I heard someone recently make a convincing argument that chance creation is a much better metric of creativity than assists, which are a throwback to when stats were all much more basic. I think I agree.
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I heard someone recently make a convincing argument that chance creation is a much better metric of creativity than assists, which are a throwback to when stats were all much more basic. I think I agree.
Can go either way, chances created can be inflated if you have someone who takes a lot of long shots (like Ozil's chances created stat at Madrid may be inflated because Ronaldo used to shot from everywhere). xA is supposed to net those out because those long pot shots would have a very low xA value. Same thing with corners/set pieces. Anton Stach technically has the 2nd highest chances created per game in the EPL this season but no one would say he's the 2nd most creative player in the league, it's inflated because he's very good at set pieces.
Big chances created would be a better stat if you want to go along that route.
Actually that may have been the stat proposed to be better than assists.
In terms of big chances created he's close to 1 per game for the whole season, which would be amongst the highest in the EPL (from 15/16, when I can see these stats).
Just looking at purely chances created, as that's the only stat I can get on a game by game basis, he has 4.8 per game since he became a CAM. That's the highest per game chances created amount in the Premier League since these stats have been available in the 09/10 season (next highest is Ozil 15/16 with 4.3).
By all measures those 18 matches as a CAM have been unprecedented, you can never be sure how whether it would've translated to a whole 38 game season. Iirc Ozil had 16 assists in his first 18 games of the 15/16 season but then went off a cliff in the second half.
Interesting. Thanks for looking into it.
17th on the all time PL assists list. If he stays another 3 years, I could see him breaking into the top 5.
Agree - what a legend. And of those ahead of him, only Becks, D Silva, Bergkamp, Fabregas and KDB also ahead on mins per assist, I think? If he continues this consistency into next season he's definitely moving up that list too.
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Just a little nostalgia here
Im proud of seeing our boy Becks on some of these stats. What a player he was. You can tell someone knows about footy when they don't dismiss him just for the media circus which followed him.
Im proud of seeing our boy Becks on some of these stats. What a player he was. You can tell someone knows about footy when they don't dismiss him just for the media circus which followed him.
That being said if he reverts to 8 assist seasons he might not make top 10 and hover around Sheringham, Milner territory. But I think and hope the new and improved Bruno is here to stay.
Hopefully now we have players that seem more capable of finishing the chances that he, as regularly the most prolific chance creator in the PL, creates it should be easy. He's certainly stepped up this season but there's nothing entirely new about this.
Also, if he had only two more eight goal seasons he would still be 10= with Milner!
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Ah yeah but I just think the chance creation stat is a bit of a swizz. Eriksen had 8 assists one season but somehow hadn't made 9 chances (the list only went down to 9). That year Bruno made a hundred chances and had 8 assists. Eriksen made 8 and all were converted? Chances created seems a bit ropy.
Your obsession with talking down Bruno, even if trying to compliment him is weird. Its a very unhealthy obsession, looking at your post history on Bruno Fernandes.
He's always right up there in big chances created. And I swear you've argued in the past that assist stats don't really mean much either. Seems like you pick and choose which stats to put your trust in and when as far as Bruno's concerned...!
I'm talking about him making the top 5 or top 10 all time assist rankings. I'm literally talking him up the charts.
Yep and I give good examples for why I don't like the chances created stat. Care to engage with that or are we back to ad hominim stuff.
But big chances created and chances created are different. If you're arguing that neither big chances created, nor chances created, nor a combination of the two are useful then I don't know what to say to you.
You do this all the time, say something ambiguous but inflammatory and then start pearl clutching in outrage when someone calls you out on it. It's very transparent and very tiresome.
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I love these plots.
I just think actual assists are a better stat that something quite arbitrary.
Talk about a sentence full of falsehoods.
There was nothing ambiguous. There definitely was nothing inflammatory. I said he's making his way up the list of all time great creators. This is mental.
Even the praise gets policed.
You then put him next to milner (a byword for average grafter), in the same way that you did, before being warned about wumming, with players like Anderton. You know exactly what you're doing.
I guess we have different opinions about Milner and Sheringham. I consider them PL greats. Sorry that you're triggered by them. Sorry that they're on the all time list but I really can't do anything about that.
Regardless of whether you think Sherringham and Milner are legends or just solid, the fact is that they have played far more PL minutes than Bruno.
Sherringham:
Almost 13k more minutes
Milner:
Almost 28k more minutes
Sherringham:
Almost 13k more minutes
Milner:
Almost 28k more minutes
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Yep, hopefully he passes them out in the next couple of years and gets firmly into the top 10.Regardless of whether you think Sherringham and Milner are legends or just solid, the fact is that they have played far more minutes than Bruno.
Sherringham:
Almost 13k more minutes
Milner:
Almost 28k more minutes
I'm not triggered by them - Teddy was class. Milner was someone that made the most of a pretty mediocre talent (in the context of top players).
Remember when you found per 90 stats more important than totals? From memory you used them to compare him to some flash in the pan Burnley forward. Now that Bruno's per min stats are impressive you're using totals to compare him to milner. Couldn't make it up.
It's all impressive. Goodbye
The top 6 shortlist will be announced tomorrow. I reckon it will be Bruno, Rice, Gabriel, Haaland, Cherki and Bernardo Silva.
Could see Raya on there.
He should ahead of Cherki who probably will win YPOTY
Agreed. I don't think it's outlandish to claim Raya played a bigger role in Arsenal winning the title than Rice
I agree, he had a stronger case for POTY than Rice in my eyes. He was as integral to their season as Gabriel and Rice.
Pains me to admit but he was probably the best keeper in the world this season
Bruno assist
He just can't stop
I really wish he can drive Portugal to World Cup glory. The guy deserves a big trophy in his career.
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I have no idea if that’s correct but it’s what stupid AI thinks
I have no idea if that’s correct but it’s what stupid AI thinks
Cracking goal to follow up the assist.
That's not him. He just scored a superb goal now though
Roy Keane: See he admitted to never taking shots like that for United
I'm pretty sure that's Ruben Neves who assists the goal. Bruno did just score a lovely goal from outside the box though.
Ffs!