The fact that someones said "I've never hated a player until now" when speaking about Bruno after some of the complete wrong uns or just utter shite we've had play for us is mental. I knew public opinion took a turn after weeks of shite performances, not exclusive to Bruno mind but some of the stuff written about him recently is a bit crazy. Can't be far off "he's mid level championship quality" comments.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 12
- Goals
- 2
- Assists
- 3
- Yellow cards
- 2
Those times of ‘complete disarray’ look pretty rosy compared to now.
Never has a player been as detrimental to our downfall as Bruno. Obviously we've had far worse players, but none of them have been our captain playing every single fecking game.
History is not being rewritten. His issues have been evident for many a season, you can go back to the champions league knockout we played in, and many other games big or small to see his flaws (incidentally when playing in his best position rather than his current one).
Yes, he has had great moments with United playing on the counter, with ball carrying attackers in front of him running into open space for him to supply with his superb vision.
That approach only takes you so far though, when space is more limited or against a better level of opposition, you would want a player who can ally that vision to close control and the ability to resist the press, play on the turn and carry the ball to open up defensive lines. He lacks those qualities - as do many of our players in his time here so far.
I’ve had major concerns about his limitations as an effective part of drilled team since Ole’s last season
But he seemed perfectly fine in Ten Hag’s first season when we finished 3rd with a super low defensive line and pragmatic football. Maybe we should have carried that momentum to go buy good players around him but instead Ten Hag decided to start playing suicide football and have the worst transfer window in modern football history. After that we continued to make terrible hires but for some reason he’s expected to maintain the same level of performance and consistency.
Like that 1 Champions League knockout game he’s played against Atletico Madrid, where in general that season we was utterly hopeless and he wasn’t in the best form but still played a decisive pass to Elanga to get the goal. He has his flaws, he’s a chaotic player but his game last season especially against City at home showed he’s more than capable in a controlled manner. He’s getting the stick for the team and the managers being absolutely terrible and him trying to make something of it. Maybe if we had kept Van De Beek who keeps things ticking side to side we’d be in a better spot?
Completely agree. The hyperbole is quite tedious. Therefor, I actually kind of appreciated very few posters reacting to the post you mentioned since thats probably the best way to deal with such rage-baity texts that usually don't trigger anything but the same everpresent responses.
Just watching Arsenal’s nice controlled possession- put Bruno in that midfield demanding the ball and spraying it around and they would be as bad as we are.
Adds nothing to the discussion
But he would probably have great xG and chances created even though he destroyed the game for his own team
Any excuse to take shots, isn't it?! Have a day off ffs. Arsenal are better coached, better drilled, play a more sensible system and have better players. It's pretty clear that Bruno is not the only difference between the two teams.
Why did he change his penalty technique? He doesn’t wait anymore does he?
The same way Rashford is doing better in a a better machine, I'd say it'd be the same with Bruno at Arsenal.
Agreed. That would be the most reasonable assumption!
I think he is talented and capable of many things, his actual ability is never in question for me.
But I hate the way he plays football, it is never in control, he does not see the overall picture of the pitch from his central role, he always rushes into something, which is not bad in of itself (playing quick balls and so on), but doing it consistently all the times is what drives me crazy.
The annoying bit is that I expect zero contributions from him defensively apart from being a body in the middle, but I expect a lot from him on the ball at least, and he is terrible with the ball, not because he lacks the ability, but because he lacks the basic understanding of what is required of him as a CM in a 343, this isn't in anyway a defense of Amorim and his tactics/formation, this is more on what a CM does in any formation, be it a 433 or 343 or 4231, in all of these formations and tactics, the CM role has similar responsibilities, the details vary but the overall responsibilities are more or less similar.
But I hate the way he plays football, it is never in control, he does not see the overall picture of the pitch from his central role, he always rushes into something, which is not bad in of itself (playing quick balls and so on), but doing it consistently all the times is what drives me crazy.
The annoying bit is that I expect zero contributions from him defensively apart from being a body in the middle, but I expect a lot from him on the ball at least, and he is terrible with the ball, not because he lacks the ability, but because he lacks the basic understanding of what is required of him as a CM in a 343, this isn't in anyway a defense of Amorim and his tactics/formation, this is more on what a CM does in any formation, be it a 433 or 343 or 4231, in all of these formations and tactics, the CM role has similar responsibilities, the details vary but the overall responsibilities are more or less similar.
I liked Bruno especially during his earlier years but he’s always been a stats player. Very rarely have we ever been in control of a full game of football with him in our squad but lots of his supporters disregard that when he managed to get a goal or assist and now that they have dried up they are pointing to other stats like created chances ect….we should have forced him out in the summer regardless if we were able to get a replacement or not but we basically did with bringing in Cunha and Mbuemo.
This club always holds onto players far too long to the detriment of the team.
This club always holds onto players far too long to the detriment of the team.
Arsenal obviously have better players and play 10 times better than us, and Bruno most likely will thrive there, but it definitely won't be in a CM role, he would do well in an AM role if Arsenal play with one, the mere fact that they have top holding CMs like Rice and Zubimendi means Bruno can do whatever he wants as the middle is properly covered by excellent CMs behind/alongside him.
Hook this guy off penalties imo. Two important ones missed this year which could've given us 4 points...
This post is too sensible and no place on redcafe
You nailed it and summed up really well. I couldn't agree more.
every single set piece he has taken this season
it is horrendous
Watch it mate, a few of them might go into progressive passes counts, key passes and chance created as well.
Limited standards. He needs to be taken off corners and free kicks for sure.
I would take Mount and Mmeubo as takers
Yes I think both have delivered much better and consistent threats from corners. Don’t remember anyone else having a free kick but surely someone must be better than Bruno. He’s scored about four in five years.
Cunha too. He scored directly from corner against us. He can deliver some mean corner. When Martinez returns, he can take the free kick from distance away.
What’s the point of that video? Looks like a mixture of good, bad and indifferent set pieces. Like most takers. The only vaguely interesting observation you can take from that is we seem to be consistently wanting our corners delivered to the back post. Which is different from what we saw in previous seasons (and not very effective as a tactic). If you’ve a problem with that then maybe take it up with our set piece coach?
Hillarious isn’t it?
The Mirror were reporting today that Fernandes is disillusioned with the CM role
Yay, Bruno in the middle again. Watching this week in and week out is infuriating, it will be Amorims downfall
Man Utd 2:0 Sunderland
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Surprised we didn’t bring him on.
Good today. Kept it simple and used the ball well.
Was good today.
Aren’t we all.
Good today. Shame about that cheeky shot towards the top corner.
Think he had a decent game overall. Really calm on the ball compared to his "usual" self. Don't think he stood out too much and our good team performance was mostly down to Sunderland starting with a bad plan but the game was wrapped up quite efficiently and didn't become too tense later on so good on all involved.
Good today? He was quite poor. He and Cas seemed determined to pass to no one. There was also a bit where Cas is under preasure waiting for Fernandes to drop in the space but instead Bruno is too busy pointing.
Later Mbueno has pulled 2 in freeing Amad, mbueno has played it back to Bruno who can now see the whole picture and instead of playing it over Mbueno to Amad who would be running free he gives it back to Mbueno who is covered by 3 players.
He also at one point just went for a wonder and left midfield, turned the ball over then could not get back to where he was supposed to be.
He does have some nice little moments but they don’t overshadow his general play which is affecting us negativly. The sooner he is out of midfield the better.
Honestly makes my blood boil watching him sometimes. Almost as bad as Dalot.
Later Mbueno has pulled 2 in freeing Amad, mbueno has played it back to Bruno who can now see the whole picture and instead of playing it over Mbueno to Amad who would be running free he gives it back to Mbueno who is covered by 3 players.
He also at one point just went for a wonder and left midfield, turned the ball over then could not get back to where he was supposed to be.
He does have some nice little moments but they don’t overshadow his general play which is affecting us negativly. The sooner he is out of midfield the better.
Honestly makes my blood boil watching him sometimes. Almost as bad as Dalot.
You should have popped your last sentence at the top of the post so it would have been clearer earlier that this was a post that wasn't worth reading.
When you say he seemed determined to pass to nobody, do you have his pass stats?
Goals - 0
Assists - 0
**Passing - 40/51 (78%)
Dribbles - 0
Ground duals - 6..won 2
Aerial duals - 0
**Possession lost - 13 (touches 66)
Clearances - 3
Interceptions - 2
Tackles - 0
Dribbled passed - 4
What wasn’t worth reading? that I pointed out some key moments where he played like a dumb ass. Also that he kept playing people in to trouble. He was poor, he had that one good shot which was great but this doesn’t make up for the rest of his day.
And I didn’t mean he played as bad as Dalot but that he makes my blood boil almost as much as Dalot.
If you honestly watch that performance and think he was good then fine I’m not going to try and change your mind because it’s obvious no one could. I just can’t understand how anyone could watch that unless they only saw highlights and think he was good.
Thank you @CMRobbo7
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With Mount and Amad we didnt rely on him to create. And rightly so.