Bruno Fernandes Out? | Staying at Man United

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Love the man but the amount of money, at his age, with the current system, it seems a bit of a no brainer to sell. As long as the club actually spend it well.
 
100m sounds tempting, it would basically pay for 2 players like Cherki and Goykeres. Bruno is our best players and 1 of very few in our squad who actually has some fight in him. But still he is 30 and his prime years are coming to an end, maybe now is the time to cash in and bring in some younger players.
 
the hea said:
100m sounds tempting, it would basically pay for 2 players like Cherki and Goykeres. Bruno is our best players and 1 of very few in our squad who actually has some fight in him. But still he is 30 and his prime years are coming to an end, maybe now is the time to cash in and bring in some younger players.
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Eh to me he doesn't have fight, he moans and whinges. I like him, and have very mixed feelings about him leaving, but he's not really a fighter. When the going gets tough, he has too often gone missing.
 
Bruno lost possession 27 times in the final this alone is enough to sell him . Never a captain material never will . Bruno will go down as one of the worst Man United captain with Ashley Young and Harry Maguire .
 
Judas said:
Eh to me he doesn't have fight, he moans and whinges. I like him, and have very mixed feelings about him leaving, but he's not really a fighter. When the going gets tough, he has too often gone missing.
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His moaning is annoying as feck and the one thing about him I really dislike, by fighting I meant that he never gives up, he never stops running and he always keeps on trying until the final whistle.
 
Albo said:
Bruno lost possession 27 times in the final this alone is enough to sell him . Never a captain material never will . Bruno will go down as one of the worst Man United captain with Ashley Young and Harry Maguire .
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True, a symbol of one of the club’s worst seasons, get rid before they pull out
 
One thing we shouldn't ignore is his biggest quality: he is never injured. We could sell him and replace him but can we get the same quality without having to fear injuries?
 
croadyman said:
Oh yeah there is no doubt he's our creative heartbeat, however that suggests to me we have been far too reliant on him to produce moments of magic
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There's no question that we have been too dependent on him to produce moments pf magic.

At the end of the day Bruno's future is entirely up to Bruno
 
Were now having to start from the ground up , I love Bruno to bits but for his own sake we ain't winning anything important in next 2 years at least, where he will then be coming up for 33, his stocks will never be as high as they are now and if we are being offered 100m+ it's vital we take it and invest into a squad thats so depleted of talent , he also will earn a shit ton if he goes to Saudi and stll be able to make the Portugal squad
 
If Bayern come calling let him go. A player of his caliber deserves better than what we’ve become as a club.
 
Pickle85 said:
I've already put forward my counterpoints, which are that you're omitting certain stats because to include them doesn't suit your argument, and you're ignoring how important he is to the team beyond pure goals and assists. Almost everything threatening we do involves him. There's a reason that hardly any pros have a negative thing to say about him - managers, teammates, peers etc. it's because he's really good and extremely important to the team.

We're never going to agree on this so it's probably pointless to continue the bank and forth.

As a sidenote, is quite amusing how the pro Bruno crowd are often painted by the other side as obsessed with stats and ignoring everything else, yet when the anti Bruno folks think they can make an argument based on stats, suddenly stats are the most objective metric possible.
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Stats to me are generally BS because for the most part they have no context within a game, nothing beats the eye test, that eye test tells me that currently with Bruno in the team we have a better chance of winning a game than we do without him.

As for Bruno staying or going, if someone makes an offer for him that United accept then he, and only he, will decide what happens, personally I think the only acceptable offer for the club will come from Saudi and that Bruno won't be interested
 
Giggsy13 said:
If Bayern come calling let him go. A player of his caliber deserves better than what we’ve become as a club.
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We don't want him moving to a European club as none of them will offer anywhere near what the Saudi's apparently are. I'd rather none of them turn Bruno's head and put us in a situation where he now wants to leave for Bayern/PSG/etc for only 40-50m, so hopefully it's us or Saudi.
 
MadDogg said:
We don't want him moving to a European club as none of them will offer anywhere near what the Saudi's apparently are. I'd rather none of them turn Bruno's head and put us in a situation where he now wants to leave for Bayern/PSG/etc for only 40-50m, so hopefully it's us or Saudi.
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Bruno doesn’t care about what you want. Why would a player who is still capable of playing at a high level go to Saudi? He doesn’t strike me as someone who is motivated by money, he wants to win trophies.
 
With the rumoured 72 hour deadline and the possibility of him leaving no longer being shot down, I would not be surprised if he’s waving goodbye to our fans at the final whistle tomorrow.
 
croadyman said:
Are we classing that AM as Cunha I presume, sounds like we want two 10's so maybe it's 8 players
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Cunha is the AM, I think we need an 8 or a highly technical 6 more because you would expect Zirkzee and Mount to contribute minutes and also look to promote youth.

What we need to do is to change the technical and physical make up of the team, this is not just an Amorim issue but we need to improve our ability to play through the press and to improve our own press whilst defending fast transitions well.
 
Giggsy13 said:
Bruno doesn’t care about what you want. Why would a player who is still capable of playing at a high level go to Saudi? He doesn’t strike me as someone who is motivated by money, he wants to win trophies.
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In that case I would prefer him to stay here. Hence why I don't want his head being turned by a club that'll offer half the amount.

The fact you seem to want him to go to a European club (the worst of the three options for us) is strange to me.
 
MadDogg said:
In that case I would prefer him to stay here. Hence why I don't want his head being turned by a club that'll offer half the amount.

The fact you seem to want him to go to a European club (the worst of the three options for us) is strange to me.
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It’s not what I want, but the player may want it given he’s 30 and would like an opportunity to win major trophies. It’s not happening here anytime soon. I would not be shocked if/when the transfer demand comes in.
 
Giggsy13 said:
Bruno doesn’t care about what you want. Why would a player who is still capable of playing at a high level go to Saudi? He doesn’t strike me as someone who is motivated by money, he wants to win trophies.
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Bruno doesn't care about what we want, so we also doesn't really need to care about what he wants. I simply want him to go to the highest bidder, and that would most likely be the Saudi clubs. The club is the worst situation it has been in since the relegated days. Can we really afford to care about the wants of a single player right now, even if that is Bruno?
 
If the club can get 100m for a 30 year old player, it would be madness not to take that offer especially with our financial situation.

But I don't think Amorim would want to sell his countryman.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
Bruno doesn't care about what we want, so we also doesn't really need to care about what he wants. I simply want him to go to the highest bidder, and that would most likely be the Saudi clubs. The club is the worst situation it has been in since the relegated days. Can we really afford to care about the wants of a single player right now, even if that is Bruno?
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Football doesn’t work that way, the player has to agree as well.
 
Oscar Bonavena said:
If the club can get 100m for a 30 year old player, it would be madness not to take that offer especially with our financial situation.

But I don't think Amorim would want to sell his countryman.
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Every indication is that Bruno doesn’t want to go to the Saudi league. Bayern are losing out on Wirtz and may turn their focus to Bruno as a short term option.
 
mitChley said:
Love the man but the amount of money, at his age, with the current system, it seems a bit of a no brainer to sell. As long as the club actually spend it well.
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Correct. Bruno is our best player but even he doesn't fit the system. Not a 10, not a 6. He's crammed in because, again, our best player. If we can get good money and spend it well, do it. But I'll be sorry to see him go
 
Remember people, United sold the likes of Becks, Ronnie, Rooney etc. We will survive without Bruno. Hard to pass on 100mil.
 
If Bruno goes for 100 and garnacho for 60 we will have sold our entire forward line for
Antony - 40 ish?
Rashford - 40 ish
Sancho - whoever will pay his wages for the final year
McT -30
Martial - free
Rasmus - loan
Around 250-300 million there. Theoretically we then need to buy 4/5 more players and Bruno is probably the only one you couldnt really upgrade on in this moment in time...

As long as INEOS don't do a glazers with the Ronaldo money on us I can see us getting back into the groove with a few sensible upgrades across the board.

I think Garnacho is going to become a very good player but anyone who doesn't want to be here and to fight for the club can go. The chemistry in the squad and at the club is all wrong and something major needs to change asap. I'm not sure Amorim or INEOS are the right people to do that but no manager or owners are getting a league or a CL out of 95% of these players
 
Ali Dia said:
If Bruno goes for 100 and garnacho for 60 we will have sold our entire forward line for
Antony - 40 ish?
Rashford - 40 ish
Sancho - whoever will pay his wages for the final year
McT -30
Martial - free
Rasmus - loan
Around 250-300 million there. Theoretically we then need to buy 4/5 more players and Bruno is probably the only one you couldnt really upgrade on in this moment in time...

As long as INEOS don't do a glazers with the Ronaldo money on us I can see us getting back into the groove with a few sensible upgrades across the board.

I think Garnacho is going to become a very good player but anyone who doesn't want to be here and to fight for the club can go. The chemistry in the squad and at the club is all wrong and something major needs to change asap. I'm not sure Amorim or INEOS are the right people to do that but no manager or owners are getting a league or a CL out of 95% of these players
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In reality we won't get those prices.
 
I love the guy but where we’re at now it’s probably best for both parties that we part ways. Selling Bruno, Garnacho, Rashford, Sancho and Antony will bring in around £250 million and allow us to totally reset the squad. Would love to see Ederson and Wharton be brought in as midfielders as well as Cunha, Mbuemo and a striker (ideally Osimhen) That side would be far more physical and provide us with plenty of goal scorers to replace Bruno’s output
 
Ali Dia said:
If Bruno goes for 100 and garnacho for 60 we will have sold our entire forward line for
Antony - 40 ish?
Rashford - 40 ish
Sancho - whoever will pay his wages for the final year
McT -30
Martial - free
Rasmus - loan
Around 250-300 million there. Theoretically we then need to buy 4/5 more players and Bruno is probably the only one you couldnt really upgrade on in this moment in time...

As long as INEOS don't do a glazers with the Ronaldo money on us I can see us getting back into the groove with a few sensible upgrades across the board.

I think Garnacho is going to become a very good player but anyone who doesn't want to be here and to fight for the club can go. The chemistry in the squad and at the club is all wrong and something major needs to change asap. I'm not sure Amorim or INEOS are the right people to do that but no manager or owners are getting a league or a CL out of 95% of these players
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Martial?!
 
Where do these insane sell values come from? Feels like the Glazers' valuation of the club.

Bruno is a good player but is a 30 year old offensive midfielder with no big achievements so far. The few clubs that can pay more than 40M for him don't really need him.

Garnacho's main strength is his youth and his potential, both diminishing from 1-2 seasons ago. His scoring/assisting record isn't that impressive, has been benched in a 16th place team and comes with a lot of baggage. A 40M bid would be something to celebrate, let alone 60.

Rashford isn't exactly knocking it out of the park at Villa, is on huge wages and the club he wants to go can't afford him. A new loan is the likelier scenario. Same for Sancho as he's probably coming back for his final season (at least 5M are also coming back).

Antony and McTominay could be profitable, but there's a limited number of clubs that can pay a huge amount of money for them in their leagues.

That leaves Amad, Yoro and Mainoo as the rest of the players don't really have market value.
 
If we were to get £150m for him and Garnacho it’d be like winning the lottery, good riddance to the 2 of them

Not having to watch him whinging, diving and treating the ball like a hand grenade every week will be payment enough
 
bgoodall said:
Wait why would those things need to change after the season has ended and not sooner?
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You don't make changes like that in a week or a month. He is talking about changing the mentality withing the club from an organization that prioritizes marketing succes and revenue growth over sporting achivements to the opposite. Changing something like that takes time and it involves replacing a lot of people in different positions and it's not a change a manager can make, the change has to start at the top of the pyramid, the manager is only one part of the change.
 
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