We have good cop, bad cop. Bruno doesn't need an armband, others do.
Bruno's post match comments
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I just typed out a lengthy post to say exactly this, but you said it far more succinctly. Having numerous leaders in beneficial. The official captain doesn't much extra, except call the coin toss and hand out tickets for player's family and friends.
Not to be believed in my opinion, but Bruno stalling on a new contract we have offered is starting to do the rounds.
Maguire isnt a leader. He was the one playing everyone onside the other day. A leader would have been ensuring everyone held the line
Bruno's comments did not single out any player or a group of players (i.e Back four or Holding Midfielders) he kept saying "We cannot concede goals...etc We etc...".
Basically he is critical of the whole team as a unit (which includes him too).
Nothing wrong with what he said, any player giving a post match interview after a loss will say the same thing, they will use the word We and never single out any player publicly. They will also be honest and avoid making excuses and take collective responsibility as a team.
Basically he is critical of the whole team as a unit (which includes him too).
Nothing wrong with what he said, any player giving a post match interview after a loss will say the same thing, they will use the word We and never single out any player publicly. They will also be honest and avoid making excuses and take collective responsibility as a team.
He's here to 2025, I hardly think it a thing to worry about just yet and more so, when you actually read it's from (lol) the bleedin express of all rags.
Nothing controversial about that.
He's obviously right.
And I doubt Ole disagrees.
Hopefully he's pissed off as feck behind the scenes as well - and I think he may well be. Which is very good news for us - because, again, I doubt Ole disagrees.
He's obviously right.
And I doubt Ole disagrees.
Hopefully he's pissed off as feck behind the scenes as well - and I think he may well be. Which is very good news for us - because, again, I doubt Ole disagrees.
Don’t think he said anything wrong and reflected on a poor team performance.
Agreed, he certainly does know it!
Bruno is undoubtably Utd’s talisman and fair to say he’s saved Ole’s job. I’m not sure Bruno rates Ole as a manager and think by speaking out of line, he’s showing his frustration.
Definitely agree with you there. Although it would be challenging to diplomatically phase out a 80 mil defender. I feel Maguire is too reserved to have an authoritative on-field presence.
Is truth still allowed in England?
Good on him! Says it like it is.
Good on him! Says it like it is.
I still dont get why he hasnt been named captain. I understand it would hurt Maguire but everyone knows Maguire wears the armband but Bruno is the captain.
Haven't had a chance to listen to the video but scanning comments it doesn't sound like he named names, eg saying DDG was terrible he's admitting we were awful defensively and we were.
Had we conceded to 3 world class goals, he wouldn't be saying it, it was the quite simply pathetic manner we did it, having been 2-0 up
If it was a one off, dare I say like Allison, who isn't the world's best goalkeeper but on the whole fairly consistent, and with a make shift defence, again he probably wouldn't have said that
It's the way it keeps happening, and the manner in which it happened, that is so annoying just watching it- imagine if you're putting in the performances of the likes of Cavani and Bruno and keep seeing that rubbish served up.
I listened to Brunos podcast with United and his drive is clear. I wish we had more of that type. Cavani comes across the same and possibly Shaw and maybe Rashy. Which of the others are the same? You can see Bruno and Cavani getting after people on the pitch.
I'm sick of seeing the whole we must do better comments then the same pathetic showing next game
No I didn't think we were going to win the title but we had a chance- it's the way we keep dropping points through silly errors that's really irritating
What did Ole say out of interest? I switched off as soon as it was full time? Is Bruno having to call them out as the manager isn't?
Had we conceded to 3 world class goals, he wouldn't be saying it, it was the quite simply pathetic manner we did it, having been 2-0 up
If it was a one off, dare I say like Allison, who isn't the world's best goalkeeper but on the whole fairly consistent, and with a make shift defence, again he probably wouldn't have said that
It's the way it keeps happening, and the manner in which it happened, that is so annoying just watching it- imagine if you're putting in the performances of the likes of Cavani and Bruno and keep seeing that rubbish served up.
I listened to Brunos podcast with United and his drive is clear. I wish we had more of that type. Cavani comes across the same and possibly Shaw and maybe Rashy. Which of the others are the same? You can see Bruno and Cavani getting after people on the pitch.
I'm sick of seeing the whole we must do better comments then the same pathetic showing next game
No I didn't think we were going to win the title but we had a chance- it's the way we keep dropping points through silly errors that's really irritating
What did Ole say out of interest? I switched off as soon as it was full time? Is Bruno having to call them out as the manager isn't?
Jesus christ what a load of garbage
Bruno never singled out anyone. He said "we" everywhere, implying himself included. Fair fecks to the lad, who has tons of drive and desire not just to collect his wages but also win things. It is all about trophies for him and I appreciate and admire that. A true leader.
You've got to be joking. We threw away a 2-0 lead then a 3-2 lead due to glaring defensive errors. This season we have conceded the same amount of goals as Fulham, this is not the first time the defence has let us down.
Meanwhile, Bruno has more goals and assists than any other player in the league over the last 12 months.
Give your head a wobble.
I think Maguire would play better without the pressure of being captain tbh.
You might be right on that. Whilst I like Maguire, he didn't really earn the arm band either.
How is he speaking out of line by saying we didn't defend properly? Hasn't Maguire made similar comments? Rashford as well?
Didn't Ole say more or less the same after this game ("to have the ball between the post 3 times and to concede all 3 times is disappointing")?
Nothing to see here, and I don't know how you can derive that Bruno doesn't respect Ole from his interview at all.
EDIT: Before anyone asks me for proof
Maguire after Sheffield:
So is Maguire in on the coup then? This is something players do - admit when the team dropped the ball.
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Correct.
You win as a team and you lose as a team. Even if some mistakes can be individual.
He has 4.5 years left on his current one, plus an option to extend for a further year.
I meant frustrated at drawing the game and no one in particular and certainly not Ole.
Personally I don’t think anything Bruno said was wrong, and he didn’t name anyone. Bruno was obviously angry and he was right to speak out.
As said, I’m not sure how how he rates Ole, but I‘m positive he knows he’s made a big difference to Utd’s fortunes since his arrival.
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Based on what exactly?
Frustrated at losing the lead twice, and not anyone in particular or Ole’s management.
Don’t take the sun newspaper seriously
Bruno has been a great impact on this team and of course he's disappointed not to win. Our gap to City is now 5 points and it could be 8 by the time their played their game in hand. What's worse is, the teams below have caught up to us and we're looking at dropping down the order if we don't get our act together. We need to start winning games again and hope City lose points somewhere down the line because right now they seem untouchable. We still have an away game to play against City and it doesn't look good unless we play like we did against Southampton. In fact I liked the way we played against Everton too, we gave them space during their attack and they took advantage of it is all. We defend awfully during set pieces and we often don't close opponents down well and that's where we're leaking goals. Maguire and De Gea where awful against Everton and I sincerely hope Henderson makes a step forward quickly.
Everybody knows that Bruno has done more than we could ever expect for our attack. Nobody could say anything else.
At 2-0 against a good team like Everton, with good attacking players and imo one of the best tactical coaches out there, it was stupid, naive and hubris to play the way we did. The defence, and especially Maguire and DDG, were poor in those situations, absolutely. But at 2-0 you don’t play that high up with every single midfielder and AWB. At the first goal, Everton cruised through our midfield, Maguire was totally unprotected. There should have been 1-2 midfielders there to protect him and to defend.
Bruno said “it is impossible to concede a goal again, from a feee kick from half the pitch”. Im a bit disappointed with this as I think that is the wrong thinking. A game is always until the ref blows the whistle. Maybe also the reason why he was the only player who didn’t try to defend the free kick, but that’s clearly only speculations.
In the end, I think we lost this match mainly because of DDG’s performance and our naive tactics. Bruno definitely did his part, not saying anything else, but the team as a whole should not have left the two CBS and Shaw alone at 2-0. And Bruno should not make this kind of statements in media.
No I mean why do you think Bruno doesn't rate Ole as a manager.
That rating (or lack of) doesn't come from two results. I was curious as to what you'd seen over the year that Bruno has been here, that leads to that conclusion.
Nothing in particular, It’s just a gut feeling. There’s been several press reports of the two of them having words in the past, and while you can’t believe everything the press writes ....no smoke without fire.
Its all subjective, but there‘s no denying Bruno is key to anything Utd may achieve and he knows it.
well, I've heard both Gary Neville and Keno talk about some people not like losing and some people hating it. there's a difference. I think I remember Schmikes saying something similar way back in his early days
I think he will be gone come 2022, the guy is a born winner, he's not going to stick around where the club board and the "true red" fans are happy to just make do with ole in charge despite not being good enough to guide us to any meaningful success as long as we can achieve a top 4 spot every season season as if we are bloody Leicester city or spurs.
I feel we might have another player versus manager situation here. If OGS doesn't go, Bruno will take himself somewhere else.
Are you trying to make a point? Nothing fragile about having a B-class coach who cannot make a sub and organise our defence nor our attack.
some fans are so fragile.
next stage is to start saying he “should leave for the sake of his career”.
my point is to get a grip man.
All this nonsense about 'true red' fans is laughable.
some fans accept that rebuilding is a long term process. Other fans prefer to replace the coach every two years and hope that yeilds faster results.
We tried sacking 3 coaches in 5 years and that made things worse. Maybe instead of firing this coach after 2 years we see if 3-4 years works out better.
Come on, from day one most fans logically knew we won't do anything great with ole and 2 and half seasons on it still looks the same of one step forward and one step back, the fact that the last time we looked remotely like we might win something noteworthy was under a past it manager in mourinho just goes to show we are not making no so called progress under ole like so many fans have deluded themselves to believe.
No, making shit appointments of managers who either were never good enough, or in completely the wrong stage of their careers, is what made things worse, not sacking them.
Rebuilding jobs take 3 years but if there's no tangible improvement in results or performances year on year then only a total moron would stick with the same manager. If we finish this season on 60-something points, again, and bottle out of Europa and the FA cup, again, then what is left for Ole to suggest we stick with him? We're not going to suddenly become proper title contenders next season if we're still bottling everything this season. With a defence not even performing in the top half of the league and an attack that relies entirely on the output of one player.
Think you all need to realise that whoever is in charge nothing will change... Finish outside top 4 and the Glazers and Woodward will spend... Finish within and they won't spend as it's good enough.
This is a club mentality now throughout not a manager around can fix it.
This is a club mentality now throughout not a manager around can fix it.