[Pickle85]

Roy Keane won double in 94/96. Treble in 99…3 league titles in a row and was our best player in a squad of great players.

As Manchester United captains is up there with best ever…Robson, Cantona, Charlton.

Bruno could argue any place bottom 3. I’d have Valencia, Maguire, Rooney, Carrick as disappointing captains in comparison to above but pick all of them over Bruno every day of the weeks.

Not shock you think he is good leader on pitch and that his ‘only downfall’ is everyone else fault.

Not sure where you got this from the post you quoted?

 

[Scandi Red]

Not sure where you got this from the post you quoted?

I've given up trying to understand the most vocal Bruno critics by now. Half of them are banned or put on ignore and the other half are newbies who say shit like "Anderson was better". I just can't take them seriously anymore.

I'll do my best to honor the few players who've actually performed well and worked hard post Fergie. Which shouldn't be difficult, because that is a damn short list!

 

[Pickle85]

I've given up trying to understand the most vocal Bruno critics by now. Half of them are banned or put on ignore and the other half are newbies who say shit like "Anderson was better". I just can't take them seriously anymore.

I'll do my best to honor the few players who's actually performed well and worked hard post Fergie. Which shouldn't be difficult, because that is a damn short list!

Yep, lots of newbies popping up with the same dross. I've never known a player to divide his own fanbase to such an extent, given the contribution he's made to the club. Bizarre.

 

[Jund]

I've given up trying to understand the most vocal Bruno critics by now. Half of them are banned or put on ignore and the other half are newbies who say shit like "Anderson was better". I just can't take them seriously anymore.

I'll do my best to honor the few players who's actually performed well and worked hard post Fergie. Which shouldn't be difficult, because that is a damn short list!

Waaaaait a minute. "Anderson was better."? Like in competitive devouring of food?

 

[Pickle85]

Waaaaait a minute. "Anderson was better."? Like in competitive devouring of food?

I'm more and more suspecting that that particular poster is just trolling, but yes, it was something that was legit claimed.

 

[LeonDion]

Not sure where you got this from the post you quoted?

Interesting. Have to notice that you guys like discredit without addressing post. Pointless comment. How are you unsure?

Consider post….multiple times compares Bruno and leadership to Keane and leadership. Yet you seem to have issue with me pointing out that Keanes leadership took us to the pinnacle whilst being best player in great squad.

On flip side it can only be assumed that you have no issue with comparison of leadership between Keane and Bruno and so to extrapolate means you consider relative equals.

I’m not sure where you get this from careers of both players.

 

[Red in STL]

Waaaaait a minute. "Anderson was better."? Like in competitive devouring of food?

As a Newbie, ask him in the Newbie forums as you can post unlimited in there, he definitely has a hard-on against Bruno

 

[Pickle85]

Interesting. Have to notice that you guys like discredit without addressing post. Pointless comment. How are you unsure?

Consider post….multiple times compares Bruno and leadership to Keane and leadership. Yet you seem to have issue with me pointing out that Keanes leadership took us to the pinnacle whilst being best player in great squad.

On flip side it can only be assumed that you have no issue with comparison of leadership between Keane and Bruno and so to extrapolate means you consider relative equals.

I’m not sure where you get this from careers of both players.

You said:

Not shock you think he is good leader on pitch and that his ‘only downfall’ is everyone else fault.

I'm asking where you saw that from what the original post was. I'll wait...

 

[Musclehead]

Roy Keane won double in 94/96. Treble in 99…3 league titles in a row and was our best player in a squad of great players.

As Manchester United captains is up there with best ever…Robson, Cantona, Charlton.

Bruno could argue any place bottom 3. I’d have Valencia, Maguire, Rooney, Carrick as disappointing captains in comparison to above but pick all of them over Bruno every day of the weeks.

Not shock you think he is good leader on pitch and that his ‘only downfall’ is everyone else fault.

Well said, although not sure I would rank Rooney in with them. The balance plays into the Bruno delusionals who have never seen a game prior to Vidic. The kicker is "Different Ways To Lead". I can suppose that not leading at all is a different way to lead.

 

[Musclehead]

I've given up trying to understand the most vocal Bruno critics by now. Half of them are banned or put on ignore and the other half are newbies who say shit like "Anderson was better". I just can't take them seriously anymore.

I'll do my best to honor the few players who've actually performed well and worked hard post Fergie. Which shouldn't be difficult, because that is a damn short list!

It really is too funny that you have such a high esteem of yourself yet fail to realize how bonkers your posts are. Even more funny with the 5 or 6 that support you sit and revel in their own intellectual lacking of the game and players as a whole. No worries, the vast majority of supporters cannot wait for the day that Bruno and United part ways. They see it for what it is.

 

[Red in STL]

It really is too funny that you have such a high esteem of yourself yet fail to realize how bonkers your posts are. Even more funny with the 5 or 6 that support you sit and revel in their own intellectual lacking of the game and players as a whole. No worries, the vast majority of supporters cannot wait for the day that Bruno and United part ways. They see it for what it is.

Sounds like you are describing yourself, you are the one that brought Anderson in to the conversation, just admit it, you have a hatred of Bruno

No one is claiming that Bruno is the best ever, as a captain or as a player, he isn't ,and won't ever be but he is one of the best players we've had since he's been here, that says more about the rest than it does about him

 

[John XII]

Is there a comprehensive list of players this forum has suggested we replace Bruno with? I seem to remember James Ward-Prowse was one.

 

[Pickle85]

It really is too funny that you have such a high esteem of yourself yet fail to realize how bonkers your posts are. Even more funny with the 5 or 6 that support you sit and revel in their own intellectual lacking of the game and players as a whole. No worries, the vast majority of supporters cannot wait for the day that Bruno and United part ways. They see it for what it is.

Yeah at this point you have to be trolling. Onto ignore with you.

 

[Tallis]

Is there a comprehensive list of players this forum has suggested we replace Bruno with? I seem to remember James Ward-Prowse was one.

Someone was suggesting the other day that Damsgaard is better than Bruno. We can add that to the list.

To take a break from whether Bruno is good or bad - I am not sure I like him in this CM role. The best part of his game is G + A and creativity. He should be playing further up and influencing the attacking side of the game. This would be my formation:


---Amad----Ugarte----Maz--------Dorgu

-------Kobbie----------------Bruno------------------

-------------Hojlund / Zirkzee----------------------


Put Garnacho on in the 60 minute and he will contribute with his goal or assist. I would rather lose 4-1 at this point vs in a boring 2-0.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Someone was suggesting the other day that Damsgaard is better than Bruno. We can add that to the list.

To take a break from whether Bruno is good or bad - I am not sure I like him in this CM role. The best part of his game is G + A and creativity. He should be playing further up and influencing the attacking side of the game. This would be my formation:


---Amad----Ugarte----Maz--------Dorgu

-------Kobbie----------------Bruno------------------

-------------Hojlund / Zirkzee----------------------


Put Garnacho on in the 60 minute and he will contribute with his goal or assist. I would rather lose 4-1 at this point vs in a boring 2-0.

I reckon this season we should put Bruno as sole 10 - Zirkzee/Hojlund together up top and funnel things through Bruno. There's already a double pivot there waiting to be formed in Collyer/Ugarte (definitely needs upgrading come summer) but the 10s just don't work in my opinion unless we overlap the WBs. Reckon Zirkzee/Hojlund might be a pretty decent combo as well.

 

[LeonDion]

I've given up trying to understand the most vocal Bruno critics by now. Half of them are banned or put on ignore and the other half are newbies who say shit like "Anderson was better". I just can't take them seriously anymore.

I'll do my best to honor the few players who've actually performed well and worked hard post Fergie. Which shouldn't be difficult, because that is a damn short list!

I hope this is not true regarding posters banned for having opinion, long time observer have noticed many have gone silent who held different opinions to you. Perhaps you also have admin account?

Nobody cares what you have given up on. You think Bruno is best every game and every season. You have zero balance. You think he is good leader, you really really struggle to post any downside. Is always followed with a but and how for you XYZ might have been better but Bruno is overall best….corner taker, thro inner, moaner, diver, shooter, free kick taker, in the match, of the season, in the world.

He’s a decent player. His performances over time, all periods of time after first six months are patchy, inconsistent and often poor as much as good. Decent. Not Keane. Certainly not as captain.

 

[LeonDion]

You said:



I'm asking where you saw that from what the original post was. I'll wait...

Ok that wasn’t bolded.

It’s from the diving…’but everyone does it so’

 

[Scandi Red]

long time observer have noticed many have gone silent who held different opinions to you.

Though I'm not actually an admin, I'm still an extremely powerful poster. I'm like a less handsome version of Grima Wormtongue, whereas the mods are King Theoden pre Gandalf the White.

You think Bruno is best every game and every season. You have zero balance.

Not true, but whatever.

 

[Red in STL]

I hope this is not true regarding posters banned for having opinion, long time observer have noticed many have gone silent who held different opinions to you. Perhaps you also have admin account?

Nobody cares what you have given up on. You think Bruno is best every game and every season. You have zero balance. You think he is good leader, you really really struggle to post any downside. Is always followed with a but and how for you XYZ might have been better but Bruno is overall best….corner taker, thro inner, moaner, diver, shooter, free kick taker, in the match, of the season, in the world.

He’s a decent player. His performances over time, all periods of time after first six months are patchy, inconsistent and often poor as much as good. Decent. Not Keane. Certainly not as captain.

If people didn't have different opinions then there would not be much point to a forum, people get banned for different reasons, mostly for being rude, aggressive and argumentative, not for having a different opinion

 

[Musclehead]

Yeah at this point you have to be trolling. Onto ignore with you.

You keep saying that, yet keep putting your 2 cents in. Again, you can cite all you want, all I can say is this team is the absolute worst team I have ever seen wearing the emblem. It is an embarrassment to all fans. There is nothing positive to cite here and to try and put Fernandes in an elite group just defies logic. So ignore all you want, it really is irrelevant.

 

[Musclehead]

Sounds like you are describing yourself, you are the one that brought Anderson in to the conversation, just admit it, you have a hatred of Bruno

No one is claiming that Bruno is the best ever, as a captain or as a player, he isn't ,and won't ever be but he is one of the best players we've had since he's been here, that says more about the rest than it does about him

I get it man and really not trying to get personal. However, it drives me absolutely nuts when people try to overinflate the situation. Since 2013 this team has been on a downward spiral. To me it is unbelievable, should have never happened. There have been so many mistakes with those at the helm and quite frankly it is absolutely frustrating. With SAF we didn't win every year, but damn we were always in the mix. With the money spent, the names brought in, there is no reason this team is where it is. A Manchester United team without a top striker? A Manchester United team with a mid field avg age over 30? What the hell! Casemiro drawing the salary he does? Eriksen still playing? This team is full of disaster moves.

Here is something to dwell on, as a coach one thing you have to focus on, eliminating negatives. That is what you work on every day. Eliminate negative plays, eliminate negative attitudes and eliminate negative players. If I was coaching Fernandes has to go. Why? He carries negativity. His body language and his actions during games do not reflect a positive player. We can cite Keane and his negativity towards players, however the delivery was far different during games. His "Game Face" was determination, will to win and put it all on the line. Drive players not with whining but with just get it done and do it right. The same negative attitude was witnessed with Rashford, the body language, the woe is me, I didn't get the service attitude. It becomes problematic.

More to the point, making Fernandes captain, not only gives acceptance to the attitude, it rewards it. The one thing in the video that totally hit the point, Sancho telling him to stop moaning . Is that a player who respects his captain? Think not. Especially an on the cusp Sancho.

In Fernandes' defense, I will also cite something. People talk about "Workrate." That has multiple meanings. To me, that is a guy who gives 110% when he is on. Giving that 110% means you cannot play every minute of every game. You burn a player out and nullify positives, tired body, tired mind gives to poor decisions and plays. This perhaps is part of the problem. Fernandes plays way to many minutes. Maybe this is contributing, at his age, to a drop in production. Maybe not.

In any event, there is nothing that can be said, nothing that can be shown, that deters from my view that he is in a position over his head and skill level that he does not deserve to have, even worse, I do not see any other player who meets the criteria to wear the armband currently on the team. To even mention him with Keane or Scholes in relation to what he does on the field is a dishonor to both, Fernandes is nowhere near in the class of either. Fernandes is much more suited to a slower game pace and managed minutes, in Spain, Italy or Portugal. He is not of the class to be at Manchester United. He had some flashes when he first came in, but those have dwindled to nothing.

 

[#07]

Amad out, midfield decimated...

... once again it's all on Bruno.

 

[Based Adnan]

If he's still at the club going into next season then Amorim won't see next season out

Shocking performance

 

[Heinzesight]

A very odd performance. He looked uninterested from the off with awful body language throughout the game. I’m a fan of his but a real let down today.

 

[#07]

If we had finishers in this team Bruno would have playstation assist stats.

 

[SB16]

It's a bog standard performance from him, sadly. Just zero brains, poor technique, no calmness, just all-round hopeless. He masked a lot of this when he started at United with his ridiculous productivity (and protection from McTominay and Fred), but now that that's gone he's regressed to the mean.

 

[Amar__]

Created many counter attacks for Spurs today simply because he sees just what's in front of him. That diagonal set piece that he takes with outside of this foot like the one he set up Maguire created few counter attacks for Spurs today, there is a reason other top teams don't take set pieces like that even if you can score sometimes, it's low and it's easy to intercept as we have seen today and it leads straight to counter attack. Similar stuff with his corners too.

Defensively he must be one of the worst central midfielders we have ever had, never has been headless chicken more appropriate description for some player. Times and times they take him out of the game with simple one-two makes you break your TV.

When Amorim arrived I thought after few games he has finally changed him, but he is back to his usual self that acts like he is playing friendly games against kids on some tournament and not Premier League opponents every week. He is not better player than someone like Maguire that has obvious talent but unfortunately has so many important flaws and will never make any team he plays for play solid constant football. i am definitey done with him, I can't wait for the day we sell most of the team with him as a main name on that list.

 

[Seanus]

Can only guess he was ill or injured, very unlike him today, even when he's poor the effort is there, not today

 

[Rockets Redglare]

Amad out, midfield decimated...

... once again it's all on Bruno.

Did you watch the game? Any professional footballer who can’t pass the ball five yards should be embarrassed, I don’t give a feck that he’ll pick out the odd Steven Gerrard Hollywood bollocks pass.

 

[Isotope]

We should rely on Mount, Mainoo, Ugarte, or even Eriksen in that CM.

 

[Parma Dewol]

I’ve seen Bruno play sloppy passes before, but this felt different tonight. Maybe I’m reading too much into what was overall a poor game of football, but for the first time, he seemed disinterested.

Have never thought that about Bruno before. Good or bad, he always gives his all, but today he just looked lost. Like his heart wasn’t in it. He wasn’t even nagging teammates like he normally does.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Thought he was good. Actually think Cas and Bruno had a decent second half.

 

[M16Red]

Disgusting.

 

[Pickle85]

Poor today - very wasteful with the ball. He looks shattered at the moment but we can't rest him. Still, even having a really bad game he never hides and never stops running. There were worse players out there today.

 

[Pscholes18]

Seriously hope they are planning now to find his replacement.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

A bright spark in our darkest era. Great moments and great fitness and great effort.

But we are spinning our wheels with him. He is more important if we can get 30 million for him. Amorim is asking too much of him.

The more he's here, the more he will tarnish his legacy. BTW you can still be a top United fan by saying a once great player needs to move on.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

One of his worst performances in a United shirt today.

Obviously, playing in a midfield 2 with a semi-retired Casemiro isn't ideal for anyone, but that's no excuse for struggling to control the ball or falling over after an attempted pass.

 

[Slevs]

Really hope there's news saying he's ill. Cause if he wasn't, then he was either drunk or actively playing against us.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Absolute shocker. Would Amorim continue to give him the same leeway as Ten Hag did?

 

[edgecutter]

He was poor, but everything that we did well came from today.