Kane would score about 60 goals next season if Bruno is setting him up at Bayern.
Bruno Fernandes Out? | Staying at Man United
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I dont think it's as desperate. If we have £100m and sell Garnacho for 50-60m with say £40m from a combination of sancho, Antony and Rashford - that's what £200m we can throw at the squad whilst keeping Bruno?
That gets you say 3 attackers in Mateta, Cunha, Cherki plus 40-50m to go toward a CM that can be a conductor role which Mainoo struggled with.
If we have to get Delap as reported then it would be something like Delap, Cunha, Mbuemo plus a CM.
I know Im simplifying it but I don't see how we can't do that from a realistic standpoint.
Now age 30, stock value will plummet in the next couple of years. Utd would sell in a heartbeat.
For those wanting to keep him, what’s his position within starting 11? He’s sure no midfielder as final has yet again exposed him massively, or number 10 in place of Amad & Garnacho, the only players in the squad who can actually take on a player in the forward line? Where exactly does he fit and given he’s 31 and a physical midget I don’t see a place for him in the team without altering the balance. We should be forcing him to leave this is a no brainer basically.
A smart well run club would recognize that we've had the guy for basically the prime of his career, he's been incredibly lucky with injuries considering how much he plays and it's very likely not going to get better. 100 million would be incredible but even 80 million would be fantastic. Sell and try to hijack the Wirtz deal or invest it well and we will be a much more cohesive and productive attacking unit. It's not a coincidence that we've had shocking attacking returns in the league the last three seasons with Bruno starting almost every game as the attacking focal point.
Hijack the Witz deal ? Hahaha Comedy gold!
Couldn't we then just buy Lamine Yamal?
Why would they shell out money for Bruno when they have a better, younger CAM already setting up Kane? Unless they are signing him to be backup to Musiala, which makes no sense to shell out the amount they will have to shell out in transfer fee and wages. What Bayern need is someone to play off their left side and we already know that Bruno is pretty much naff anywhere but at CAM in a 4-2-3-1. So, once again, another pipe dream.
This is an objective post highlighting the stats, Bruno is certainly a patchy player. If United can sell some players that were legends at the club in their prime it's hardly the end of the world selling Bruno. I understand the contrast isn't entirely the same having had the best manager for decades overlooking the transitions. But if selling Bruno gets you two more players integral to what Amorim demands (pace, power, athleticism) it can become a springboard to develop the team, as opposed to looking for a like-for-like replacement.
I just don't think he fits Amorim's system, not disciplined enough to be a midfielder and doesn't carry the ball well enough for the 10's. He's the epitome of someone suited for the 4-2-3-1 setup where as the vocal 10 he can interlink the midfield and contribute to the attack playing off the striker.
Musiala is definitely not better than Bruno, especially in giving assists. And he's also still a very inconsistent player.
As good as he is, he's too flawed a player and too physically weak and over 30.
"I'll be hurt to see him leave". Good God. Get over it. He's been our best player but also central to humiliating hammerings and the lowest we've been. We have to move on.
He has great stats. So did Lukaku. I watch all the games. A big reason why relegation teams often steamroll us even at Old Trafford is due to Bruno as he can't keep the ball and physically gets dominated. That's a really bad combination and his great production can't make up for that. The proof is our league position amd performances.
If we were looking to be a counter attack team I'd love for him to stay. We aren't. He should leave.
"I'll be hurt to see him leave". Good God. Get over it. He's been our best player but also central to humiliating hammerings and the lowest we've been. We have to move on.
He has great stats. So did Lukaku. I watch all the games. A big reason why relegation teams often steamroll us even at Old Trafford is due to Bruno as he can't keep the ball and physically gets dominated. That's a really bad combination and his great production can't make up for that. The proof is our league position amd performances.
If we were looking to be a counter attack team I'd love for him to stay. We aren't. He should leave.
One of the best newbie posts i've ever seen on here. Absolutely spot on. How this cult of Bruno Fernandes got started on here is a mystery to me because he is half the player Redcafe thinks he is. If Al-Hilal truly offer £100m, it would be total idiocy on our part to not accept it. He is not remotely close to being a £100m player.
I'll be sad to see him go, but that offer for someone who turns 31 very soon is too tempting not to accept.
He's been by far and away the best transfer since Fergie was in charge and without him we would been relegated and trophyless in the last few years.
That said, I have no idea where we are going to get our chance creation or play making if we remain with the dregs like Mason Mount. Next season will be rough.
He's been by far and away the best transfer since Fergie was in charge and without him we would been relegated and trophyless in the last few years.
That said, I have no idea where we are going to get our chance creation or play making if we remain with the dregs like Mason Mount. Next season will be rough.
The way I see it is that, for this team to stabilize, we need about 7 players, with the right profiles at GK, CB, DM, CM, RWB, AM and St. We can make do with Ugarte and keep the number at 6. At an average of £50m that's easily £300m that we don't have.
In this context, though self inflicted, we need to raise about £150m from player sales and Bruno is one of our few saleable players. We won't win with him because we won't have the balance and strength in depth to utilise him. Without him we have the chance to use his fee to rebuild. It's a no brainier.
However the same idiots that dropped £50m on Ugarte will still be in charge, is there a good chance that now that they are settled they will do any better?
In this context, though self inflicted, we need to raise about £150m from player sales and Bruno is one of our few saleable players. We won't win with him because we won't have the balance and strength in depth to utilise him. Without him we have the chance to use his fee to rebuild. It's a no brainier.
However the same idiots that dropped £50m on Ugarte will still be in charge, is there a good chance that now that they are settled they will do any better?
Yep, agreed. Would have loved to see him surrounded with players of similar quality, with a chance for challenging for major honors. Sadly it wasn't to be.
sell,Sell,SELL.
Are we classing that AM as Cunha I presume, sounds like we want two 10's so maybe it's 8 players
I've already put forward my counterpoints, which are that you're omitting certain stats because to include them doesn't suit your argument, and you're ignoring how important he is to the team beyond pure goals and assists. Almost everything threatening we do involves him. There's a reason that hardly any pros have a negative thing to say about him - managers, teammates, peers etc. it's because he's really good and extremely important to the team.
We're never going to agree on this so it's probably pointless to continue the bank and forth.
As a sidenote, is quite amusing how the pro Bruno crowd are often painted by the other side as obsessed with stats and ignoring everything else, yet when the anti Bruno folks think they can make an argument based on stats, suddenly stats are the most objective metric possible.
Bruno is great, no denying it but this team isn't winning anything. It's time to be brave and make big moves in the transfer market. All the great run organizations across all sports know when it is time to blow up a team and start again. This is our opportunity to do just that. Sell Bruno for a massive fee along with rashford and co to rebuild. We aren't winning anything with our current crop so lets shoot for the stars. Fortune favors the bold!
Bruno doesn't seem like he's enjoying football anymore. It's probably time for both parties to part and move on.
For Amorim to be non-committal when asked about Bruno is hopefully telling. This just makes too much sense.
Yeah what were the quotes as hadn't seen the presser
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It would be very disappointing to see him wither away in the desert, especially with the World Cup coming up. He should try for one of Europe's big clubs. He still has a couple of years at the highest level.
I wouldnt call Old Trafford a desert. More of a grassy hill.
Fabrizio Romano making an announcement soon on players leaving United
No interest in seeing what's good for Bruno to be honest, if we're selling him, sell him to the very highest bidder, and that'll be Saudi. If he's going, we need to rinse it for all its worth.
It’ll be a massive change not having him on the pitch. He’s been our best player for so many years. I also wonder how losing him will affect the dressing room.
Don’t think we have a player at the moment who is ready to step up and be our main man.
Don’t think we have a player at the moment who is ready to step up and be our main man.
No European club is going to give us 100m for him or the wages he's reportedly getting there.
Some of you are forgetting we owe £100mil for current/past players this summer, selling Bruno will wipe that out.
Do you honestly think Wirtz would pick us over Liverpool?
He’s just posted an ‘exclusive’ that Lindelof is leaving which I reckon any of us could have broken at least six months ago.
That would require Saudi to actually want Casemiro which according to reports last summer they had no interest.
The guy is full of shite.
Obviously it's extremely unlikely but we can definitely improve if we invest the(potential) money smartly.
If it's really 100m, realistically we have to accept the offer don't we? If it's less than than say 80m then it would be worth more to keep hold of him.
It will be bizarre to not see him playing for us again. Due to his fitness, he's practically played every match since he arrived.
Could be a situation like Liverpool selling Coutinho. Sold their crown jewel but ultimately helped them build a more cohesive unit.
For Bruno, it's not obvious where he fits in this system. He's not a CM and I think he lacks the pace and ability to beat a man in those wide 10's.
Cunha is a perfect fit for that wide left 10. Then you have Amad for the right, and probably Zirkzee and Mount as backup.
If we bank £160m for Garnacho and Bruno, probably have to take it. I'll be sad to see both go.
For Bruno, it's not obvious where he fits in this system. He's not a CM and I think he lacks the pace and ability to beat a man in those wide 10's.
Cunha is a perfect fit for that wide left 10. Then you have Amad for the right, and probably Zirkzee and Mount as backup.
If we bank £160m for Garnacho and Bruno, probably have to take it. I'll be sad to see both go.
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