Covid problems, it's only the trade with the Uk that is disrupted.
In January I did about 800km of motorway driving, saw thousands of trucks from all over Europe, one was from Ireland and none from the UK, crazy.
Quite remarkable but also predictable that the brexit deal is already unraveling. Now, tories are calling for the NI protocol to be scrapped.
We will be talking about Brexit for years and years.
We will be talking about Brexit for years and years.
Sounds more like the DUP, the Tories want to extend a transition period of two years of the protocol.
So far between the Tories and the DUP they have threatened to invoke A16 of the NI protocol at least 5 times not counting of course the threat to break international law on numerous ocasions last year but were up in arms of the threat to invoke A16 of the protocol by the EU.
Add to that the chance of having a two year transition period to iron out some of the problems but no the Tories only wanted 11 months.
The hypocrisy is palpable.
As you say it is all so predictable.
What about Martinique (Lesser Antilles), isn't that a French Overseas Region?
And Guadeloupe , there are plenty more , Guyane actually has a land border with the Americas.
"They seek them here , they seek them there, those dammed Frenches are everywhere!!!"
You would think France would be better off outside the EU, since much of it seems to be no where near Europe?
The DUP have to be amongst the most idiotic, mental goons going, which makes the Tories even more idiotic for ever getting into bed with the feckers.
Ah but you can see how we can grow our own straight bananas within the EU."They seek them here , they seek them there, those dammed Frenches are everywhere!!!"
You would think France would be better off outside the EU, since much of it seems to be no where near Europe?
Precisely. Just goes to show the breadth or lack of it of their knowledge of the countries of the EU.
Germany must mean cars. Despite the fact that they are manufacturers of a very wide range of excellent products.
Same for Italy, France and all the rest.
The lack of knowledge coupled with the lack of will to understand is legendary. And quite embarrassing to be honest. But that is not going to change any time soon...
Just more teething troubles. Is this the Brexit dividend they were talking about?
Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55887043
Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55887043
It's good for the paper industry. I mean, I hope everything is digital, but you never know.
Brexit is great for the trees
The rules haven't changed since the referendum, as soon as the Uk voted to leave they should have started preparing , on the other hand if they had bothered to check what was involved prior to the referendum it is highly unlikely they would have voted for Brexit.
Not teething troubles, welcome to the real world.
isnt this remarkably similar to the stories of EU waste that boris johnson used to file as a reporter?
How many pages required for goods from eu to uk?
Who knows, don't think they're ready yet, does anyone know what the UK regulations are, they haven't got the inspection facilities in place. The only thing I've seen is that they've asked overseas companies to register in the UK for VAT (!?) and bring a bond - don't think they know what they're doing . Imagine the uproar if the EU asked UK companies to do the same.
Otherwise I'm assuming they continue to follow EU regulations, for the time being.
The amount of documents to the EU depends on the products you are shipping and how many different consignees there are. I've no experience of transporting fish or animals or fresh food but say you've got 200 pallets each destined for 200 different customers on one truck, if you require 71 documents per consignee you may have to have 71x 200.
Of course each country (outside the EU) have different regulations although it is unlikely that a fresh fish exporter would export outside the EU as the stench of rotting fish would be overpowering by the time it reached Australia
Ps I do have experience of exporting other products to Australia and their documentation requirements are much more severe than the EU.
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Is that quote serious?
I mean different rules whether you are in and out of the EU. That's kind of the point of the EU. Common rules for everybody within.
Different rules for other countries. Great for the UK, since they can make their own rules, fair enough. That's what Boris signed up for for. Exactly for that.
Bump for Brexit!
Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641
Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641
Understatement of the century from that article:
He said: "I actually think it was not properly thought out."
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I thought she had gone away forever, unfortunately not.
Always laugh when people say "we were lied to".
No, you chose to believe the lie. You were looking for fairy tales.
No, you chose to believe the lie. You were looking for fairy tales.
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"we should have been told the truth"
Yeah, that's why they lied. Yet, people will still vote for these people at the next election.
This would have been unthinkable a few years ago.
https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-59e8-437e-8f63-f629a5b7d0aa
Completely agree with you and it is a very sad reflection that one of the UK major strengths is being affected so quickly.
Worse still is that almost no one seems to be concerned.
We are very quickly taking back control of 2 tenths of bugger all.
Three cheers for Boris.
Oh dear.
It's unlike a Tory to lie after all, right?
I'd say Brexit might open the eyes of the general public to the Tories but unfortunately they'll just keep voting for these charlatans time and time again.
They'll forget about it in 3 years time and vote Tory again because Keir Starmer doesn't like roast potatoes or something.
Loss of jobs and tax revenue was always my biggest fear and the main reason I voted remain. It's a pity so many remainers went on about empire and spitfires and hilarious coloured passports and how stupid northerners and old people are, the vote was there to be won but we fecked it.