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Can't believe we're back treading in quicksand. We never seem to learn from our past mistakes. It's been the same the last couple transfer windows.
 

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Yep. I hate Woodward but he's right not to pay more than 45m. We're in this mess exactly because we squandered incredible amount of money on dross and mediocrity. Sporting are clearly trying to con us.
100% agreed. Another case of trying to exploit us.

I was going to stop watching us if we didn't buy a midfielder but this is too much.
 

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It's the fact that all the negotiating is going on this far into January. You don't have to be in the transfer window to negotiate a signing. It's clear there's no fecking plan because if there was, we'd have sorted this signing way in advance of January.
I think the midfield crisis is forcing through a transfer that was earmarked for next summer. Point is, Woodward likes to lowball and it just pisses people off. When you structure deals to give some cash up front, potentially beefed up with clauses like the ballon d’or, champions league, man utd twitter getting x followers you just make people think youre taking the piss. Should have slapped 50m cash take it or leave it in front of them to
Coax them into the deal. Theyll just hold out for 65 now
 

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if we overpay we lose, if we don't sign a midfielder we lose too ... either way, Woodward will come out of this as the loser in the eyes of many people. Don't get me wrong, I hate the man as much as most other fans do - but he simply can't win this one.
 

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we massively paid for Maguire. 80M for a non WC CB is ridiculous. Bruno is worth 68m euros especially since we're so light in CM. If we wanted to play this game then maybe we shouldn't have dismantled the midfield and brought no one to replace them as we did.
Firstly he is not a CM . We have no guarantee about his success here . Fecking Dost scores 25 + goals in that league. The fact he is already 25 and is paid a record fee means there is huge pressure to perform right away.

When was the last time an attacker came from that league and became an instant success in epl? Yes, we got Nani and Ronaldo about 13 years back. The latest I can think is Jimenez who himself is a midtable striker at best. Sporting are just getting desperate and they wanted to sell as high as possible.
 

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if we overpay we lose, if we don't sign a midfielder we lose too ... either way, Woodward will come out of this as the loser in the eyes of many people. Don't get me wrong, I hate the man as much as most other fans do - but he simply can't win this one.
True, that's what happens when you mess up the summers recruitment.
 

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And we overpaid later for Maguire, paying 80m after refusing to pay 60m for him the previous summer so what.

We'll waste time trying to lower the price then we'll pay what they exactly want when we discover the window is about to shut down and we haven't paid anyone, and Woodward will look like a genius, while in fact he's just a crap negotiator.
Maguire is a whole different case. While I agree we should have got him for 60, his success was at least guaranteed to a good extent.

This guy is not worth that amount. We got to start at some point and stop paying huge money for average players from smaller leagues.
 

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We are in dire need of 2 midfielders and we are haggling over 5m or so again. Great job Woodward. Either that or we are delaying the deal so that if we lose by 5-0 or so, that deal is going to be used to appease the fans. #fanmanipulation
 

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if we overpay we lose, if we don't sign a midfielder we lose too ... either way, Woodward will come out of this as the loser in the eyes of many people. Don't get me wrong, I hate the man as much as most other fans do - but he simply can't win this one.
As long as he continues to be so inept at his job obviously he's going to lose.
 

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If we do then I’ll completely agree with you but I’ve given my opinion on this transfer already and what I think is happening.

We never intended to buy a midfielder this month and have our targets for the summer window, targets which are in no way available now. Those plans have possibly changed, somewhat reluctantly, due to McTominay’s injury at the end of December and Pogba’s recurrent injury in early January which required surgery and sees both players out for months.

Fernandes is on the market and Sporting are actively trying to sell him, it's pretty obvious that we don't view him as the answer to all out midfield problems. I'd wage a good bet that it was Sporting who have approached and offered him to us and I think our response has been measured. Yes, we need a midfielder. No, we do not view him as our number one target and as such he's a squad player long term for us. Therefore we're not interested in discussing marquee signing fees. We've set our valuation of him and our attitude is that for £45m + bonuses, he would represent value and it would be fair business to paper over immediate cracks and add strength in depth long term. We're not going to piss about agreeing a transfer up to £70m+ because the club have decided we're not that desperate and in a month or two we could conceivably have McTominay, Pogba, Fred, Matic and Periera all fit and available which would tie us over to the summer when we can look to spend £70m+ on our first choice targets.


In short, we view him as a squad player long term and are not interested in paying the marquee prices Sporting are quoting. Rightly so.
I honestly don't care that much whether we signed him specifically or not, if we think he's overpriced we should start monitoring other targets so that if they are so reluctant on decreasing the price we don't end up wasting time and money for nothing. At the moment we should start scouting other midfielders available to pay and even engage in negotiation with them. At the moment all Sporting are seeing is we're desperate for a midfielder and look like we don't have other options so decided to elevate the price tag heavily knowing we'll end up paying with such circumstances. Just move on from him and check other options.

All that matters is us signing a midfielder this window, be it Bruno or anyone else, doesn't matter.
 
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if we overpay we lose, if we don't sign a midfielder we lose too ... either way, Woodward will come out of this as the loser in the eyes of many people. Don't get me wrong, I hate the man as much as most other fans do - but he simply can't win this one.
This is 100% the case.

In my opinion 65m should never be the norm for a guy playing in Portgual, I hope we back out at that price and stop inflating the market. Obviously no other club thinks he’s worth that.
If Sporting won’t budge despite being desperate to sell, move on to another target.
 

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Honest question: do other clubs have this much drama, in their transfer windows? Do we not see their drama because we mostly care/are informed about our own transfers? Or is sports media always making it sound much more dramatic because we are United and they are used to selling papers/getting clicks by giving us over-the-top attention?

For feck's sake, we are trying to transfer Bruno Fernandes, not Neymar, and it feels like some cheap Venezuelan telenovela, with Woodward's half-brother (that he didn't know of until recently) marrying his second cousin who used to be lover of Bruno's agent, and is now cheating on her husband with Sporting's director of football. And that is the part we know, more to come in the future episodes…
 

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Honest question: do other clubs have this much drama, in their transfer windows? Do we not see their drama because we mostly care/are informed about our own transfers? Or is sports media always making it sound much more dramatic because we are United and they are used to selling papers/getting clicks by giving us over-the-top attention?
Bayern Munich is pretty crazy, especially because they themselves love to talk so much. Tons of drama all the time.
 

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Firstly he is not a CM . We have no guarantee about his success here . Fecking Dost scores 25 + goals in that league. The fact he is already 25 and is paid a record fee means there is huge pressure to perform right away.

When was the last time an attacker came from that league and became an instant success in epl? Yes, we got Nani and Ronaldo about 13 years back. The latest I can think is Jimenez who himself is a midtable striker at best. Sporting are just getting desperate and they wanted to sell as high as possible.
He can play both as a no 10 or a CM, so yes, he is an attacking CM. That means nothing though. The reality is that Ole wants him, that Manchester United had been busy dismantling CM or allowing midfielders to go on free and that we've now got a squad that struggles to make it to top 5. Now we can either choose to keep the money in the bank while lingering to obscurity or else we actually start acting like a big club and buy players. A big club is judged as so from what he does on the pitch and not how much money it rakes to its shareholders.
 

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Honest question: do other clubs have this much drama, in their transfer windows? Do we not see their drama because we mostly care/are informed about our own transfers? Or is sports media always making it sound much more dramatic because we are United and they are used to selling papers/getting clicks by giving us over-the-top attention?

For feck's sake, we are trying to transfer Bruno Fernandes, not Neymar, and it feels like some cheap Venezuelan telenovela, with Woodward's half-brother (that he didn't know of until recently) marrying his second cousin who used to be lover of Bruno's agent, and is now cheating on her husband with Sporting's director of football. And that is the part we know, more to come in the future episodes…
haha well said.
 

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This is 100% the case.

In my opinion 65m should never be the norm for a guy playing in Portgual, I hope we back out at that price and stop inflating the market. Obviously no other club thinks he’s worth that.
If Sporting won’t budge despite being desperate to sell, move on to another target.
The window will be closed by the time we even try for another one knowing us. Besides, we're in no position to pretend to be the big man. We're not the powerhouse we once were with an average squad that is in desperate need of renovation. If we want the "bigger" names we have to pay up. If we don't want to pay the big fees then maybe our scouting department should do their job properly and unearth a gem.
 

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This is 100% the case.

In my opinion 65m should never be the norm for a guy playing in Portgual, I hope we back out at that price and stop inflating the market. Obviously no other club thinks he’s worth that.
If Sporting won’t budge despite being desperate to sell, move on to another target.
What new target? We needed an entire summer to buy 3 players, 2 of which were massively overpriced and are massively overrated. If things follow the trend we're currently following then we'll probably add a CM by 2023-2024 the latest. Meanwhile we keep losing players but don't worry.....there's money in the bank or whatever.
 

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Waiting for the press to link us with a player in same position to put more pressure on Sporting. Thats the next stage.
 

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Looking like this one is going to be a usual Woodward / Judge balls up. This club is so depressing.
The Judge-Woodward duo are resistant to learning.
The dissolution with some fans is crazy

How, just how has this got anything to do with Judge,Woodward

They’re not the ones upping the price?

You got to negotiate you cannot just accept any price the selling club wants at the drop of a hat, we’ll be taken for mugs
 

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Can't believe we're back treading in quicksand. We never seem to learn from our past mistakes. It's been the same the last couple transfer windows.
What do you want us to do? It’s more Man Utd tax. Spurs would land this guy for £50m. When it’s United the selling club sticks another £10-15m on the price. This is partly Woodward’s doing by overpaying for players in the past, but it’s not going to get better if we keep doing it. We need to draw a line in the sand on valuation here, and if Sporting say no then walk away. They’re taking the piss, they’re not getting €80m for this guy, from anyone. They know we’re desperate and they know we have a history of overpaying. If this is where they want to stand then they can keep him, sell him for half that in the summer.
 

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I didn’ say he was ‘so impressive’. I said ‘in the 10/15 mins, I liked what I saw of him’. There’s a difference.
Ok, what did he do in that 10-15 mins? Barely noticed him except that scuffed shot.
 

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Didn't we talk about 80 million for this guy last summer?
We certainly need a midfield player. It doesn't matter if it's Fernandes or not.
 

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After this horrendous saga we will finally get him for about £60-65m and he'll end up being bang average. You can almost see it coming.

Everyday it goes on it seems he becomes a better player with our fans than he actually is. An improvement on what we have but we aren't going to turn into world beaters with him. Hope peot realise this. Banging in goals in Portugal is much different to the PL.
 

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Maguire is a whole different case. While I agree we should have got him for 60, his success was at least guaranteed to a good extent.

This guy is not worth that amount. We got to start at some point and stop paying huge money for average players from smaller leagues.
Is it the case though? He seems a slight upgrade over Smalling whose rated at 15m max
 

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The dissolution with some fans is crazy

How, just how has this got anything to do with Judge,Woodward

They’re not the ones upping the price?

You got to negotiate you cannot just accept any price the selling club wants at the drop of a hat, we’ll be taken for mugs
We are already, that's the issue. But with them at the helm, everyone can do it. Our transfers since Fergie have been disasters, rightly so and not only the targets, but the manner as well. To blame are both of them and our managers, which goes back ot both of them and the club again for allowing it.
 

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If he is so desperate to come why the feck did he recently sign a new contract? Higher salary obviously but huge negative in terms of getting a move.
 

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After this horrendous saga we will finally get him for about £60-65m and he'll end up being bang average. You can almost see it coming.

Everyday it goes on it seems he becomes a better player with our fans than he actually is. An improvement on what we have but we aren't going to turn into world beaters with him. Hope peot realise this. Banging in goals in Portugal is much different to the PL.
pros and cons. Ive seen some quality set pieces from him and some rifled finishes from in and around the box. Dead balls and getting shots is fine but its other areas id worry about like fitness and if he can adapt to not getting 8 touches of the ball in the final third without being closed down
 

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All this Bruno talk has really driven United's social media engagements. They'll love that on the next investor call. Job done.
 

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pros and cons. Ive seen some quality set pieces from him and some rifled finishes from in and around the box. Dead balls and getting shots is fine but its other areas id worry about like fitness and if he can adapt to not getting 8 touches of the ball in the final third without being closed down
From what I've seen and admittedly I'm not an expert fitness won't be any kind of problem
 
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