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[Full bodied red]

Food Standards Dropping After Brexit

Chlorinated chicken anyone.

Chlorinated lettuce, anyone.

Been happening for years and who knew ??

https://www.healthyfood.com/ask-the-experts/lettuce-and-chlorine/

I had some lettuce in the UK last month.

Who do I complain to and, more importantly, sue because nobody's been posting warnings about it like they've been moaning about the chlorinated chicken ?

 

[Kentonio]

Chlorinated lettuce, anyone.

Been happening for years and who knew ??

https://www.healthyfood.com/ask-the-experts/lettuce-and-chlorine/

I had some lettuce in the UK last month.

Who do I complain to and, more importantly, sue because nobody's been posting warnings about it like they've been moaning about the chlorinated chicken ?

The use of chlorine with chicken is bad because it goes hand in hand in the US with much lower sanitary conditions. They basically act like sanitation isn't important because they're going to be washing that shit in chlorine anyway. Strangely enough meat carries with it a number of concerns that lettuce does not.

 

[Full bodied red]

The use of chlorine with chicken is bad because it goes hand in hand in the US with much lower sanitary conditions. They basically act like sanitation isn't important because they're going to be washing that shit in chlorine anyway. Strangely enough meat carries with it a number of concerns that lettuce does not.

Sorry but couldn't resist it.

On the other hand, 300 million Americans don't seem to be as bothered about chlorinated chicken as the Remoaners in the UK who just spew it out bot-like whenever Brexit is being bitched about.

Or do we have evidence that chlorinated chicken is the reason US politicians seem to be ' different ' ??

 

[Kentonio]

Sorry but couldn't resist it.

On the other hand, 300 million Americans don't seem to be as bothered about chlorinated chicken as the Remoaners in the UK who just spew it out bot-like whenever Brexit is being bitched about.

Or do we have evidence that chlorinated chicken is the reason US politicians seem to be ' different ' ??

Food poisoning cases in the UK doubled to over 2m a year since 2009. That's roughly 1 in 30 people having food poisoning each year. You know what the rate is in the US? 48 million people, or roughly 1 in 6.

Want to guess what the main cause of food poisoning is?

 

[Full bodied red]

Food poisoning cases in the UK doubled to over 2m a year since 2009. That's roughly 1 in 30 people having food poisoning each year. You know what the rate is in the US? 48 million people, or roughly 1 in 6.

Want to guess what the main cause of food poisoning is?

I worked / lived in the US and Canada on and off for a couple of years in the late 1990s.

Assuming that there's been no reduction in their usage since then, based on what I saw and did myself, I'd hazard a guess that the main reason for the US stats you're quoting is the ridiculous amount of takeaway ' fast food ' that people in the US eat each day / each week / each month / each year....

But it's not all chicken that's sold / served / eaten or are you suggesting that the cases of food poisoning are all due to the chicken ?

And I'd say exectly the same for the UK stats. Since 2009, there's probably been a threefold or fourfold increase in the number and usage of takeaway food shops in the UK.

In particular, it always seems to me whenever I visit the UK the this growth is in the poorer areas of towns and cities. And I'm not suggesting there's a correlation between poverty and food poisonong, but there's almost certainly a correlation between the number of takaways and the lower incomes of the areas' residents.

But again, it's not all chicken that's sold / served / eaten.

 

[Kentonio]

I worked / lived in the US and Canada on and off for a couple of years in the late 1990s.

Assuming that there's been no reduction in their usage since then, based on what I saw and did myself, I'd hazard a guess that the main reason for the US stats you're quoting is the ridiculous amount of takeaway ' fast food ' that people in the US eat each day / each week / each month / each year....

But it's not all chicken that's sold / served / eaten or are you suggesting that the cases of food poisoning are all due to the chicken ?

And I'd say exectly the same for the UK stats. Since 2009, there's probably been a threefold or fourfold increase in the number and usage of takeaway food shops in the UK.

In particular, it always seems to me whenever I visit the UK the this growth is in the poorer areas of towns and cities. And I'm not suggesting there's a correlation between poverty and food poisonong, but there's almost certainly a correlation between the number of takaways and the lower incomes of the areas' residents.

But again, it's not all chicken that's sold / served / eaten.

It's not all chicken, but poultry and dairy products are by far the main cause of food poisoning. There's a reason why people are not impressed with the idea of taking on US food standards. The EU standards are much, much higher.

 

[Adisa]

Food Standards Dropping After Brexit

Chlorinated chicken anyone.

Next will be NHS collective bargaining.

 

[Kentonio]

Next will be NHS collective bargaining.

Anyone who believed the Tories when they said the NHS wouldn't be up for sale in US talks was a fecking idiot.

 

[Full bodied red]

It's not all chicken, but poultry and dairy products are by far the main cause of food poisoning. There's a reason why people are not impressed with the idea of taking on US food standards. The EU standards are much, much higher.

In farming, food production and restauration, I'll suggest that depends on which countries inside the EU you're using as examples.

Don't know about the UK, but here in the land of wine and cheese the only food from Eastern Europe which is sold in the large retailers and popular restaurants are Polish mushrooms and Greek cheeses. Sure, there are foods from Eastern Europe which are sold in specialised food stores for those countries' nationals, but in general no meat, no fish, and no dairy products seem to make it on to the shelves

Want to guess why that would be ??

 

[Kentonio]

In farming, food production and restauration, I'll suggest that depends on which countries inside the EU you're using as examples.

Don't know about the UK, but here in the land of wine and cheese the only food from Eastern Europe which is sold in the large retailers and popular restaurants are Polish mushrooms and Greek cheeses. Sure, there are foods from Eastern Europe which are sold in specialised food stores for those countries' nationals, but in general no meat, no fish, and no dairy products seem to make it on to the shelves

Want to guess why that would be ??

I also live in France, but to be honest I don't go around looking for eastern european products so I've no idea how widespread they are. Food production all falls under EU standards though, so I don't know why you assume some EU countries would have lower standards. I also don't know how you can feel so sure the meat and poultry here in France isn't sourced from there.

 

[Full bodied red]

I also live in France, but to be honest I don't go around looking for eastern european products so I've no idea how widespread they are. Food production all falls under EU standards though, so I don't know why you assume some EU countries would have lower standards. I also don't know how you can feel so sure the meat and poultry here in France isn't sourced from there.

Then you'll have noticed that all meat products sold in retailers and served in restaurants here have to show, by law, the country of origin either on the packaging or on the menu in restaurants. Edited to add that this was introduced following the BSE fiasco and was to protect consumers from eating meat from countries where BSE had been found.

And fish sold in retailers have to show the Latin name for the species ( God knows why ) and where the fish were caught or farmed, but this isn't the case in restaurants.

You ask why.....I'll suggest that hygeine standards in agriculture and food production is lower in all ( not just EU ) countries where lower economic levels don't permit the same depth, quality and frequency of regulatory inspection and, for non-EU countries, aren't always to EU regulatory standards.

In particular, let us know where and when you see any meat or fish or dairy products in Carrefour, LeClerc, Casino, Geant, etc, that say the source or origin is any of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Malta or Cyprus. You will, however ,see other products which are marked as ' Product manufactured in the EU ' from time to time - cigarettes in particular.

Which is all strange when you consider that production costs in those countries, whether cars or chicken, is so much lower and why Poland is now the world's largest exporter of cigarettes.

 

[Kentonio]

Then you'll have noticed that all meat products sold in retailers and served in restaurants here have to show, by law, the country of origin either on the packaging or on the menu in restaurants.

Nope never noticed that. Have you considered getting out more?

 

[africanspur]

Communist?

Think you've missed the point again.
Yes we all know they are continuation of EU agreements. And I haven't said any of the rest you said. I said they haven't negotiated any deals yet other than continuity copy and paste agreements which were signed whilst as a member of the EU ie not during the transition period and or in relation to the WA.
What I said was I wanted to know how they managed to do so and maybe some legal expert can advise.

I get the message, don't criticise the UK government.

No, not communist. Labour or Greens. For someone as right leaning as you, I assume that does make me a card carrying communist though.

Yeah, that's definitely the message. Don't criticise the UK government. And definitely something I've never done, in real life or on this board.

Look Paul, especially right now, I have neither the time nor the energy to argue about this with you, especially considering how often you seem to miss the point and how completely and utterly sure you seem to be about every single thing you say.

I know the older you get the more stubborn you tend to get but it may be worth reflecting on how you're coming across when you're getting into these kinds of debates and eliciting these kinds of responses from multiple different people, who theoretically have the exact same viewpoint on this matter as you. Or not. Up to you I guess.

Stay safe in the current climate.

 

[africanspur]

Whats the deal with panic buying bog rolls in some countries? I havent seen shortages of anything in NL. I guess we give less of a feck.

Europeans should stop being so disgusting and start washing their asses with water anyway, like people in Japan and the Middle East do.

Then you wouldn't have to hoard so much toilet paper in the first place.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

No, not communist. Labour or Greens. For someone as right leaning as you, I assume that does make me a card carrying communist though.

Yeah, that's definitely the message. Don't criticise the UK government. And definitely something I've never done, in real life or on this board.

Look Paul, especially right now, I have neither the time nor the energy to argue about this with you, especially considering how often you seem to miss the point and how completely and utterly sure you seem to be about every single thing you say.

I know the older you get the more stubborn you tend to get but it may be worth reflecting on how you're coming across when you're getting into these kinds of debates and eliciting these kinds of responses from multiple different people, who theoretically have the exact same viewpoint on this matter as you. Or not. Up to you I guess.

Stay safe in the current climate.

You said I voted left of the Labour Party - your exact words "Thankfully, unlike you Paul, I've never even thought to give any party left of the Labour party my vote " and then you accuse me of "as right leaning as you". You'll have to make up your mind which one it is but then again neither are true.

Sarcasm doesn't always come over well on here.

One thing is certain, that no-one so far has managed to convince me otherwise that were only two reasons for people voting Brexit and I think I've made clear what they are.
Our interpretations of xenophobia and stupidity may differ. I haven't accused you of anything though. By the way I never miss the point. You'll see I was right in the end.

You stay safe too.

 

[Sweet Square]

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D'oh!

 

[sun_tzu]

Chlorinated lettuce, anyone.

Been happening for years and who knew ??

https://www.healthyfood.com/ask-the-experts/lettuce-and-chlorine/

I had some lettuce in the UK last month.

Who do I complain to and, more importantly, sue because nobody's been posting warnings about it like they've been moaning about the chlorinated chicken ?

Thought it was common knowledge chlorine was of vegetables was allowed and is pretty standard

The reason the EU don't like the chlorine wash of chicken is that it's so effective they think it would allow abbatoirs etc to effectively reduce standards in other areas

 

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[Jippy]

This released just now hints that neither side wants to extend.

Joint statement by UK and EU negotiators following the videoconference on 15 April 2020

Joint statement following David Frost and Michel Barnier's statement via videoconference.

David Frost, the UK’s Chief Negotiator, and Michel Barnier, the European Commission’s Chief Negotiator held a constructive meeting today via videoconference.
The two sides took stock of the technical work that has taken place since the first negotiating round on the basis of the legal texts exchanged by both sides.

While this work has been useful to identify all major areas of divergence and convergence, the two sides agreed on the need to organise further negotiating rounds in order to make real, tangible progress in the negotiations by June.

Given the ongoing coronavirus crisis, these negotiating rounds – the structure of which is set out in the Terms of Reference – will take place via videoconference. The following dates have been agreed for negotiating rounds lasting a full week:

• w/c 20 April
• w/c 11 May
• w/c 1 June

Agendas for all rounds will be published online in due course. The High Level meeting foreseen for June will take stock of the progress made.

Mr. Frost and Mr Barnier also discussed the implementation of the Withdrawal Agreement. They welcomed the fact that a first meeting of the Joint Committee had taken place between Michael Gove and Maroš Šefčovič on 30 March and they looked forward to its next meeting. They agreed that the proper and timely implementation of the Withdrawal Agreement was a key priority for both sides and noted that the Specialised Committees provided for by the Agreement, including on the Protocol on Ireland / Northern Ireland and on citizens’ rights, would meet soon.

 

[FireballXL5]

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No sign of Tommy Robinson and his pals volunteering then? Shocked.

 

[Smores]

This released just now hints that neither side wants to extend.

Joint statement by UK and EU negotiators following the videoconference on 15 April 2020

Joint statement following David Frost and Michel Barnier's statement via videoconference.

David Frost, the UK’s Chief Negotiator, and Michel Barnier, the European Commission’s Chief Negotiator held a constructive meeting today via videoconference.
The two sides took stock of the technical work that has taken place since the first negotiating round on the basis of the legal texts exchanged by both sides.

While this work has been useful to identify all major areas of divergence and convergence, the two sides agreed on the need to organise further negotiating rounds in order to make real, tangible progress in the negotiations by June.

Given the ongoing coronavirus crisis, these negotiating rounds – the structure of which is set out in the Terms of Reference – will take place via videoconference. The following dates have been agreed for negotiating rounds lasting a full week:

• w/c 20 April
• w/c 11 May
• w/c 1 June

Agendas for all rounds will be published online in due course. The High Level meeting foreseen for June will take stock of the progress made.

Mr. Frost and Mr Barnier also discussed the implementation of the Withdrawal Agreement. They welcomed the fact that a first meeting of the Joint Committee had taken place between Michael Gove and Maroš Šefčovič on 30 March and they looked forward to its next meeting. They agreed that the proper and timely implementation of the Withdrawal Agreement was a key priority for both sides and noted that the Specialised Committees provided for by the Agreement, including on the Protocol on Ireland / Northern Ireland and on citizens’ rights, would meet soon.

They probably don't want to but i can't see a way around it. I'm expecting some new arrangement that isn't but definitely is an extension.

 

[Jippy]

Surely even the diehard Brexiters are not that stupid that they will want to force through a no deal Brexit into the eyes of the biggest recession since WWII regardless...
Or they will in a jingoistic war analogy frenzy

 

[Drifter]

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So much for the points based immigration system.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Surely even the diehard Brexiters are not that stupid that they will want to force through a no deal Brexit into the eyes of the biggest recession since WWII regardless...

oh Jipper, you jokester.

 

[Jippy]

oh Jipper, you jokester.

You deleted my white text you bastard!

 

[Mr Pigeon]

You deleted my white text you bastard!

I bet you wouldn't say that to my face you Euroseptic Torygraph columnist I know where you live 123 Fake street I saw the address in the just eat receipt from that time you ordered three large pizzas from dominos and pretended to ask your "mates" in the background during the call so it would sound like you weren't alone and just buying all the food for your fat bastard self.

 

[Rams]

Nice to see East Europeans being flown in to the UK to harvest the fruit whilst theirs currently 3M unemployed in the UK..

 

[golden_blunder]

Was wondering, will trade deals after brexit has been ‘done’ be harder or easier post Covid-19?

 

[VP89]

Was wondering, will trade deals after brexit has been ‘done’ be harder or easier post Covid-19?

I'd punt easier negotiations for us. EU have nothing to gain by making trade difficult anymore. They need everything working smoothly and so do we post covid.

 

[golden_blunder]

I'd punt easier negotiations for us. EU have nothing to gain by making trade difficult anymore. They need everything working smoothly and so do we post covid.

But on the flip side you could argue (presumably with the economy tanked) the government may be inclined to be a bit less aggressive

 

[VP89]

But on the flip side you could argue (presumably with the economy tanked) the government may be inclined to be a bit less aggressive

Sure, both would likely bode for a flexible negotiation process as they don't want to feck around and risk worsening each other further. In my opinion Brexit was mostly political from Borris in the first place, so he wouldn't much mind a less aggressive approach so long as he can spin it to the public as a win. That's just my 2 cents anyway, who knows..

 

[Berbasbullet]

Regardless with or without Covid, us getting this done and dusted by December seems unrealistic.

 

[Shakesy]

This has probably been addressed in this thread countless of times, but is there someone who might tell me whether Brexit is now even more despised by the public during the pandemic? Would one want to be part of the EU in these times, or is it better to stand alone (like so many other countries).

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Would one want to be part of the EU in these times, or is it better to stand alone (like so many other countries).

You certainly don't want to be part of the euro. The EU itself has been entirely useless in this crisis, but at least this crisis wasn't of it's own making like the others. When the EC finally decided to act in this crisis, the first thing was to give member state's millions to Ukraine, Moldavia and Morocco. And now there's another power grab in motion, through money of course and with hypocrite emotional blackmail.

 

[sun_tzu]

Regardless with or without Covid, us getting this done and dusted by December seems unrealistic.

I disagree actually
I agree that before Covid-19 it seemed pretty much impossible to get it done by Xmas and that was going to be a very difficult political blame game which I think would have most likely resulted in an extension of some sort
Now... well actually its Covid 19 that caused the problems but it takes away the blame
Politically the brexiteer arm of the UK Government which is now basically most of the UK Government has an option that yes a hard brexit on top of Covid might cause some additional economic uncertainty but if there is a recovery (be that gradual or rapid) next year which seems likley after such an immediate economic shock as caused by CV-19 then you get to spin the recovery as being part of the hard brexit mantra - politically it lets you dodge the negative economic repercussion of a hard brexit (it was covid ... its a world wide recession) but claim the recovery - as well as additional political and economic freedoms to introduce tax havens and try and bring in external investment (also probably slash workers and environmental rights as well I guess)
I think it gives the people who wanted a hard brexit the political cover to do it so I think its more likely and quite realistic that that element of things is sorted by december ( though of course that simply starts another phase of what a future trading deal might look like)

 

[sun_tzu]

Was wondering, will trade deals after brexit has been ‘done’ be harder or easier post Covid-19?

probably harder I would imagine
most countries are likely to see res session and focus internally on tax collection and job creation and that would indicate a propensity to protectionist policies

 

[golden_blunder]

I disagree actually
I agree that before Covid-19 it seemed pretty much impossible to get it done by Xmas and that was going to be a very difficult political blame game which I think would have most likely resulted in an extension of some sort
Now... well actually its Covid 19 that caused the problems but it takes away the blame
Politically the brexiteer arm of the UK Government which is now basically most of the UK Government has an option that yes a hard brexit on top of Covid might cause some additional economic uncertainty but if there is a recovery (be that gradual or rapid) next year which seems likley after such an immediate economic shock as caused by CV-19 then you get to spin the recovery as being part of the hard brexit mantra - politically it lets you dodge the negative economic repercussion of a hard brexit (it was covid ... its a world wide recession) but claim the recovery - as well as additional political and economic freedoms to introduce tax havens and try and bring in external investment (also probably slash workers and environmental rights as well I guess)
I think it gives the people who wanted a hard brexit the political cover to do it so I think its more likely and quite realistic that that element of things is sorted by december ( though of course that simply starts another phase of what a future trading deal might look like)

Well that’s depressing

 

[sun_tzu]

Well that’s depressing

Brexit has become almost fanatical (and I'm a firm remainiac so as bad the other way) - But people will look for reasons that CV-19 backs their opinion rather than allowing it to challenge it
With such a big majority brexiteers gonna brexit hard... i still blame corbyn obviously

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Brexit has become almost fanatical (and I'm a firm remainiac so as bad the other way) - But people will look for reasons that CV-19 backs their opinion rather than allowing it to challenge it
With such a big majority brexiteers gonna brexit hard... i still blame corbyn obviously

At least you said Corbyn and not Jezbollah. Maybe you're recovering a little.

 

[sun_tzu]

At least you said Corbyn and not Jezbollah. Maybe you're recovering a little.

Im saving it up for the EHRC report...