Fair enough if you stand by your (apparently genuine) claim that Bruno has been a better player for United than Bobby Charlton, Rooney and Ronaldo. For me, even as someone who loves Bruno and has often defended him to the hill, that is a mad stance to take. A stance that I assume most (if not all) of the so-called "little group of fans that come out in force" wouldn't go so far as to concur. For you to hold his footballing ability in such high esteem, whilst simultaneously going on a tirade about how inferior of a captain he is compared to our other legendary captains, just seems a bit out-of-the-blue when the poster you were replying to was simply stating how Bruno's captaincy style is better suited to this current generation of footballers.
Also, just as an amusing side-note, I know very little about this Statman Dave character that you've namedropped, other than seeing him tweet a few Opta stats that paint Bruno in a positive light, but if he ever tweeted that Bruno was a better player for United than Charlton then I would start to question his faculties.
It’s fine to have a different opinion. Where would you have Bruno in say a top 20 players or 30?
Tirade? There’s no tirade dude. Also it’s not about Bruno. It’s about someone shifting goal posts to diminish what others did, to attempt to elevate Bruno as a captain because he has to top every poll. It happens a lot in this thread. It saddens me. Two things can be true.
Bruno can be a great player and so can others.
Bruno can be better than others without them being utter dross
Bruno can be a great player without being a ‘legendary captain’.
Steve Bruce can be a better captain than Ryan Giggs.
Ryan Giggs can be a world class legend.
Steve Bruce can be merely a very good CB and nowhere near world class.
Look again at this thread. I came in to state that it should be a difficult take for our fanbase because as a club we have had an unusual amount of the greatest captain’s ‘on the pitch’ to ever play the sport. Now I’m having to defend that stance? Not the dude who assigned scrappy hot-head, aggression abrasive tone as the only noteworthy and remarkable traits when describing the captaincy of Robson, Cantona, Keane.
You’ve stated ‘the poster you were replying to was simply stating how Bruno's captaincy style is better suited to this current generation of footballers.’ But why are you claiming this? They never have? Not when I made the point about the previous captains we’ve had and what they did on the pitch and not when deciding to name what they see as the attributes of those I mentioned.
If specific to ‘the current generation’ were true then when faced with my initial question the logical response would be along the lines of -
‘I mean in the current generation’ or ‘Those players were some of the greatest captains ever but I feel the needs have changed in the modern game’.
But they didn’t make that distinction, in response to me ‘name dropping’ Robson, Cantona, Keane, THEY kept the former with the latter -
A captain spends roughly 90 minutes per week on the pitch on average over the course of a full year. And they are mainly busy playing football during those 90 minutes. (Diminishing the importance of what others did on the pitch, there’s no mention of ‘these days’ or framing to that effect)
The amount of captain-specific actions you are able to do on the pitch pale in comparison to all the hours on the training ground etc.(Elevating Bruno’s captaincy with no framing towards ‘unlike in the past’)
That is why I think what you do off the pitch matters more.
Especially these days…‘Especially’ is important here because it makes the distinction between an argument that is inclusive of the past and one that is exclusive. The poster is talking about what has always made a great captain - THEN further elevating the importance in the modern game. At no point have they isolated the discussion or reframed from my response.
Only you have done this.
The response THEY chose when framing Robson, Cantona and Keane as captains simply was -
being a scrappy hot-head, aggression abrasive tone won't do you any favors with the referee. I also think players are more professional these days, which reduces the need for constant, loud corrections.
Just as an amusing side-note, I know very little about this Scandi Red character that you've defended, other than seeing him post a few Opta stats that paint Bruno in a positive light, but if he ever posted that Bruno was a better captain for United than Robson then I would start to question his faculties.
