Bruno Guimaraes

If we think we're on the cusp of winning the PL next season I'd say yes, splunk whatever it takes to bring in the other Bruno, but as his age I have my doubts about the wisdom of it. We need a 6 much more than an 8 and if we're going to spend 80m on a 8 it seems less than likely that we'll get the 6 we really need.
 
Great player but will be very expensive in terms of fee and wages, the club will have to consider if he is worth it, for me he isn't worth it, unless the deal is a market opportunity (low fee for example).

We are still building for the future and we need younger CMs and also we need to strengthen other key areas, Bruno G is one of the best holding midfielders in the league, but his cost is prohibitive, if we were already competitive and we just needed one player I wouldn't mind breaking the bank for him, but as it stands, financially speaking, he will not be a good option.
 
RedC said:
Brazilian midfielders have a knack of lasting well into their 30s. Resale value isn't the most important thing for every transfer.
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I'm not sure how the careers of some other Brazilian midfielders tell us anything about this one. The counter-argument is that plenty of Brazilians have headed back to Brazil or to China/Saudi before they reached their 30s. You might as well tell me about the longevity of players with brown eyes for all the relevance it has.

That aside, it's not about resale value. We're not a selling club but there is only so much in the budget and we need three midfielders and two fullbacks before we can properly compete. If we could get him for a reasonable price then yes it's a no brainer but if it's going to be 70m -100m then it's too much money that would be better spent elsewhere imo.
 
Withnail said:
I'm not sure how some other Brazilian Midfielders tell us anything about this one. The counter-argument is that plenty of Brazilians have headed back to Brazil or to China/Saudi before they reached their 30s. You might as well tell me about the longevity of players with brown eyes for all the relevance it has.

That aside, it's not about resale value. We're not a selling club but there is only so much in the budget and we need three midfielders and two fullbacks before we can properly compete. If we could get him for a reasonable price then yes it's a no brainer but if it's going to be 70m -100m then it's too much money that would be better spent elsewhere imo.
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Yeah feck it, I'm not arsed signing one of the best midfielders in the league.
 
lex talionis said:
If we think we're on the cusp of winning the PL next season I'd say yes, splunk whatever it takes to bring in the other Bruno, but as his age I have my doubts about the wisdom of it. We need a 6 much more than an 8 and if we're going to spend 80m on a 8 it seems less than likely that we'll get the 6 we really need.
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Who's this 6 we really need? Anderson? Wharton?

Because pretty much every 6 in the world will cost less than those 2 and could easily be afforded alongside Bruno G.

70 - 80m for one of the world's best midfielders, and PL proven at that, is good business. There'll be plenty left for a quality DM and decent LB at least
 
daba said:
Instead of saying "We aren't signing this guy or Tonali" as if you're some all-knowing, higher power, time travelling transfer guru, you could rephrase it something like "I don't think we're signing X and Y because...".
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Start pointing this out for all posts like mine, or kindly shut up/put me on ignore if you are that thin-skinned.
 
Having an experienced midfield anchor might be a good thing. The position , like a CB needs a cool head and should be great under pressure.

Bruno G might be perfect for the role.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Where did you see that reported? When I googled it just now it said around 160k on most sources that popped up.

Casemiro is on 350k a week.

If we signed Bruno G then our offer would almost certainly be in line with Mbeumo and Cunha which is under between 150 and 200.
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In all honesty, I've seen it posted here, on this very thread.
 
croadyman said:
He's not too old, this is getting ridiculous now
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Unless he’s a freak of nature, we’ve got 4/5 years out of him for 70m, with a sharp fitness decline around age 30 onwards.

You could say for 70m we’re getting 2 of his best years before it starts to fall apart
 
croadyman said:
He's not too old, this is getting ridiculous now
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Ratcliffe suggested the choice of the players signed by United in the past few seasons had not always been the most prudent. As an example he pointed to Casemiro’s purchase for €60m the previous August from Real Madrid. The midfielder was 30 years old and was given a four-year contract of about £350,000 a week.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/17/jim-ratcliffe-critical-of-manchester-united-recruitment-and-plans-shake-up#:~:text=Sir Jim Ratcliffe questioned Manchester,he views as questionable recruitment.


INEOS dont sign players over 26. Its a wise policy.
 
AdNani said:
Why is that? Because he’s inferior in almost every way.
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Exactly, why would you choose a player who is nowhere near as good. Ask newcastle fans options on the pair of them
 
Bruno can play 6 and 8 so it's a great signing.

Baleba and Guimaraes for 6
Guimaraes and Mainoo for 8
 
AnotherLondonManc said:
Who's this 6 we really need? Anderson? Wharton?

Because pretty much every 6 in the world will cost less than those 2 and could easily be afforded alongside Bruno G.

70 - 80m for one of the world's best midfielders, and PL proven at that, is good business. There'll be plenty left for a quality DM and decent LB at least
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Your not going to get BrunoG for less than 100mil+. Newcastle manager said that last week on sky sports. They don't want to sell. Only a oil state could afford that deal for a guy who's turning 29.
 
AnotherLondonManc said:
Who's this 6 we really need? Anderson? Wharton?

Because pretty much every 6 in the world will cost less than those 2 and could easily be afforded alongside Bruno G.

70 - 80m for one of the world's best midfielders, and PL proven at that, is good business. There'll be plenty left for a quality DM and decent LB at least
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Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't see Guimaraes as a Casemiro replacement, which you seem to agree with it. The obvious hole we have to fill with the best possible DM we can afford, which is impacted by what's left after we spend on a 8 and a LB (Shaw is grinding down) and a RB (Dalot is a weak link, though a great squad man). I can't tell you exactly what either of Anderson, Baleba or Wharton will cost us, but it's safe to say that it will be at least 70m.

And on another thread, although it's gone quiet over the last two weeks, where posters have been raging about the need to bring in a LW due to doubts about Cunha and Dorgu. I'm not in that camp but for the sake of argument let's go along with a new LW as well. Some argue for a CB (doubts about the fitness of De Ligt and Martinez and then Harry's age) as well.

Guimaraes goes for no less than 70m. A proper 6 goes for no less than 70m. Upgrades at LB and RB probably at best go for 45m each. A proper LW goes for 70m. A decent CB goes for these days goes for 60m.

That's roughly 350m, which we're obviously not going to spend. We'll get some of that back with the sale of Rashford and possibly Ugarte...figure 40m between the two of them, although I don't see anyone forking out 10m for Ugarte. So let's round that down to 300m.

I'm not opposed to bringing in Guimaraes, though I would be concerned about Mainoo's future at OT if we superseded him with Guimaraes. But we need to not eff this up by skimping on the position we really need covered.
 
I see much confusion regarding Gordie Bruno's age.

He is 28, turning 29 in November this yeas.
 
I see posters on here afraid of the 80 mil price tag with a 28 year old. If he can give us six good years holding the line, think he may be worth it.
 
ThinkTank@Cafe said:
I see some ligic here.

£70 m for a seasoned PL veteran at his prime + £40m for an exceptional young talent as understudy - total £110m vs £110m for Tonali (24-26 y.o. established player).
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Yeah I could definitely get on board with that idea
 
I know he's someone who divides opinion, however Roades made a very valid point about needing to sign him and more defensively minded midfielder too.
 
Can see another Isak situation here. Can he make the step up to a big club with added expectations? Or is he at his level right now?
 
Ole'sattheWheel said:
Can see another Isak situation here. Can he make the step up to a big club with added expectations? Or is he at his level right now?
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Yeah without a doubt he can, however suspect the price combined with his age will prove prohibitive
 
We need at least two midfielders so would love to have him as long as the other CM(s) is a young player.

He’s not exactly a player with a lot of mileage so I worry a bit less him being 28 as with someone like Varane when we signed him.

One of the few all round CMs in Europe so would definitely be a great signings.
 
Next season will start later due to the World Cup. There's also a new 3 week international break in Sept-Oct. Then there's the usual November international break.

I'm sorry to break it to everyone but...

Bruno Guimaraes will be 29 years OLD by the time we've played just 9 league games next season. :o:wenger:
 
lex talionis said:
If we think we're on the cusp of winning the PL next season I'd say yes, splunk whatever it takes to bring in the other Bruno, but as his age I have my doubts about the wisdom of it. We need a 6 much more than an 8 and if we're going to spend 80m on a 8 it seems less than likely that we'll get the 6 we really need.
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hes 28? for 60 mil thats a good price for me, we need to cement our top 3/4 next year maybe with a cheeky title push, I think thats too soon with being in Europe.
The year after bring in reinforcements, they have him Kobbie and maybe our bruno to learn from, I think it would be one of the signings of the season value wise
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Next season will start later due to the World Cup. There's also a new 3 week international break in Sept-Oct. Then there's the usual November international break.

I'm sorry to break it to everyone but...

Bruno Guimaraes will be 29 years OLD by the time we've played just 9 league games next season. :o:wenger:
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How old is Casemiro?
 
SirScholes said:
How old is Casemiro?
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Oh I'm not against signing him at all.

He's a great player, a genuine leader and also gives you a really unique commercial opportunity in selling advertising space on his walker.

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Pscholes18 said:
I see posters on here afraid of the 80 mil price tag with a 28 year old. If he can give us six good years holding the line, think he may be worth it.
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Why would we take that chance when we can spend 80 million on someone with his best years ahead of him?

You hardly sound convinced yourself.
 
El Jefe said:
We need at least two midfielders so would love to have him as long as the other CM(s) is a young player.

He’s not exactly a player with a lot of mileage so I worry a bit less him being 28 as with someone like Varane when we signed him.

One of the few all round CMs in Europe so would definitely be a great signings.
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Yeah and if we could get in someone who could do the defensive side of things then it can work
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Why would we take that chance when we can spend 80 million on someone with his best years ahead of him?

You hardly sound convinced yourself.
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Like Antony or Sancho? Guimaraes is as safe a bet as you can get if you want instant improvement which we need. Enough time and place for younger players to develop besides him
 
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