British Core

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  1. Jul 3, 2019

    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    We are linked with striker, Ben Yedder and reports that he will be signed if Lukaku leaves.

    Also like I said, having players for the sake of it is bad, which is what we have now. Previously we had players who were very good, now we have average players.
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    Hammondo New Member

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    You do not know any of this. How do you know Klopp and Mou want him?
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    RedorDead21 Full Member

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    If we can't afford to tank it then the club has to get it right. Pretty sure this guy is one of the best names they could come up with within this price bracket. Perhaps not the best but none of them would come here! The club should know after several failed CB signings the importance of changing that tide. Agree on Jones I would have moved him on long ago and perhaps that may happen this summer if anyone was crazy enough to try.
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    RedorDead21 Full Member

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    Mou was linked to him pretty widely and under his tenure we didnt exactly act covertly on transfers. I don't know but I'd wager he was. He's the obvious choice for some time now! He'd walk into Liverpool's defence.
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    ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg Full Member

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    If be pretty happy to have Steve Bruce Mk2 (if that’s what your calling him - even though he’s been to a WC, a first team International and Bruce never won a cap [even though he did deserve to]) in the team, and leading us to a PL and FA Cup double!

    We don’t need to accommodate Maguire - he’s a player who can slot straight in.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    That squad would win irrespective of whether Bruce was in it or not. Actually I think he was one of the weakest links in it.
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    R'hllor Full Member

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    Domestic, foreign. does it even matter really in our situation.
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    bond19821982 Full Member

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    Maguire is the best english CB now and is a captain material. Longstaff looks to be a smart signing which is also fine.AWB was the best FB last year .

    Sancho would be brilliant too. So nothing wrong in targetting the best talents from EPL. You will end up paying a premium but will be worth it in the long run.

    The last player english player we signed was Shaw and he was one of the best that year. So its not like we are spending huge money on dross.
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    Harry190 Full Member

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    Neither true nor very smart. Non-Brits will tell you just as much, regardless of creed.
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    Hammondo New Member

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    Linked me meaningless.
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    RedorDead21 Full Member

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    well we bought far worse CBs under Mou regardless. Being linked with this guy would have been an improvement on its own.
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    johanovic Full Member

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    Is buying British perhaps also smart because of Brexit? Will that not have a huge effect on the PL?
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    Bear in mind, Gary Neville was one heck of a water carrier.
    Ole would donate his left nut, for a few players of Neville's quality.
    The likes of our current squad are so dire, none of them would get into the starting XI of the 1999 (important) games. In particular our attackers right now are so poor, none of them would make the bench. None of them.
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    I agree with you. The problem is that we have signed a player from the Championship, who I've not seen play, but can't imagine is good enough to play for MUFC (yet). Bissaka should go straight into our first team, though.
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    Hammondo New Member

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    I think he's turning out like the rest.
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    Apart from the fact he scored nearly 20 goals and was an inspiring leader, which is something you can see lacking right now. He marshalled the defence like a true captain but what did Fergie know?
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    matt10000 New Member

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    Exactly, you build a team with a diverse range of skills rather than just collecting individuals. What Bruce lacked in some areas he made up for in others.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    I'd suggest you go and watch the videos. His lack of speed meant that he left acres of space for players to exploit. Romario and Stoichkov literally wiped the floor with Dolly and Daisy. It wasn't even funny.

    There again, it was a different time when the EPL wasn't as rich as it is now, there were 3 foreigners rule and everyone worked with what he had. I don't blame Sir Alex for using Bruce but I can't say the same with Ole if he spends 70m on his slightly better upgrade.
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    Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04

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    Buying British is fine as long as it is top talents obviously. Buying British for the sake of it is stupid and you need "international" flair to top it up for sure. Instead of buying British, we should approach the best young players all over the world
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    He'sRaldo Full Member

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    Suspiciously similar to Memphis, Pogba, Martial, and now Rashford. I think we encourage players to put on upper body mass, for whatever reason.
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Increases shirt sales.
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    He'sRaldo Full Member

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    That would be absolutely ridiculous if true, wouldn't put it past us; surely it can't be the reason though.

    Nowadays the focus is on agility, balance, stamina, acceleration, etc. as opposed to upper body strength. I have a feeling the fitness staff isn't modern enough to recognize that.
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    We aren't and won't be starting a no foreigners policy. That will never happen. I just feel at the moment we are a bit of a mess and we've spent a lot of money on some players that haven't given in their best once they've joined. I don't think we can accuse the likes of Mata, Herrera and Zlatan of this but we've had a number that seem to be using United for the image and haven't dug deep when things haven't gone well. Out 1994, 1999, 2008 teams are widely seen as our best in the last quarter century and whilst foreign players took us that extra level further it never hurt to have at least a very British feel. After all, it's an English club. We've probably recruited poorly and sold players the wrong ideas and that comes down to Woodward IMO. I also believe British players likely view the likes of United as the pinnacle and won't be itching to move abroad or try something new and have a sneaky agent trying to engineer their next move all the time.

    I like the signings of James, Wan Bissaka and a possible arrival of Maguire and Longstaff. They are all young and in the case of everyone bar Maguirre - very young and talented. AWB improves us immediately with his talent, he's taking over from our worst player and he has a lot of room to improve. James is exciting and give us an extra dimension in a problem era as would Longstaff and both could prove mid/long-term bargains, Maguirre improves us a lot and right away. I don't see these signings/targets as buying for the sake of being British but being the best fit of what are available and the vision of the club. I'm sure we won't turn down a top foreign talent who's eager to join and help out.
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    They were clearly not ideally suited to stop Romario and Stoichkov, but that doesn't mean they were poor defenders.

    And Bruce was 34 at the time.

    The same pair did well enough against a different Barca vintage three years earlier, Bruce being instrumental in that win.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    As said, it was a different football mentality back then. The EPL's lack of financial power + the dreaded 3 foreigners rule meant that clubs had a very limited pool of players to work with. Having said that, I can't see SAF going for Bruce in today's football as much as I can't see him spending 70m on Maguire. We're talking about a man who struggled justifying spending 18m on Rio Ferdinand.
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    Rashford and Martial were gangly and needed to improve their strength. I'm not sure about Memphis but I don't think the reasons he failed are because of gainging body mass. Pogba has had some brilliant performances, his issue continues to be inconsistency.
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    He'sRaldo Full Member

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    Besides Pogba, their effectiveness all lie in acceleration and agility which to my eyes notably went down as soon as they built up that mass. This unfortunately affected their dynamism and especially their dribbling ability due to the slower change of pace and direction. Obviously also affecting Martial and Memphis' stamina (Rashford is a beast in this regard).

    As for Pogba, his inability to go from box to box (which he catches flack for) and press intensely can be attributed partially to the loss of dynamism and stamina associated with gaining that mass. Same with Lukaku and his famous much-reduced work rate. Of course they're both quality players so they'll still have excellent performances, but that limitation will always be there until they work on it.

    Upper body mass (not to be confused with strength) although sometimes good, can be detrimental if it's not done correctly. A good example would be Ronaldo before and after he went beast mode to win 3 CL's. He slimmed down from the bodybuilder physique he had previously and gained back some of his more dynamic qualities, to his and his team's benefit.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    With the rumours of the Southampton player coming to us, rumours of replacing two foreigners in Lukaku and Pogba with more foreigners, can we put a pin in this Brexit FC bullshit?
    Or is the meme planted so deeply in posters heads that they can't let it go?
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Dreaming of what could be...

    -------------De Gea-------------
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Shaw
    ----McTominay--Longstaff----
    -------------Pogba-------------
    Sancho--Greenwood--Rashford

    Ok not entirely sure about the two CM's but tried to keep in in line with the thread
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Swap Pogba with Angel Gomes since Pogba isnt staying forever, Lindelof with Tuanzebe, De Gea with Henderson and you have a full brexit fc;)

    Tbh though, if Tuanzebe, Gomes, Greenwood and McTominay all progress into regular starting players, we'll definitely be almost full British considering we'll have Wan Bissaka, probably Maguire, Shaw, Rashford and will go all out with Sancho. 9/11, the other 2 being the holding midfielder we go for and De Gea if he stays.
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    matt10000 New Member

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    Well buying British may make a lot of sense considering Brexit. If end of freedom of movement impacts football then players from EU may be treated in the same way as non-EU or (European Economic Area (EEA) footballers currently are.

    That means they will have to satisfy certain criteria or receive an exemption in order obtain a work permit, which would then allow them to work in the UK as employees of a football club.

    This would push up the price of British players even more and so if we have already bought all the best talent we arw quids in
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    steve.crowford New Member

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    Some massive star from EU should be in a team ) DeGea ,Pogba , Martial and maybe some super star CB
    -------------De Gea-------------
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Chilwell
    ----McTominay--Longstaff----
    -------------Pogba-------------
    Sancho--Martial--Rashford
    That team can win Champions League )
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    Bwuk Full Member

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    No it can’t.
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    TRUERED89 New Member

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    I'm not sure about that ^^^
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    steve.crowford New Member

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    Ок, if that team can't win CL, then British way it's not our way )
    -------------De Gea-------------
    AWB--Skriniar--Maguire--Shaw
    ----McTominay--Pogba----
    -------------Eriksen-------------
    Sancho--Martial--Rashford

    Sancho+Skriniar would be 300mln euro :) Eriksen for free, that team could win.
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    SCJY New Member

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    What you on about, mate? You think just throwing money at building the team will bring us any closer to winning the CL?
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    Shaw Mee Tah Mané New Member

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    Liverpool won CL with Henderson, Wijnaldum & Matip in the starting 11.

    It’s not the strongest 11 on paper that’s most important. Far from it.