Couldn't have said it any better
Bruno Guimaraes
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Imagine we sign him and Matheus Fernandes. The commentators would get so confused with 2 Bruno’s and 2 Fernandes
For 80 million?
It’s not impossible you could get Anderson for that. Then you have Wharton, Baleba who might not be as good now but could well be in the future.
Then you have Tonali, Fernandes, Sangaré, Smit off the top of my head I’d rather go for. Most of which would come a lot cheaper.
There’s a pretty substantial pool of 8s out there that we can draw from, why we’d use such a substantial amount from the budget for Guimaraes at this point in his career when there are so many options for this role makes no sense to me.
I am a huge fan of Tonali but suspect Anderson is gonna be City bound after the World Cup. I only picked Guimaraes as given a choice of the Newcastle duo he gets the edge because of the leadership of Casemiro he could offer too.
Or maybe we get the Chelsea Hazard rather than the Real Madrid one.
I'm almost certain this won't happen, due to the price and his age. This one is coming from the agent, probably fishing for a new contract.
The more I think about it, the more I'm open to bringing in BrunoG...but I'm not there yet.
Newcastle will demand a massive sum for him, probably closer to 100m than 70m. Let's split the difference and call it 85m GBP. We need depth in midfield so there's no issue with BrunoG on that basis, but I would want to make sure we bring in proper 6 first. Not necessarily in time, but in priority. BrunoG would be our 8 otherwise we're playing him out of his optimal position, which at this point in his career makes little sense. And for those who would reply that BrunoG has been playing at a 6 for Newcastle my rejoinder is that Tonali is the 6 for Newcastle. Can BrunoG do a job at 6? Without a question, but he is best used as an 8, not a 6.
We literally have no one (yes, I am aware of Ugarte) can fill the void Casemiro leaves behind. That has to get sorted out first. Do the 6, even keeping Ugarte, but know that a proper 6 is going to cost the club around 80m, possibly 100m. If we have another 80m for Guimaraes to usurp Mainoo, great. But if we're going to spend 180m for two midfielders how much left are we really going to have for two fullbacks (the need is great), before we even get to the discussion of a LW that so many here want, as well as a CB which I have a feeling we're going to need as well?
I completely agree with you that we need to find a 6 first. The market for a holding midfielder/DM seems much more challenging than that if you’re looking for someone of the box-to-box/playmaker mould.
Maybe that’s why the club would seemingly to insist with Baleba despite his struggles this season.
Andy Mitten's said in the TOTD that he hasn't heard anything about our interest in Guimaraes from his sources (doesn't mean there can't be genuine interest, just that he hasn't heard it). But he did say he knows the club has been following Tonali for a while but Newcastle are reluctant to sell plus there are reservations about his gambling issues.
Not for me to figure out. I certainly don't assume that those are the only 2 suitable DMs in the world though.
haha Surely mount has this coveredOh I'm not against signing him at all.
He's a great player, a genuine leader and also gives you a really unique commercial opportunity in selling advertising space on his walker.
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No need to mention Ugarte hes worse than playing no one.
if its closer to 100 than 70 then im also out, im going off the reported/rumours of 60mil
It's so funny how often this classic cop-out answer gets trotted out by people who clearly have limited knowledge of what they've been talking about.
"I'm completely ignorant. Other people must know more than me. But I'm going to express a strong opinion anyway even though I'm completely ignorant."
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Not convinced he will work in a midfield 2 with Kobbie.
Guimares probably wouldn’t which is why we need at least two top quality midfielders brought in to start whilst Mainoo would be back up
Exactly
60 odd mil seems a weirdly specific amount, is there a release clause for no CL we're not privy to?
Just like everyone else here, I've never run a football club, which requires a lot of bluffing. If we assume Anderson is out, and I'm not ready to assume but let's go ahead and assume it, our answer at 6 is Baleba. If we can do Baleba for 80 instead of the insane 105 that Brighton demanded last summer, I just don't see how our warchest can afford BrunoG and address the two fullback positions.
Pretty embarrassing getting this riled by someone merely stating the obvious
Yes. Brilliant at sitting and box to box. Actually similar to Casemiro in his Utd form. Covers the grass, an inspirational leader. Get him.
I was stating the obvious about the poster.
I don't think you are very good at recognising if someone is "riled up" - unless you are referring to your own needless interjection?...
Quite right. Only professional football scouts should really be allowed to voice an opinion as strong as 'there's probably a cheaper alternative to Anderson'.
I assumed this was a relatively safe position to take, but evidently you need proof.
Next time, I'll be sure to google top DM prospects and copy/paste a random name to hide my ignorance. As if that would add anything of value to the discussion. Mug
I've got Sanchez ptsd vibes.
I hear his knees are going
We could chant Bruno Fernandes over and over and cover 3 players, efficient
6 more years? Are you mad? You don't know about magic number 30? 30 is when football career ends. So, he can give us exactly one season and 3 months.
I will remind you how football years work on Caf.
18-20 - kids. Don't count as serious options to be first choice.
21-25. Young players. Still developing.
26. Prime year.
27-30. Too old. In decline. Short term options.
30+ - Dead
Anderson is already the best obviously available CM on the market this summer.
You might as well be saying:
"Aliens obviously exist. Some professional astronomer fella with a telescope can surely find them easy enough. Here's some pics of a documentary I found on google called ET which shows them in it".
PS @Lennon7 - the above comment from AnotherLondonManc is what "riled" looks like.
Nah I’m just backing the other poster because it’s getting a little tiring seeing posters be so fecking rude to others for making a statement as broad as “I’m sure we can find better value in the market” being ridiculed for not making their own scouting list to back it up
Conversely do you have your own analysis on why that isn’t the case? Have you assessed midfield candidates in Europe and conclusively decided that there are no other options but to spend £100m+? Care to share or you just being a nob for the sake of it?
Just caught up with the latest on talk of the devils. Certainly feels like this isn't a goer from our side but things can change.
That amount came from a Brazilian newspaper. I wouldn't trust it. His "market value" maybe somewhere around £75mil for example. But I do not think he will be allowed to leave for less than £100mil.
Newcastle don't want to sell. They are backed by a oil state sovereign wealth fund and like with Isak they will hold out for as much money as possible if they are forced to.
If Wharton etc all are being priced at £80-£100mil. They aren't the finished article like BG.
It sounds like, this is agent driven to try to get his client out of Newcastle. Which will piss Newcastle off and cost an prospect buyer a premium. Don't get me wrong, I'd love him at Utd. But not at £100mil transfer fee.
9 goals in 23 matches in the Premier League this season, from midfield. 4 assists. Very nice numbers. 2 pens.
Perhaps, but also this is coming out with their CL football in jeopardy, so I'm wondering if they're firing it up early knowing there's some sort of clause if they don't make it.
That doesn’t get them out of a PSR hole though.
Let's break this down, eh?
AnotherLondonManc actually initially "ridiculed" lex talionis for posting the below comment without making their own scouting list to back it up...
AnotherLondonManc insinuated that lex talionis had not done their scouting, because lex's comment suggested the only "quality" 6es of the kind United would "need" would cost as much as "Anderson" and "Wharton". AnotherLondonManc's comment indicated that had lex talionis done their scouting, they would know that United could find the "quality 6" which they "need" for less than Anderson and Wharton would cost.
When AnotherLondonManc adds that "pretty much every 6 in the world will cost less than those 2", he is putting forward that he must have a pretty good knowledge of who every 6 in the world must be. But, conversely, in his reply to me, ALM rather admits that far from having this knowledge, he is entirely ignorant.
Ultimately. AnotherLondonManc indicates that lex talionis' comment is daft, because if lex talionis knew as much as him he would have known you can find 6es of the "quality" of Anderson or Wharton able to meet United's "need", who won't cost as much as Anderson or Wharton. So if it's fair for AnotherLondonManc to ridicule another poster for supposedly thinking that the scouting list of "quality" DMs United "need" is only two expensive options long (in Anderson and Wharton), then it seems in turn fair for me to then ask on what basis AnotherLondonManc has come to his conclusion, and who these options with the quality United need are who would cost less.
On the subject of posters being "so fecking rude", the only poster who resorted to direct insults in this exhange was AnotherLondonManc in referring to me as a "Mug". And the only poster who used any swear words, was... erm... you...
I have actually "assessed midfield candidates in Europe", with a main focus on 6es/DMs, and shared my analysis and conclusions on here, e.g.:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/centre-midfielder-transfer-links.488776/post-34033035
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/centre-midfielder-transfer-links.488776/post-33997872
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sandro-tonali.491274/post-34110158
And in recent weeks I've watched 2+ matches of the following players who have shown up well in my research in to relatively defensive central midfielders, or have been cited by others on here, with a focused eye on them: Chema Andres, Burger, Avdullahu, Nmecha, Martel, Manzambi, Locatelli, Thuram, Manú Koné, Ederson, Pape Gueye, Agoumé, Tchouameni, Pablo Barrios, Aleksandar Stankovic, Mamadou Sangaré, Anderson, Ampadu, Janelt, Baleba, Scott, Mateus Fernandes, Yarmoliuk.
As I've said before based on my assessments, Anderson is the best available option who can perform a 6-type role. His stats already fit the criteria, he's met these criteria in the PL, and he's 23 and so not even fully at his peak yet. The only other players who I don't think would be a significant downgrade on Casemiro immediately who if rumours are to be believed might not be totally impossible, would be Tchouameni and Locatelli. Possibly Valverde, but he's also not so much a 6. But even if doable all would likely cost similar overall amounts to whatever Anderson will go for.
The only more budget option I found in my analysis who I think might bring enough of the qualities United need from a starting Casemiro replacement is Wouter Burger, albeit he's more of an 8 than a 6, and I've also said that I would still wish to add a more sure-thing midfielder in the summer along with him (in case he doesn't fully adapt, and he's also not a totally complete player). There are a few other possibly cheaper 6/DM options who I also quite like, but only as prospects/back-ups/initial rotation options, as opposed to having the "quality" and preparedness to do what United "need" and immediately replace Casemiro as a key starter (eg Stankovic, Chema, Mateus Fernandes if you count him as a 6, possibly Siltanen and Dragojevic though I've not seen them live yet).
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You know that meme where the guy walks in with the boxes of pizza and everything is on fire and people are losing their minds yeah?
Financial rules are changing this summer for PL clubs. Switching over to SCR so clubs spend 85% of revenue on wages, transfer fees and agent fees.
Also need rollover spending rule. If your below 85% for two years you can carry additional 10% headroom so spend 95% without financial penalties.
PL rejected anchoring which would have limited spending to the lowest earning club
You think we should sign Donald Glover?
To spend well over 150 million pounds on Woltemade, Elanga and Wissa and not reach C.L guarantee that Newcastle need to sell players