Robson was different gravy, he earned the captain marvel tag for united and England, an absolute warrior who was also a brilliant player, always had time for fans too, loved his pint and is always one of the first names on any united or England all time XI Bruno is a great player and has carried this shambles of a team. But I don’t think he can be mentioned in the same breath as Robson, as much as I love him as a player
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Feels like you’re simply being argumentative.
Robbo was my childhood hero, you don’t need to lecture me about how good he was.
Why wouldn't the critics just keep criticising then? Why is there no criticism anymore? Could it be that something has changed perhaps?
For Bruno to be on 35 G/A in this horrible season with this horrible Utd side is just remarkable.
We're extremely lucky he's still here.
We're extremely lucky he's still here.
Well the biggest most consistent critic has been absent from this thread since Thursday it seems.
I would say it's simply become undeniable now, even for his most ardent detractors
Saying a player has improved does not mean he wasn't already fantastic. What a strange post
He must be one of the best penalty takers of all time right? He is the complete opposite of Onana trying to save a penalty.
An absolute legend of a player for me.
Just to find out peoples opinion-
Who was more influential through 90 minutes for us? Rooney or Bruno?
I'm not asking who the better player was because I think I know the answer but who played better through 90 mins and who was the more "moments" player between the two?
An absolute legend of a player for me.
Just to find out peoples opinion-
Who was more influential through 90 minutes for us? Rooney or Bruno?
I'm not asking who the better player was because I think I know the answer but who played better through 90 mins and who was the more "moments" player between the two?
Rooney was better for 90 mins
Best player on the pitch and outside the pitch as well
I was holding back legend talk a few weeks ago, but between the recent performances and this I'm there.
Yeah I thought the quality of his penalty the other night was underplayed because of the surrounding circumstances.
The keeper guessed correctly, it seemed like he got down low and fast but still felt like he had no chance to get a hand on it.
Rooney…similar to Robson comparison this to me is insane
Sorry didn’t mean to be argumentative, I thought you saying Bruno was in some way comparable in terms of ability. My bad.
Yep nothing much to criticise now. He's been outstanding since Christmas
Whereas before it was very much deniable because of the flaws previously exhibited in his game. They've gone, the criticism has gone ergo the criticism was fair.
As above
Ah, so you're saying that he's absolutely perfect now?
Also, this take is entirely predicated upon the assumption that the criticisms levelled against him were fair, which most of them weren't because they stubbornly ignored the enormous contribution he made to our team while inflating the weaknesses in his game to a point they didn't deserve.
I think for your take to be fully valid youd have to be cherry picking your criticism. No player is immune from criticism, and I myself doubted fernandes around his spell of 3 red cards. I can think of a couple of players maximum who were fully consistent in their time at united - cantona, scholes, giggs for example all suffered criticism.
But my point is that even when Fernandes was clearly and plainly a fantastic player, which was clear early on, he has had some simply absurd, hyperbolic nonsense aimed at him. We're not talking about measured criticism of aspects he could improve. The guy was delivering goals and assists at a rate equal to most midfielders in europe and you had posters simply refusing to accept that maybe he isn't 'part of the problem.' He would walk into most teams in the world and has been failed over and over again by united hierarchy who decided to build attacks around him with the likes of sancho, hojlund, antony, etc. This is a classic case where posters who were hysterical and nonsensical can now invoke the argument that 'oh he's better now so no complaints' as if huge amounts of criticism wasn't way way over the top. I don't mean you specifically, but it wont take much of a deep dive to find posts that would suggest the guy has been nothing but a toxic stat machine for 5 years, which has never, ever even been sort of true.
Spot on
Is he a legend for our club?
I think he is. I know the word legend is over used, but he has been a shining beacon for us in times of darkness.
I think he is. I know the word legend is over used, but he has been a shining beacon for us in times of darkness.
Our captain and rightfully so. Nearly an outrageous goal on Thursday and inspirational performance.
I generally stick by the rule that a legend has to win the league or CL. Given the state of the club and what it could mean, Bruno might be a rare exception should we win the Europa at the end of this awful season. It could be that significant in terms of where we end up, given that we're about to finish in our lowest ever position.
Watch mainoo goal again, there's bedlam, but fernandes goes to get ball from net to go and win it. Hes a united player to his core
Fantastic.
Just glad we can all enjoy what he's been doing since Christmas. I'm properly astonished by his improvements.
I will hold my hand up and admit I thought we should have cashed in on him 1 or 2 summers ago.
He's simply an incredible player. He always was, but I also think he's clearly improved this season with a better reading of when to be more direct vs controlled in his passing.
He's by far our best buy during the post-SAF era. And I really hope we manage to build a side that can compete for league titles with Bruno, because he absolutely deserves.
He's simply an incredible player. He always was, but I also think he's clearly improved this season with a better reading of when to be more direct vs controlled in his passing.
He's by far our best buy during the post-SAF era. And I really hope we manage to build a side that can compete for league titles with Bruno, because he absolutely deserves.
Utter nonsense. This is performance thread. His games discussed individually which leads to criticism of poor performance. Praise of good performance.
The only hyperbolic nonsense are claims only three players in past 35 years have been more consistent than Bruno.
Your takes, and other here are equal to some saying Bruno has not played well since February…which is not happen.
He was poor first half season. Same last season. Same Ragnick season. To claim otherwise is to attempt to rewrite history because he has played well for three month.
This is such a terrible post. Sorry but it's almost too terrible to respond to. I absolutely did not say only 3 players have been more consistent that Fernandes you've completely misread my post and the 3 named players are examples I've given of world class players who all went through poor patches and poor games. It happens almost every single player and Fernandes, probably because we live in the world of Internet, has been subjected to the most asanine, juvenile FIFA playing analysis of any player weve had.
Not going to go further with you on this as you didn't even read my post properly just went straight to the same shrieking Ive complained about
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I felt we saw two sides of the coin today with Bruno.
One of my favourite players of all time, but without him we looked much more composed in possession and Wolves couldn't get hold of the game.
However without him we also lacked any creativity and we we're just playing like a rotation game.
However when he did come in, we started playing more quickly and more opening chances but we seemed like we much less composed because of this.
One of my favourite players of all time, but without him we looked much more composed in possession and Wolves couldn't get hold of the game.
However without him we also lacked any creativity and we we're just playing like a rotation game.
However when he did come in, we started playing more quickly and more opening chances but we seemed like we much less composed because of this.
The difference between what he offered and the other subs was quite startling. He could play in any team in the world at the moment.
What game did you watch ? What he offered I maybe watched different game !
He was quite dominant for the first 15 or so minutes after he came on, instantly controlling us around and getting some nice moments around the box. Did seem to drift out of it after Wolves goal though.
Yes this is what happens all the time with Bruno cult. Someone responds with some context and is labelled ‘such a terrible post I can barely respond’.
But what is so terrible?
It is performance thread, where games are analyze individually and over time collective.
YOU stated only a couple of players were consistent and then named three players who you claimed were also inconsistent. By definition you are making comparison and then citing only two players have ever been consistent with zero context added. I wouldn’t have used those three players to justify Bruno, it’s ridiculous.
If Scholes, perhaps greatest pure footballer I’ve seen at club, Cantona the most influence and Giggs the record appearances and most decorated player in English history can be critic…then Bruno a good player, nowhere near the class of the other three, who has had half season of mediocre/poor performance almost every season at club can certainly and justifiably be critic.
When he plays well, and there’s critic then I’d agree, when he plays poorly for long time he’s subject to same rules, as you have pointed out, as much better player.
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Robson was a ‘very good player’?
I disagree. He was one of the greatest players in United’s history and more than a standout for 3 months of season. Seriously Robson didn’t do poor performances, similar to Keane in this way.
The only similar is that the teams both captain are poor.
A typical rose-tinted view , Robson and Keane had poor performances over their time at United, same as every player who's ever played the game, even Pele, Best, Maradona, Messi and Ronaldo have poor performances on their CV's
Do you disagree that they were two of greatest players in United history?
Really they didn’t have poor performances, their bottom level was high…until of course age and injuries even then you’d struggle to find poor performance.
In addition they were just ultra-consistent in high level performances week in week out…there was period from 1999 to about 2002 where Keane didn’t drop below 8/10 by far most consistently high level of performance I’ve seen since Robson and no one come close since.
other players you mentioned were also highly consistent and phenomenal players, as attacking players you are more likely to have the odd game where things don’t come off or the team struggles…in comparison to a Robson or Keane who are in thick of it.
In any case no comparison to Bruno in terms of ability, consistency and level of performance with players on this list.
A typically quick dark tinted view aimed at making a ridiculous comparison seem plausible.
In my opinion Bruno Fernandes is the Manchester United equivalent of Pauleta for PSG, a generally likable player who was objectively good but is only a cult hero because he was the best player during an extremely underwhelming period. None of our current players are at the level of some of our bench players during our CL/PL winning years.
I don't disagree that they are 2 of United's greatest ever players but you are pretty naive if you think they never had any poor performances, there isn't a player on the planet, in any sport, who's never had a poor performance
Alternatively you take 1 starter from them teams do they impact a game as much as Bruno does in this shit show of a team? What would Bruno need to do to escape the "cult hero" label? His numbers match nearly any of the best midfielders in the prem over the course of his United career, is it just that he needs a PL/CL to truly be seen as something more than what he is?
I think that's harsh. To say we had better bench players than him during our CL/PL winning years definitely doesn't track for me. He's a higher level player than everyone on the bench for that 99 CL final for instance. Fergie would have loved him.
For me at United he can't escape it, United is a club that is full of success and full of players that without a doubt reached the top of global Football. Everyone can't be at the top and I don't have any argument in favor of Bruno being at the same table than the likes of Sir Bobby Charlton, Best, Law and a few others. Also I don't think that his tactical or technical level puts him as high as a lot of great United players.
To me Bruno is a positive figure during a dark period but I don't rate him particularly highly among his peers or against United greats.
Sheringham and Ole on that bench btw…You don’t know that Fergie would loved him, or even signed him. Our scouts advise against. Why say that. Can’t be proved or disproved. Just pointless comment.