Bruno Guimaraes

Let's break this down, eh?

AnotherLondonManc actually initially "ridiculed" lex talionis for posting the below comment without making their own scouting list to back it up...



AnotherLondonManc insinuated that lex talionis had not done their scouting, because lex's comment suggested the only "quality" 6es of the kind United would "need" would cost as much as "Anderson" and "Wharton". AnotherLondonManc's comment indicated that had lex talionis done their scouting, they would know that United could find the "quality 6" which they "need" for less than Anderson and Wharton would cost.



When AnotherLondonManc adds that "pretty much every 6 in the world will cost less than those 2", he is putting forward that he must have a pretty good knowledge of who every 6 in the world must be. But, conversely, in his reply to me, ALM rather admits that far from having this knowledge, he is entirely ignorant.

Ultimately. AnotherLondonManc indicates that lex talionis' comment is daft, because if lex talionis knew as much as him he would have known you can find 6es of the "quality" of Anderson or Wharton able to meet United's "need", who won't cost as much as Anderson or Wharton. So if it's fair for AnotherLondonManc to ridicule another poster for supposedly thinking that the scouting list of "quality" DMs United "need" is only two expensive options long (in Anderson and Wharton), then it seems in turn fair for me to then ask on what basis AnotherLondonManc has come to his conclusion, and who these options with the quality United need are who would cost less.



On the subject of posters being "so fecking rude", the only poster who resorted to direct insults in this exhange was AnotherLondonManc in referring to me as a "Mug". And the only poster who used any swear words, was... erm... you...



I have actually "assessed midfield candidates in Europe", with a main focus on 6es/DMs, and shared my analysis and conclusions on here, e.g.:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/centre-midfielder-transfer-links.488776/post-34033035
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/centre-midfielder-transfer-links.488776/post-33997872
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sandro-tonali.491274/post-34110158

And in recent weeks I've watched 2+ matches of the following players who have shown up well in my research in to relatively defensive central midfielders, or have been cited by others on here, with a focused eye on them: Chema Andres, Burger, Avdullahu, Nmecha, Martel, Manzambi, Locatelli, Thuram, Manú Koné, Ederson, Pape Gueye, Agoumé, Tchouameni, Pablo Barrios, Aleksandar Stankovic, Mamadou Sangaré, Anderson, Ampadu, Janelt, Baleba, Scott, Mateus Fernandes, Yarmoliuk.

As I've said before based on my assessments, Anderson is the best available option who can perform a 6-type role. His stats already fit the criteria, he's met these criteria in the PL, and he's 23 and so not even fully at his peak yet. The only other players who I don't think would be a significant downgrade on Casemiro immediately who if rumours are to be believed might not be totally impossible, would be Tchouameni and Locatelli. Possibly Valverde, but he's also not so much a 6. But even if doable all would likely cost similar overall amounts to whatever Anderson will go for.

The only more budget option I found in my analysis who I think might bring enough of the qualities United need from a starting Casemiro replacement is Wouter Burger, albeit he's more of an 8 than a 6, and I've also said that I would still wish to add a more sure-thing midfielder in the summer along with him (in case he doesn't fully adapt, and he's also not a totally complete player). There are a few other possibly cheaper 6/DM options who I also quite like, but only as prospects/back-ups/initial rotation options, as opposed to having the "quality" and preparedness to do what United "need" and immediately replace Casemiro as a key starter (eg Stankovic, Chema, Mateus Fernandes if you count him as a 6, possibly Siltanen).
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I think someone's a little riled up. Yikes
 
I think it would be silly to pay 70m for him when he is turning 29 in a few months so will have no re-sale value and wont be a longterm solution, we should be looking for younger targets and not just going for the quick fix
 
Do you know that meme of the guy saying "Well, obviously"?

You do appear the kind of person who goes through life treating their ignorance as some kind of virtue.
:lol: It's hilarious that you think you can make assertions on my character based off of 3 caf posts.

Nobody's reading your essay, and nobody cares about drama between 2 random people on the Bruno G thread.

I'm sure you'll want the last word, so have it and clear up the thread for actual football discussion.
 
He is a good player.....should be at Arsenal though as he seems to love celebrating winning a throw in with the fans like he has won the world cup like half there side do. Find him annoying, that with the age and fee....no thanks personally, would much rather several other possible targets over him
 
Im not comfortable with 2 same names in the side its just weird you know what im saying?
 
To spend well over 150 million pounds on Woltemade, Elanga and Wissa and not reach C.L guarantee that Newcastle need to sell players
Let's hope they are forced to sell BrunoG or Tonali rather than their fringe players.
 
Just caught up with the latest on talk of the devils. Certainly feels like this isn't a goer from our side but things can change.
Yeah they didn't sound very optimistic apart from Baleba and Wharton, was hoping we might have got update about these eyebrow raising options from Spain
 
It's so funny how often this classic cop-out answer gets trotted out by people who clearly have limited knowledge of what they've been talking about.

"I'm completely ignorant. Other people must know more than me. But I'm going to express a strong opinion anyway even though I'm completely ignorant."

I was stating the obvious about the poster.

I don't think you are very good at recognising if someone is "riled up" - unless you are referring to your own needless interjection?...

Do you know that meme of the guy saying "Well, obviously"?

You do appear the kind of person who goes through life treating their ignorance as some kind of virtue.
You’re well on your way to a warning if you don’t stop with the attitude and needlessly caustic posts.
 
I think our recruitment has been VERY good if we can get him for 61m as reported then our rebuild is well underway.
 
Good player, but not really interested in paying the sort of figures quoted for a player who will be 29 soon.
 
Yeah they didn't sound very optimistic apart from Baleba and Wharton, was hoping we might have got update about these eyebrow raising options from Spain
Even Wharton I'd park. The most conviction I read was Tonali, funnily enough. Alongside Baleba of course.
 
Andy Mitten said on Talk of Devils podcast that he hasn't heard anything from Utd in relation to BrunoG and it's more likely it's his agent using Utds name to get BrunoG a improved contract at Newcastle
 
You sure? They sold that one guy for £135 mill or something like that.

They turned around and spent that and then some on Wissa, Woltemade and Elanga which is not far short of dumping it into a fire pit.

Current state of play for Newcastle is that they are very likely not going to have any sort of European football next year and this is compounded by the issue that even with one of the largest stadiums in the PL their revenue is still only around half of that of the top clubs so under squad cost ratio or whatever rules we are going with for next season they cannot spend. The whole reason they don't have Anderson is because PSR rules meant they needed to sell the best young player at their club for 35M to avoid breaching the rules and getting docked points and they are about to be back in a similar position this summer after dropping out of the CL.

To make matters worse, they have a host of players that need replacing this year with several first team regulars now in their mid thrties along the back line such as Trippier, Burn and Schar and they also want to upgrade on Pope. Wissa and Woltemade have flopped so they need a new striker and there is genuine concern that Joelinton is breaking down because his game is based entirely on his physicality and it is catching up to him after 5 years of charging around like a lunatic, Joelinton has no real value if his legs go.

The story that seems to be doing the rounds is that they recognize that in order to reset the squad they are going to have to sacrifice one of their star players and hope they do a better job of identifying replacements this summer than they did last. This is why you are seeing articles about the Tonali and Guimares camps lobbying to get a move now because they realize Newcastle are going to let one but not both of them go and they both want to be the lucky escapee. The problem with this is that the agents of both players are planting random stories all over the shop about the bargain prices Newcastle might accept and making up stories about clubs preparing bids. The reality is that Newcastle are unlikely to want to accept anything much short of 100M for either of them and for differing reasons neither is judged to be worth that by the potential bidders.
 
Im not comfortable with 2 same names in the side its just weird you know what im saying?
I feel the opposite. One Bruno has been immense for us. So, why not 2, or even 3 Bruno?

Is the plural of Bruno 'Bruno' (like naan) or 'Brunos'?

I want to see an entire first 11 of Bruno. Bruno on the left, Bruno on the right. A total Bruno delight.
 
I feel the opposite. One Bruno has been immense for us. So, why not 2, or even 3 Bruno?

Is the plural of Bruno 'Bruno' (like naan) or 'Brunos'?

I want to see an entire first 11 of Bruno. Bruno on the left, Bruno on the right. A total Bruno delight.
The plural of Brunonis Bruni.

On the first day of Christmas my DoF gave to me … ten Carla Bruni .. and a partridge in a pear tree.
 
The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that he’d be a perfect signing for us. I would take him and Baleba.

Baleba and Kobbie are young enough to accept that neither will start every game, but should still get enough games between them with European football next year.

Both would be able to learn a ton off Bruno G. He should still be able to give us 3-4 great years and by the time he’s done, the other two should be in a great spot to run our midfield.
 
Well I did say I wouldn't fully believe it until I heard it confirmed from Utd sources. The TOTD podcast pretty much poured cold water on the Brazilian stuff
 
Mitten was never going to confirm any interest unless the club wanted it out there anyway.
Well I think the fact he hadnt heard anything when he was recently up in Newcastle was very telling
 
I think he'd be a good signing at the best price for us. If he keeps his engine as long as our Bruno, he'd be a phenomenal buy. Premier league proven, a proper prick to have. We need a few like him and Martinez to set the standard for the rest of the players. That we aren't some soft touch you can easily get points against us.
 
I think he'd be a good signing at the best price for us. If he keeps his engine as long as our Bruno, he'd be a phenomenal buy. Premier league proven, a proper prick to have. We need a few like him and Martinez to set the standard for the rest of the players. That we aren't some soft touch you can easily get points against us.
He would definitely be a good signing, however once Mitten talked about interest in pessimistic way I wrote off any chance of us signing him now
 
He’s far better than Tonali. We’re (supposedly) going after the wrong newcastle midfielder.
 
Not every 28 year old just declines and gives pretty much zero resale value though which they seem to think
No they don't give a damn about resale value that's actually not how big Clubs operate what they seem to be mindful of and rightly so is the fact any big money signing should be good enough to warrant a starting spot atleast through out their initial contract length which tend to be a challenge when you spend big transfer fee and big wages on a player approaching 30's .
Not exactly a recipe for long term success .